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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:00 | kados | cool |
| 12:00 | jaron | sounds like things are moving along with 3, huh? |
| 12:01 | kados | yea, definitely got some good momentum going |
| 12:01 | jaron | did you get things resolved with the framework? |
| 12:02 | kados | yep, seems to be working fine now |
| 12:02 | needed a new column in for 'defaultvalue' was one prob | |
| 12:03 | jaron | ah |
| 12:21 | kados | jaron: did you see that mail from mohamed fekry on the koha list? |
| 12:21 | jaron: asking about conversion from an access db? | |
| 12:22 | jaron | no, I hadn't. |
| 12:23 | kados | I thought I say you say yesterday you had some ruby code to convert from non-marc to marc |
| 12:23 | jaron | well, I don't know if there is a perfect program, huh. |
| 12:23 | kados | hehe |
| 12:23 | everyone wants a perfect program :-) | |
| 12:23 | jaron | no, I'm just doing copy cataloging. |
| 12:24 | kados | ahh, ok |
| 12:24 | jaron | At some point I'd like to write a cvs to marc script in ruby, but not yet |
| 12:24 | kados | have you considered packaging up your ruby stuff and putting it on contribs.koha.org/ |
| 12:24 | ? | |
| 12:24 | jaron | I'd at least put a link there to the rubyforge project: http://zcc.rubyforge.org/ |
| 12:25 | You'll see I'm also working on grabbing authority records much easier as a part of grabbing marc records. | |
| 12:25 | kados | sweet |
| 12:25 | jaron | uses worldcat identities, but hasn't been incorporated into the main script yet. |
| 12:26 | kados | man, I wish I could get you and chris catalfo to work together :-) |
| 12:26 | you could do all the back-end and he could do the web interface | |
| 12:26 | jaron | yeah, I'm weak on the web interface stuff right now. |
| 12:27 | hdl | jaron : |
| 12:27 | jaron | I'd be happy to work with him but I'm really only interested in writing Ruby right now. |
| 12:27 | kados | *nod* |
| 12:27 | jaron | yes, hdl? |
| 12:27 | dewey | rumour has it hdl is here |
| 12:27 | hdl | toins is rewriting MARCeditor |
| 12:28 | toins | jaron: you speak about the koha marc editor ? |
| 12:28 | jaron | is that a particular program or the opencataloger? |
| 12:28 | hdl | No KohaMARCEditor |
| 12:28 | kados | jaron: toins is, I think, working on the koha MARC editor |
| 12:28 | jaron | hi, toins. no, not a marc editor right now, but a copy cataloging script right now. |
| 12:29 | toins | ok |
| 12:29 | jaron | you can edit subfields that already exist |
| 12:29 | but it doesn't want to be a full blown marc editor--yet. | |
| 12:29 | it's mainly a project to learn Ruby and help catalog my PT job's collection. | |
| 12:31 | I needed something quicker than the current marc editor that would do scripted changes to records. | |
| 12:31 | and would create csv files for label making | |
| 12:32 | right now it's only command line, but the objects created for the next version will allow the library to be reused as a web or gui, I think. | |
| 12:34 | kados | toins: are you altering the functionality of the KohaMARCEditor? or just cleaning the code? |
| 12:36 | toins | kados: cleaning the code and rewriting some functions |
| 12:37 | my work is fully test currently by a french library (IPT) | |
| 12:37 | (but in unimarc) | |
| 12:37 | kados | of course |
| 12:37 | what I hear is that the biggest problem is the speed | |
| 12:38 | toins | speed ? |
| 12:38 | dewey | somebody said speed was just crazy fast |
| 12:38 | kados | it's because we load a HUGE html page |
| 12:38 | toins | yep |
| 12:38 | i 've made some optimisation too.. | |
| 12:38 | jaron | that's what I'd say is the worst problem with it. |
| 14:37 | kados | hey foxnorth |
| 14:37 | dewey | i think foxnorth is the programmer working on the new cataloging app for google summer of code |
| 14:37 | kados | hehe |
| 14:37 | foxnorth | hey kados! |
| 14:38 | kados | dewey: botsnack |
| 14:38 | dewey | thanks kados :) |
| 14:38 | foxnorth | just writing back to your email |
| 14:38 | kados | sweet |
| 14:38 | foxnorth | 1 sec :) |
| 14:44 | kados: just emailed you current status | |
| 14:44 | kados | w00t |
| 14:45 | woops, looks like I missed your last email, sorry :( | |
| 14:46 | LOC doesn't do Unicode properly | |
