| Time |
Nick |
Message |
| 13:34 |
tnb |
hi sarab |
| 13:34 |
sarab |
hey |
| 13:34 |
tnb |
This is Koha Project Day everyone! |
| 13:34 |
|
woo hoo! |
| 13:37 |
lloyd |
hehe |
| 13:37 |
tnb |
Hi Lloyd :) |
| 13:38 |
|
Are you on the channel for Koha Project Day? Or just dropping by? ;): |
| 13:38 |
|
hey owen :) |
| 13:38 |
jaron |
owen: heh |
| 13:40 |
lloyd |
I was actually looking for MJR |
| 13:41 |
|
what exactly is project day? :) |
| 13:41 |
tnb |
it's a day for anyone who would like to get involved in furthering the Koha Project to do so |
| 13:42 |
|
many work independently on their own Koha-related proejcts, but at least know others are around on the channel for feedback/support |
| 13:42 |
|
for instance, I'll be working on online help for Koha later today |
| 13:42 |
|
:) |
| 13:43 |
jaron |
tnb++ |
| 13:43 |
|
good_documentation++ |
| 13:43 |
tnb |
ha! yep :) |
| 13:43 |
lloyd |
ahhh |
| 13:43 |
tnb |
I'll be starting seriously on this around 12pm for anyone who wants to work with me |
| 13:44 |
|
;) |
| 13:44 |
lloyd |
well we've just paid the bill to develop get 3tier biblio records |
| 13:44 |
|
apart from that, i've got nothing :d |
| 13:45 |
jaron |
lloyd: what's that? |
| 13:45 |
dewey |
that is the only case though |
| 13:45 |
tnb |
Lloyd, what organization are you with? |
| 13:46 |
lloyd |
well i'm with west suffolk hospital, but it's being developed for a project by the strategic health authority |
| 13:46 |
owen |
dewey: forget that |
| 13:46 |
dewey |
owen: I forgot that |
| 13:47 |
owen |
dewey: good boy |
| 13:47 |
dewey |
thanks owen :) |
| 13:47 |
lloyd |
jargon : allows multiple branches to have the same item but with different values for things like notes, classmark, item type |
| 13:48 |
jaron |
ah, nice. seems to be a big issue these days on how to keep local data while using consortial records |
| 13:48 |
lloyd |
yeah a lot of librarys want it |
| 14:23 |
ryan |
hi #koha |
| 14:28 |
owen |
Hi ryan |
| 14:51 |
Brooke |
Howdy |
| 14:51 |
owen |
Hi Brooke |
| 14:53 |
Brooke |
How goes ye olde html? |
| 16:16 |
|
hi tnb |
| 16:17 |
tnb |
hi brooke :) |
| 16:17 |
Brooke |
How's it going? |
| 16:18 |
tnb |
pretty good, thinking about doing some online help documentation |
| 16:18 |
|
How are things going for you today? |
| 16:19 |
Brooke |
*nod* Doing the same here - what parts are you working on so I don't double up? |
| 16:19 |
tnb |
still getting organized... let me look at the wiki and see where I left off last time I worked on it |
| 16:19 |
|
hang on-- |
| 16:20 |
|
Brooke: you working from within the wiki http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]tation:onlinehelp ? |
| 16:22 |
Brooke |
will now |
| 16:25 |
tnb |
if you get confused, let me know. This structure was created during KohaCon. We also created a 'template' of sorts for doing the help. |
| 16:25 |
|
incase you haven't already seen this, here's the 'style' guide |
| 16:26 |
|
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]_help_style_guide |
| 16:26 |
|
to help us try to maintain a similar approach across help pages :) |
| 16:26 |
|
i'm gonna work on "members" |
| 16:27 |
|
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]mentation:members |
| 16:30 |
kados |
hiya brooke |
| 16:30 |
|
hey tnb |
| 16:30 |
|
Brooke: thanks much for the email |
| 16:30 |
Brooke |
howdy |
| 16:30 |
dewey |
what's up, Brooke |
| 16:30 |
kados |
Brooke: it'll give me some place to start from |
| 16:30 |
Brooke |
np |
| 16:30 |
|
a lot of the stuff that I wanted is already on the road map though :) |
| 16:30 |
kados |
:-) |
| 16:30 |
Brooke |
Makes me feel less weird |
| 16:31 |
|
<------- Dork |
| 16:31 |
kados |
yea, it's always been about resources here in the koha community |
| 16:31 |
|
never missing ideas :-) |
| 16:31 |
|
it's really interesting that so many users have the same ultimate goals |
| 16:31 |
|
prety validating of the model, really |
| 16:31 |
|
users DO know what they want ;-0 |
| 16:32 |
Brooke |
