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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 12:11 | kados | g'morning #koha |
| 12:11 | slef | hi |
| 12:11 | kados | welcome to Koha Project Day |
| 12:11 | :-) | |
| 12:11 | slef | what spec servers are you running koha-zebra on? |
| 12:11 | kados | dell poweredge 1800 IIRC |
| 12:12 | with 4 gigs of ram | |
| 12:12 | one processor | |
| 12:12 | slef | I think that means all but one of my current koha-2.2s should move up OK |
| 12:13 | and pretty much all new servers should be fine | |
| 12:13 | kados | yea |
| 12:13 | well, think of it this way | |
| 12:13 | it improves the speed of 2.2 :-) | |
| 12:13 | slef | is that amount of RAM needed or just useful? |
| 12:13 | kados | so if you can do 2.2 on the box, you should see significant improvements with koha-zebra |
| 12:13 | just useful | |
| 12:14 | you could run it on almost no ram if you wanted | |
| 12:14 | slef | swap city ;-) |
| 12:33 | Do you have a project slate for today? | |
| 12:55 | kados | well this morning I have to wrap up a few non-KPD stuff |
| 12:55 | I spaced yesterday | |
| 12:55 | hoping to get started with KPD around noon (3 hours from now) | |
| 12:56 | probably will work on Koha 3.0 interface design for setarters | |
| 12:56 | slef: you planning to work on the installer? | |
| 12:56 | slef | yep, planning to have another crack at installing 3.0, making notes and seeing what to do |
| 12:57 | I've a few things to do before the shops shut (2 hours from now), so I guess I'll probably end up starting around the same time as you, all being well | |
| 12:57 | kados | sweet! |
| 12:57 | slef++ | |
| 13:07 | slef | first, I shall suspend this PC for a few hours |
| 15:54 | kados | hey BoSchafers |
| 15:55 | BoSchafers: we're about to get started here :-) | |
| 15:59 | hey pecisk | |
| 15:59 | BoSchafers | ah yes? with what? I'm in Oz so its late in the eve here |
| 15:59 | kados | Tina and I are going to work on defining Koha 3.0 interface design :-) |
| 15:59 | she's here in the office with me | |
| 15:59 | I think slef's going to work on a new installer | |
| 16:00 | BoSchafers | so this is the so called koha day im witnessing :) ? |
| 16:00 | kados | chris, mason and russ won't be here for another 5 hours or so (they are in NZ) |
| 16:00 | BoSchafers: it is :-) | |
| 16:00 | slef | fatal: unable to connect a socket (Connection refused) |
| 16:00 | oh yeah, root crashed the server lots | |
| 16:01 | kados | Ryan's got a client deadline so he won't be joining us ... we've got a golive tomorrow for Barberton PL |
| 16:01 | that leaves sara, not sure what she's working on | |
| 16:02 | slef | kados: do I want head or dev_week for zebra? |
| 16:02 | kados | head please |
| 16:02 | dewey | head is head |
| 16:03 | slef | dewey: you watch it, or I'll say something offensive, you botsnack-muncher |
| 16:03 | dewey | thanks slef :) |
| 16:03 | kados | heh |
| 16:04 | BoSchafers | well this is all a bit over my head at this stage....think I'll turn in....take care and have a productive time |
| 16:05 | slef | BoSchafers: sit around and heckle if you want |
| 16:05 | it's all I've been good for recently :-S | |
| 16:05 | kados: did you see comment about the dev-chat? | |
| 16:05 | kados | no, missed it |
| 16:06 | slef | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/h[…]-06/msg00025.html |
| 16:06 | (I believe the two main koha-turuloj will be discussing a major koha | |
| 16:06 | project earlier on 2 July and can't be sure to be back online by | |
| 16:06 | 1900Z) | |
| 16:09 | kados | shoot |
| 16:09 | how'd I miss that one? | |
| 16:10 | slef: I have to go afk for a bit | |
| 16:10 | slef | ok |
| 16:10 | kados | slef: problem with changing the date is I really don't know people's schedules other than my own :( |
| 16:10 | bbiab | |
| 16:11 | slef | aha, git rebase origin/origin fixed it |
| 16:12 | koha-git's equivalent of cvs head is origin | |
| 16:12 | (its equivalent of rel_2_2 is rel_2_2, which is less confusing...) | |
| 16:12 | burg | quit |
| 16:13 | slef | no. you |
| 16:13 | ;-) | |
| 16:13 | burg | sorry :) |
| 16:13 | slef | np |
| 16:13 | see you later? | |
| 16:13 | and ITYM /quit | |
| 16:13 | (in most chat clients, anyway) | |
| 16:14 | burg | thx |
| 16:28 | kados | slef: http://kados.org/stuff/koha_zoom_0.3.tar.gz |
| 16:28 | slef: you can try that | |
| 16:28 | slef | this 30 one is later |
| 16:29 | just found it like 60secs ago... thanks anyway | |
| 16:29 | hi mm | |
| 16:29 | martinmorris | afternoon all |
| 16:29 | hi slef | |
| 16:30 | i've popped on with another question i can't seem to find easily in the kohadocs or on the mailing list - i'm now starting to use name and subject authorities for the catalogue and am not sure of a way of storing them in koha so i don't have to keep a separate list | |
| 16:30 | i'm assuming there IS a way? | |
| 16:30 | slef | yeah, pretty sure - let me check |
| 16:31 | martinmorris | thanks matey |
| 16:31 | slef | phew, glad iceweasel had memorised that password - I sure hadn't! |
| 16:32 | martinmorris | :) |
| 16:32 | slef | So have you tried Authorities - Add Authority off the librarian home page? |