| 14:46 | so I'm not surprised you're having trouble there | |
| 14:46 | i generally download using marc-8 and convert on the fly :-) | |
| 14:46 | (downloading marc21 rather than marcxml records should also reduce the network traffic between you and LOC by a factor of 10 | |
| 14:47 | jaron | I agree with kados on the above. |
| 14:48 | kados | foxnorth: I'd say lets focus on the UI for now |
| 14:49 | foxnorth: particulary the cataloging workflow and the editing process | |
| 14:49 | foxnorth | ok that's good to know |
| 14:49 | about loc! | |
| 14:49 | agreed on the ui | |
| 14:49 | kados | because I can always handle the searching and saving |
| 14:49 | but I'm all thumbs with UI stuff | |
| 14:49 | foxnorth | ok-- |
| 14:49 | have you checked out the latest incarnation? | |
| 14:50 | the editor needs some serious work still | |
| 14:50 | but that should be a fun part | |
| 14:51 | kados | *nod* |
| 14:51 | what's a good search to try? | |
| 14:51 | it's just giving me errors for the ones I've tried | |
| 14:52 | foxnorth | um |
| 14:52 | xml as keyword? | |
| 14:52 | kados | there we go |
| 14:52 | cool | |
| 14:53 | it'd also be swank if you could preview the record | |
| 14:53 | is that what the bottom panel is for? | |
| 14:53 | in the results page? | |
| 14:53 | btw: I found this really great book on interface design | |
| 14:53 | Designing Interfaces: Patterns for Effective Interaction Design by Jenifer Tidwell | |
| 14:54 | it has some 'patterns' that I think might be useful for this | |
| 14:55 | foxnorth | huh |
| 14:55 | ah ok | |
| 14:55 | should have your test records i believe too | |
| 14:55 | dbl-click to open record | |
| 14:56 | kados | yep |
| 14:56 | that's pretty swank | |
| 14:56 | foxnorth | actually i was thinking about a pop-up sort of window to preview in! |
| 14:56 | like hovering over record in search results would show you most pertinent other data or something | |
| 14:56 | kados | well, one of the complains I often get about our current z39.50 client |
| 14:57 | is that you can't preview the marc record while browsing the list | |
| 14:57 | foxnorth | ah the bottom panel is supposed to be a status bar:for searching, saving status etc. |
| 14:57 | seems like a good idea to me | |
| 14:57 | i would have loved to be able to do that as a cataloger | |
| 14:57 | kados | maybe a two-panels side by side pattern would be something to try |
| 14:57 | foxnorth | for the preview? |
| 14:57 | kados | as you scroll down, the second panel updates |
| 14:57 | yea | |
| 14:57 | foxnorth | uh huh |
| 14:57 | kados | kind like when you're reading email |
| 14:57 | foxnorth | gotcha |
| 14:58 | kados | phone, brb |
| 15:39 | Frederic | kados: how are you? I'm converting data into a koha 3 marc21 db. I've just seen you're about to modify marc21 framework file for koha 3. Why for? Do I need to wait this commit? |
| 15:39 | thd: Are you there? I would like to phone you? | |
| 16:04 | foxnorth | jaron: are you still around? |
| 16:05 | jaron | I'm just heading out to lunch right now, but I'll be back in 30. |
| 16:05 | unless it's something quick? | |
| 16:11 | foxnorth | no problem! i |
| 16:11 | i'll hang around :) | |
| 16:59 | jaron | foxnorth: still there? |
| 16:59 | dewey | it has been said that there is no spoon |
| 17:00 | foxnorth | jaron: hey! still here |
| 17:01 | jaron: kados mentioned he'd passed on the url to the cataloging app i'm working on | |
| 17:01 | jaron: now that it's a little farther along, if you have time sometime, i'd love for some feedback from a fellow cataloger's perspective! :) | |
| 17:01 | jaron | yes. I started jotting notes if you're interested. |
| 17:01 | foxnorth | i'd love to hear your thoughts! |
| 17:02 | jaron | UI stuff: I get some funny artifacts between lines of the editor. It loads quickly. I'd like the subfield indicators to be highlighted so '|a' would be in bold. Keyboard shortcuts to move between tabs. Long lines should wrap. No scrolling side to side. Indicators need only be one character wide. Center the fixed fields. Don't want to mess with record length unless you really know what you're doing so make it uneditable? |
| 17:02 | foxnorth | if you've got a lot, feel free to email them |
| 17:02 | jaron | well, that's a start. |