actually... |
| 16:32 |
|
groups of users know what they want |
| 16:32 |
|
and different groups will want different things |
| 16:32 |
kados |
*nod* |
| 16:41 |
tnb |
kados: did we ever get a program in place for transferring help from the wiki to the 'help'pages in Koha? |
| 16:41 |
|
the original plan, if i recall, was to write an application to populate that |
| 16:50 |
kados |
hey owen |
| 16:50 |
|
hmmm, good question tnb |
| 16:50 |
|
it's a pretty trivial thing to create |
| 16:51 |
|
one of the problems with the namespace on the wiki is it isn't linked to a specific version of Koha |
| 16:51 |
tnb |
kados: can we put chris on it? |
| 16:51 |
|
I think it is a shame to not get the help that has already been created up there |
| 16:51 |
kados |
yea, we could ask him to write something to do that |
| 16:51 |
tnb |
it helps build momentum to see what has been done |
| 16:51 |
kados |
it should only take an hour or so |
| 16:51 |
|
*nod* |
| 16:52 |
tnb |
ok, you want to ask him? |
| 16:52 |
|
also, one other question |
| 16:52 |
kados |
well, I will be on a plane to ottawa when he gets up |
| 16:52 |
|
might be worth writing him an email though |
| 16:52 |
|
sure |
| 16:53 |
tnb |
so, i'm working on 'members" |
| 16:53 |
kados |
right |
| 16:54 |
tnb |
and some pages haven't been done. I insert that page after http://koha.liblime.com/cgi-bin/koha/members/ |
| 16:54 |
|
inorder to find out what the page pertains to |
| 16:54 |
|
so i can create help for it :) |
| 16:54 |
|
but some of the 'missing pages' |
| 16:54 |
kados |
wait ... what? |
| 16:54 |
|
I'm not following, sorry |
| 16:54 |
tnb |
don't retrieve (like deletemem.pl) |
| 16:55 |
|
ok, hang on... |
| 16:55 |
kados |
I don't think deletemem needs a help file |
| 16:55 |
|
it's a function, not a page |
| 16:55 |
tnb |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]mentation:members |
| 16:56 |
kados |
what we need is a new way to write documentation |
| 16:57 |
|
that the user can initiate from within koha itself |
| 16:57 |
|
this wiki stuff is too confusing |
| 16:58 |
tnb |
kados: you had a question for me ? ;) |
| 16:58 |
|
ah, ok, so you want to scratch the wiki method? |
| 16:58 |
kados |
owen: what do you think about allowing a user to edit the help files from the help files themselves? |
| 16:58 |
|
tnb: yea, once we get that content transferred, maybe |
| 16:58 |
|
heck, come to think of it, why don't we just store that stuff in the database? |
| 16:59 |
owen |
On a per-install basis? Or to a common Koha wiki? |
| 16:59 |
kados |
well ... good question |
| 16:59 |
tnb |
i think it should work like Adobe online help |
| 16:59 |
kados |
some sites will want it to be a per-install basis |
| 16:59 |
|
those that have highly customized installs |
| 16:59 |
chris |
in the database = not translateable |
| 16:59 |
kados |
others will want to just draw from some centralized place |
| 16:59 |
|
hey chris |
| 17:00 |
|
heck are you doing up? |
| 17:00 |
|
:-) |
| 17:00 |
chris |
lil man is hungry |
| 17:00 |
tnb |
chris?! |
| 17:00 |
|
:) |
| 17:00 |
kados |
chris: what if we stored it in a way that identified the language too? |
| 17:01 |
chris |
hmmm |
| 17:01 |
kados |
table with columns: filename, language, version, description |
| 17:01 |
|
or sth |
| 17:01 |
chris |
im not sure that you gain much |
| 17:01 |
|
over just making a system to edit the .tmpl files |
| 17:01 |
kados |
on the filesystem itself you mean? |
| 17:01 |
chris |
yep |
| 17:01 |
kados |
I guess I was just thinking it might be easier to code and more secure |
| 17:02 |
|
since we alreay have a dbi plugin for the db |
| 17:02 |
chris |
open the file read it all into a text area |
| 17:02 |
kados |
but if we coudl just edit the filesystem directly that'd be cool |
| 17:02 |
|
*nod* |
| 17:03 |
|
guess we could use filesystem permissions to lock it down if we needed |
| 17:03 |
|
in a non-development environemnt |
| 17:03 |
chris |
yep |
| 17:03 |
kados |