| 17:02 | foxnorth | yep |
| 17:02 | agree with all of that! | |
| 17:03 | i'm actually working right now on making the editor prettier (e.g. highlighting of subfield codes) | |
| 17:03 | i'm trying out tiny_mce as a rich text editor | |
| 17:03 | jaron | cool. |
| 17:03 | foxnorth | need to figure out how to disable its button toolbar, though |
| 17:03 | believe i'll have to do it w/ css | |
| 17:03 | doesn't seem to have a config option for this that i've found | |
| 17:03 | so that's unfortunate | |
| 17:04 | i was thinking, i always wanted to be able to tab between subfields of a tag | |
| 17:04 | jaron | good. |
| 17:04 | foxnorth | not sure if that's what you meant, or just tab betweeen tags? |
| 17:04 | how about general workflow? | |
| 17:04 | jaron | tab between the tabs on the top |
| 17:04 | foxnorth | i've tried to model this on oclc connexion |
| 17:04 | that's a good idea | |
| 17:04 | a bit | |
| 17:04 | jaron | I see that. |
| 17:05 | foxnorth | i havent' set up "status" values in the sqlite db yet |
| 17:05 | and i'm thinking of making those user configurable | |
| 17:05 | as in connexion (at least desktop client version w/ its status indicators) | |
| 17:05 | jaron | or with a little about what's commonly in that field for marc21? |
| 17:05 | foxnorth | woops brb |
| 17:05 | jaron | maybe with link to oclc bib formats? |
| 17:05 | ok | |
| 17:22 | foxnorth | jaron: agreed. thanks for your thoughts so far! i'll bbiab-- |
| 17:57 | hdl | jaron : 2character wide for indicators seems wiser. |
| 17:57 | jaron | hdl: and then just have one text field for both indicators? |
| 17:57 | hdl | since sometimes, 2 indicateors may be needed (for 200, 701 710 Unimarc) |
| 17:58 | OK. | |
| 17:58 | jaron | yeah, 2 indicators are used a lot in marc21 as well |
| 17:59 | right now each of the two indicator fields is wider than one character | |
| 18:00 | and that's a mistake | |
| 18:49 | atz | greets |
| 19:02 | kados | hiya atz |
| 19:02 | atz | what's up? |
| 19:03 | kados | need to get more coffee :-) |
| 19:03 | atz | i also recommend sleep |
| 19:03 | :) | |
| 19:03 | kados | hehe |
| 19:03 | how about you, what're you up to? | |
| 19:04 | atz | just coding.... present more features to the group tomorrow morning |
| 19:04 | oh, and mocking sirsi. | |
| 19:05 | They posted their (decade overdue) OSS code to FTP | |
| 19:05 | ftp://ftp.sirsi.com (user: opensource, pass: freesoftware) | |
| 19:05 | but their tarfile is corrupt. Classic. | |
| 00:40 | kados | foxnorth: you around? |
| 01:20 | thd | seen kados ? |
| 01:20 | dewey | kados was last seen on #koha 39 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: foxnorth: you around? [Wed Jul 18 12:40:48 2007] |
| 01:21 | thd | kados: you around? |
| 01:28 | kados | thd: am now |
| 01:46 | thd | kados: are you still now |
| 01:46 | ? | |
| 01:50 | kados | thd: yes :-) |
| 01:50 | thd: are you? :-) | |
| 01:51 | thd | yes |
| 01:51 | kados: did you see my koha-zebra list message? | |
| 01:56 | kados: are we playing message tag? | |
| 01:56 | kados | yes |
| 01:57 | I saw it | |
| 01:57 | I didn't know about that limitation | |
| 01:57 | thd | kados: so how much will it cost to fix the problem? |
| 01:57 | kados | what circumstances is it most relevant to? |
| 01:57 | and how did you discover it? | |
| 01:58 | I'm not sure I believe it | |
| 02:00 | thd | kados: f you want a big library which has Cyrillic, Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, Chinese, etc. which they need indexed in the original language instead of merely the Latin transliteration then you need a fix for that problem. |
| 02:00 | kados | *nod* |
| 02:01 | but I'm not sure I believe that it's a limit in zebra 2.0 | |
| 02:01 | thd | kados: did you read the linked message from the Index Data Zebra mailing list? |
| 02:01 | kados | yep |
| 02:01 | thd | kados: frederic found the problem and told me about it on telephone today |
| 02:02 | kados | ahh, I see now |
| 02:02 | yep, looks like it will need to be sponsored | |
| 02:02 | I have no idea how much, why don't you ask the zebralist? | |
| 02:02 | thd | kados: would the Index Data mailing list have incorrect information from such a recent date? |
| 02:02 | kados | no, you're right, it looks legit |
| 02:03 | thd | kados: do you mean that I should ask on Index Data's own list? |
| 02:03 | kados | yep |
| 02:03 | thd | kados: OK I will subscribe later |
| 02:04 | jaron | yeah, I'd hope that if they'd like many parties to throw in together for the change they might also be willing to throw a figure out there. |
| 02:04 | gotta go. | |
| 02:05 | thd | kados: Frédéric told me that he did an install of MARC 21 Koha 3.0 today and did not encounter the bug for the missing framework column. How could that be? |
| 02:06 | kados | dunno |
| 02:06 | thd | kados: under what circumstance did you see an error? |
| 02:07 | kados | durring the install IIRC |
| 02:07 | and while editing a framework | |
| 02:07 | thd | kados: which installer were you using? |
| 02:08 | kados | the web installer of course |
| 02:09 | thd | kados: is the command line installer unfinished for 3.0? |
| 02:09 | kados | no |
| 02:10 | thd | kados: to add the column to the framework I need to know what order the columns are in or where default_value is in the order |
| 02:10 | kados | defaultvalue is last |
| 02:11 | it's defined in kohastructure.sql | |
| 02:11 | http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org[…]=koha&view=markup | |
| 02:12 | thd | kados: I used less verbose INSERT statements so that I could edit the frameworks without excess noise so the safeguard about column order is absent. |
| 02:12 | kados | cool |
| 02:12 | thd | kados: the safeguard is only an issue when a new column is added such as now |
| 02:13 | kados: I asked paul about the issue at the time and he said not to worry until we added more columns | |
| 02:13 | kados | hehe |
| 02:13 | sounds like it's worry time :-) | |
| 02:14 | thd | kados: I assume that you were not updating an existing install when you tested. Is that correct? |
| 02:14 | kados | correct |
| 02:15 | thd | kados: were you using MySQL 4.X? |
| 02:15 | kados | 5.0 |
| 02:19 | thd | kados: I will update default_structure.sql which the installer uses as well as the DROP the framework tables and start again scripts |
| 02:21 | kados | great! |
| 02:21 | http://cvs.savannah.nongnu.org[…]oot=koha&view=log | |
| 02:21 | that's the currently used default_structure.sql | |
| 02:22 | thd | kados: is there an optional directory with other versions? |
| 02:22 | kados | could be |
| 02:23 | thd | kados: what does mandatory mean in that context? |
| 02:24 | kados | it means mandatory :-) |
| 02:24 | thd | ;) |
| 02:28 | kados: frederic told me that there was discussion today on IRC about a GUI editor for Koha | |
| 02:28 | kados: Is someone actually working of a GUI editor? | |
| 02:29 | s/of/on/ | |
| 09:42 | slef | Hi all. Does koha 3.0 still use Net::Z3950? |
| 09:43 | chris | not afaik |
| 09:43 | lloyd | slef - howdy |
| 09:43 | been looking for you | |
| 09:43 | chris | uses ZOOM |
| 09:43 | slef | lloyd: oh aye, you were meeting people on Friday? |
| 09:44 | lloyd | I was supposed to but couldn't make it. It's been rearranged for the 26th |
| 09:44 | slef | chris: about.pl still lists Net::Z3950 |
| 09:44 | chris | hmm |
| 09:45 | im not sure i trust about.pl at all | |
| 09:45 | lemme go look | |
| 09:46 | i suspect no one has edited about.pl to update it | |
| 09:47 | slef | if someone could, that would help me with Makefile.PL |
| 09:47 | thanks | |
| 09:47 | search for @component_names | |
| 09:47 | chris | yeah |
| 09:48 | hasnt been updated since april | |
| 09:48 | ill ask hdl or toins if i see them tonight | |
| 09:49 | hdl | hi |
| 09:49 | toins | hi too |
| 09:49 | hdl | (on phone) |
| 09:53 | chris | yeah the only references to Net::Z3950 I can find are in about.pl and Install.pm (and the safe-installer) |
| 10:03 | slef | chris: do you have time to take a look at Makefile.PL:/PREREQ_PM for any other red herrings? |
| 11:05 | zsh | Hi! I've been trying to print barcodes using koha but I keep getting "Internal server error". I google'd and i noticed several people have been getting the same problem. Does anyone have a solution for it? |
| 11:05 | slef | check your error_log for what actually broke |
| 11:05 | "Internal server error" is Apache's equivalent of "something went wrong" | |
| 11:05 | so it's hard to solve it just from that | |
| 11:06 | zsh | ok. lemme paste the error i got. |