chris: you got anything else on your plate for koha project day? if you have some time wanna whip something up for that? |
| 17:03 |
chris |
ahh im working on testing |
| 17:03 |
kados |
i would be tons easier for those writing documentation |
| 17:04 |
chris |
but if i get what i want to get done |
| 17:04 |
kados |
if they could do it on the actual screen |
| 17:04 |
chris |
then i can start on that |
| 17:04 |
kados |
cool |
| 17:04 |
|
how's little kahu doing? |
| 17:04 |
chris |
what would be really trick is to use versioning |
| 17:05 |
|
ill have to think about it more |
| 17:05 |
kados |
yea |
| 17:05 |
|
Brooke: :-) |
| 17:05 |
chris |
he's ready to go back to sleep, and so am I |
| 17:05 |
|
ill be back in about 3.5 hours :) |
| 17:05 |
kados |
hehe |
| 17:05 |
|
night chris |
| 17:05 |
|
ttyl |
| 17:05 |
Brooke |
good night chris |
| 17:05 |
chris |
my plan is get my automated test system doing more tests, then ill look into documentation |
| 17:05 |
kados |
chris++ |
| 17:06 |
|
brooke sent me a great list of suggestions for 3.0 as well |
| 17:06 |
|
that I'm planning to work through |
| 17:32 |
Brooke |
mmm cherries |
| 18:41 |
|
hi oego |
| 20:21 |
chris |
back |
| 20:21 |
darcilicious |
front? |
| 20:21 |
|
;-) |
| 20:21 |
chris |
heh |
| 20:35 |
masonj |
aloha koha |
| 21:21 |
kados |
hi all |
| 21:57 |
[K] |
<ru55el FreeNode> hi everyone |
| 23:42 |
chris |
kados: u about? |
| 00:01 |
kados |
chris: am now |
| 00:01 |
chris |
http://staff-kapiti.dev.kohalibrary.com/ |
| 00:01 |
|
click on the help icon |
| 00:01 |
kados |
hehe |
| 00:01 |
|
chris++ |
| 00:02 |
|
does it work yet? |
| 00:02 |
|
edit even |
| 00:02 |
chris |
nope i just started |
| 00:02 |
kados |
ahh |
| 00:02 |
|
very cool |
| 00:02 |
|
tina will sing your praises :-) |
| 00:02 |
|
as will Brooke :-) |
| 00:04 |
chris |
yeah i just have to get it editing now :) |
| 01:27 |
|
back |
| 01:27 |
darcilicious |
front! |
| 02:00 |
walter |
jaron, looks like i finally found someone to do the ruby-zoom extended services api work |
| 02:00 |
chris |
cool walter |
| 02:00 |
kados |
neato |
| 02:00 |
|
hiya walter, long time |
| 02:00 |
|
congrats on the success of kete! |
| 02:03 |
walter |
why thanks |
| 02:14 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> hiya walter |
| 02:14 |
walter |
howdy |
| 02:38 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> darci are you around? |
| 02:39 |
darcilicious |
yup :) |
| 02:39 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> hiya - i am having some issues with publishing on the new.koha site |
| 02:39 |
darcilicious |
k, let me wander over there |
| 02:39 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> has kados given you a login for that site? |
| 02:39 |
darcilicious |
i have a power user access yet |
| 02:39 |
|
yes |
| 02:39 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> i wanted to try out linguaplone |
| 02:40 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> so i have tried translating one page of this manual |
| 02:40 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> http://new.koha.org:8080/koha/[…]n/manual/koha-2.2 |
| 02:40 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> The 1. Introduction |
| 02:40 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> should be in both english and french now |
| 02:40 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> and i have tried publishing the pages |
| 02:40 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> but i get asked to login to view them |
| 02:41 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> when i am not logged in. |
| 02:41 |
darcilicious |
k |
| 02:42 |
|
getting a new password :) |
| 02:43 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> np |
| 02:44 |
darcilicious |
the french version is not published |
| 02:44 |
|
what happens if you publish it? |
| 02:45 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> hmm i tried to publish it |
| 02:45 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> i'll try again |