| 11:08 | masonj | zsh: ive recently done a tidy up of the barcodes stuff in cvs |
| 11:10 | zsh | masonj: ok, i'll have a look |
| 11:10 | masonj | if you are keen, you can grab the latest barcodes stuff from the koha rel_2_2 branch in cvs, and see if that solves your problem |
| 11:10 | slef | masonj: updated to use the current modules? |
| 11:12 | masonj | hmm, more a template tidy-up for default and npl templates |
| 11:13 | zsh | [Wed Jul 18 14:11:40 2007] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Can't locate object method "barcode" via package "PDF::API2" at /usr/local/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/barcodes/barcodesGenerator.pl line 237., referer: http://localhost:8002/cgi-bin/[…]codes/barcodes.pl |
| 11:13 | masonj | aaaah |
| 11:13 | slef | that's the modules problem... I'll go grab the patch from the client site once I've finished these emails |
| 11:13 | zsh: 2.2.9? | |
| 11:15 | zsh | slef: not sure i think so, lemme check. i grabbed the latest release from www.koha.or |
| 11:15 | *www.koha.org | |
| 11:15 | yes 2.2.9 | |
| 11:16 | masonj | barcodes.pl is from the orig. barcodes work, done by Physics Library UNLP Argentina |
| 11:18 | i was refering to a different barcodes module | |
| 11:19 | but, yes, slef has a known fix, for that known bug :) | |
| 11:19 | slef | masonj: which is standard in 2.2? |
| 11:22 | masonj | hmm, i think the new barcodes code may not be in the 2.2 tgz, yet |
| 11:23 | so it might be just the orig. barcodes code as standard | |
| 11:23 | zsh | masonj: is the code in cvs relatively complete, may i use it on a production machine? |
| 11:25 | masonj: the barcode stuff that is. | |
| 11:25 | masonj | sure, we have been using it on our prod boxes for a while |
| 11:26 | slef | masonj: is there an orig barcodes V new barcodes summary somewhere? |
| 11:26 | masonj | its pretty harmless, but you should have a look on a test box first |
| 11:27 | zsh | masonj: ok |
| 11:29 | masonj | slef: i sent a summary email to the koha-dev list a long while back about the new barcodes stuff, but apart from that there, isnt any summary that i know of yet |
| 11:29 | slef | masonj: that tells me where to search. Thanks. |
| 11:30 | Someone should make a koha development federated search... lots of stuff is indexed already and general search engines suck for koha, giving me lots of links to Albanian newspapers. | |
| 11:31 | masonj | yikes |
| 11:31 | zsh | slef: :) |
| 11:32 | slef | depending on search terms, of course |
| 11:33 | hdl | slef: about perl module dependancies, |
| 11:34 | i can send you a processed list of all the modules with the filenames which use it. | |
| 11:34 | Are you interested ? | |
| 11:35 | slef | hdl: yes, please. I was using grep -r '^use' koha or similar. |
| 11:36 | hdl | (Basically, this is what I did... But in a perl script to get output better...) |
| 11:36 | :P | |
| 11:42 | zsh | slef: you mentioned a patch for the barcode problem, i'd like to try that before i start messing around with cvs, could you send me a link or something |
| 11:43 | slef | zsh: 1 email to do. (I'm at work.) |
| 11:43 | zsh | slef: ok, np. |
| 11:46 | hdl | sent to phonecoop adress. |
| 11:47 | slef | hdl: thanks |
| 11:49 | ok, now looking for patch | |
| 11:50 | zsh | slef: thanks |
| 11:50 | slef | No route to host |
| 11:50 | ok, that's a problem | |
| 11:50 | oh yes, they changed ISP | |
| 11:51 | I'll see if I've got the new address | |
| 11:54 | new firewall too... I'll email their network admin, but first I'll see | |
| 11:54 | if I have a copy of the patch somewhere | |
| 11:55 | I wonder if it's this one called "barcodefix.patch"! | |
| 11:55 | zsh: http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/barcodefix.patch | |
| 11:56 | zsh: if it still works, please tell me and I'll commit it to rel_2_2 | |
| 11:56 | zsh | slef: thanks, you r a lifesaver |
| 11:56 | zsh: ok, will do | |
| 11:56 | slef | zsh: say that after you've tested it ;-) |
| 11:57 | zsh: you OK with patching? | |
| 11:57 | zsh | slef: yeah, np |
| 11:57 | slef | cool |
| 11:58 | right, 4 hours at work and I've just finished basic correspondence :-/ | |
| 11:58 | big project management -- |
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