| 02:45 |
darcilicious |
k |
| 02:47 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> hmm i see a translate option |
| 02:47 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> but nowhere to publish the translated version |
| 02:47 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> under manage translation the only option i get for french is to delete it |
| 02:48 |
darcilicious |
select french from the drop down menu |
| 02:48 |
|
you'll get the french view and it'll be in draft |
| 02:49 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> ahh found it |
| 02:49 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> somehow i have ended up with the introduction |
| 02:49 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> at the end of the document |
| 02:49 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> instead of the beginning :-) |
| 02:50 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> http://new.koha.org:8080/koha/[…]w?set_language=en |
| 02:50 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> http://new.koha.org:8080/koha/[…]w?set_language=fr |
| 02:50 |
darcilicious |
i see that |
| 02:50 |
|
how odd |
| 02:50 |
|
:) |
| 02:51 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> yeah something werid when i go to add a page |
| 02:51 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> ah well |
| 02:51 |
darcilicious |
i'm not sure how well PHC and LP play together :) |
| 02:51 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> to be honest i think that is PHC |
| 02:52 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> cos if i recall |
| 02:52 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> that happened when i was putting the document in orginally |
| 02:52 |
darcilicious |
ah |
| 02:53 |
|
select english and it's 1. again :p |
| 02:53 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> i think phc is a little buggy |
| 02:53 |
darcilicious |
right |
| 02:55 |
|
argh. it won't stay there |
| 02:56 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> your guess is as good as mine :-) |
| 02:56 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> bbiab |
| 02:57 |
darcilicious |
k |
| 03:04 |
|
okay, reordering via drag/drop is not working on that site |
| 03:04 |
|
it's no limited to the PHC objects |
| 03:07 |
|
okay, i don't have the correctly permissions to reorder items anywhere on that site other than in my own personal folder |
| 03:07 |
|
correct even |
| 03:09 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> back |
| 03:09 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> right |
| 03:09 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> i think kados has started with quite restrictive privs and is gradually adding them as we need them. |
| 03:09 |
darcilicious |
ah |
| 03:09 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> that is my guess anyway |
| 03:10 |
darcilicious |
when you're in the contents tab do you see the up/down arrows in the far right column (of any folder)? |
| 03:10 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> i'll email him and cc you in so that if i get it wrong you can set him right :-) |
| 03:10 |
darcilicious |
:-) |
| 03:10 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> nope |
| 03:10 |
|
<ru55elFreeNode> i havent seen any up down arrows |
| 03:10 |
darcilicious |
that's the deal then :) |
| 03:10 |
|
not sure what permissions that is |
| 03:11 |
|
it'd be easier if he just gave me full site manager privs. i have them at plone.org ;-) |
| 03:14 |
[K] |
<ru55elFreeNode> i agree - we'll wear him down on the front :-) |
| 03:14 |
darcilicious |
:-) |
| 03:14 |
|
works for me |
| 03:14 |
|
:) |
| 03:33 |
|
all right then. night night, #koha :) i need to be up in 8.5 hours to have another day :) |
| 03:33 |
chris |
night darci |
| 08:26 |
slef |
/names |
| 08:26 |
[K] |
*** #kohaFreeNode names: ru55el jeff [K] rangi |
| 08:26 |
slef |
ru55el: are you russel? |