| 16:32 | oops - iceweasel javascript loop | |
| 16:32 | martinmorris | just logging back in , two secs |
| 16:33 | um *blush* no i hadn't :) | |
| 16:33 | *that's* embarassing - thanks slef | |
| 16:33 | i've just been going to koha administraiton and trying from there and didn't see it! | |
| 16:41 | slef | no worries... let me know if it works for you - it's behaving oddly here, but I think it's my fault ;-) |
| 16:51 | martinmorris | thanks slef - i'm adding a few now. will also need to work out how to restrict the relevant fields (650a) to just those authorities - sure it's obvious |
| 16:58 | well i'm only half way through library school so i've got quite a lot to learn still | |
| 16:59 | just picked it all up as you've gone along? work experience? | |
| 16:59 | slef | yep, and Reading The Source |
| 17:00 | I think this is part of why I like koha - I'm always trying to dumb down the interfaces ;-) | |
| 17:01 | martinmorris | sounds good to me |
| 17:05 | jaron | martinmorris: there is also a bulk auth import script, but it needs modification to work last I looked. |
| 17:05 | slef: are there packages needed from that unofficial debian packages site? | |
| 17:05 | martinmorris | yes i'd seen that thanks jaron - but for various reasons i'm going to create them individually at first because they'll need translating anyway |
| 17:08 | slef | jaron: which unofficial debian packages site? |
| 17:08 | jaron: you don't *need* them, but it may be easier than installing from sources | |
| 17:09 | jaron | slef: understood |
| 17:10 | martinmorris: what language will they be translated to? :) | |
| 17:10 | martinmorris | Esperanto as it happens :) |
| 17:10 | i'm doing a new catalogue for the british national esperanto library :) | |
| 17:10 | slef | martinmorris++ |
| 17:11 | Mi devus traduki www.ttllp.co.uk | |
| 17:11 | martinmorris | vi laboras por tiu kompanio slef? |
| 17:11 | slef | Iafoje estis esperantolingva, sed ne aktuale |
| 17:11 | martinmorris | ĉu mi konas vin? :) |
| 17:12 | slef | jes... sed eble ne |
| 17:12 | mi estas mjr.towers.org.uk | |
| 17:16 | not that much | |
| 17:16 | www.ttllp.co.uk used to be bilingual | |
| 17:16 | but that doesn't sell in England just now | |
| 17:27 | martinmorris | got a quick query before i continue on something |
| 17:28 | i'm following http://kohadocs.org/usersguide/ch01s03.html to make sure i have authority records available for some marc fields in my biblios | |
| 17:28 | i'm starting with 100a | |
| 17:28 | slef | I'll try, but I should get back to work - big meeting tomorrow |
| 17:28 | martinmorris | oh dear - well if you have to go don't let me hold you back :) |
| 17:28 | slef | library stuff... jaron probably knows more ;-) |
| 17:28 | I'll be here, just not so talkative | |
| 17:29 | and kados will probably return eventually, so keep asking ;-) | |
| 17:29 | martinmorris | it suggests i need to set up a subfield 9 but that already exists, with the description '9 (RLIN)' |
| 17:29 | kados | martinmorris: if it's already setup you can ignore that step ;-) |
| 17:30 | martinmorris | fair enough kados, ta |
| 17:30 | and what's RLIN (fearing i'm asking a stupid question) | |
| 17:30 | slef | kados: are 9 subfields like 9xx tags? |
| 17:30 | kados | yea |
| 17:30 | slef | (as in, internal use) |
| 17:30 | kados | martinmorris: try google ;-) |
| 17:30 | slef: yep | |
| 17:30 | slef | From Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (Version 1.9, June 2002) : |
| 17:30 | RLIN | |
| 17:30 | Research Libraries Information Network (network) | |
| 17:30 | ||
| 17:30 | ||
| 17:31 | martinmorris | ah, sorry, i assumed it was a koha abbreviation, not something so general |
| 17:31 | i remember i knew that already :) | |
| 17:31 | slef | dewey: vera rlin |
| 17:31 | dewey | slef: what? |
| 17:31 | slef | dewey: don't you have vera loaded? |
| 17:31 | dewey | i don't know, slef |
| 17:32 | kados | I use google because it works :-) |
| 17:32 | slef | except when it doesn't ;-) |
| 17:32 | martinmorris | google certainly has its uses but i discourage kids from using it at the library where i work |
| 17:32 | kados | yep |
| 17:32 | slef | google for "google bugs" |
| 17:32 | ;-) | |
| 17:34 | jaron | martinmorris: even though the text for 100 subfield 9 is set up you still need to put the corresponding numbered field from your authority record in the "Link" space under Default Options for that subfield in your framework |
| 17:35 | martinmorris: try translating that into esperanto. | |
| 17:37 | martinmorris | kvankam la teksto de 100 subkampo 9 jam konfiguriÄ?is, ankoraÅ necesas enmeti la taÅge numerumitan kampon el la aÅtoritatregistraĵo en la spacon 'Link' sub 'Default Option' de tiu subkampo en vian MARC-kadron |
| 17:37 | :) | |
| 17:37 | jaron | maybe it makes more sense now |
| 17:37 | slef | (hint: it's not any less jumbled after translation) |
| 17:37 | martinmorris | it did help me to understand it certainly :) |
| 17:37 | but it's still fairly jumbled, stef is right *laughs* | |
| 17:38 | slef | ;-) |
| 17:38 | jaron | but you get the idea? |
| 17:38 | martinmorris | i certainly do, thanks |
| 17:38 | i had forgotten to do that | |
| 17:38 | so in my case that's 100a I put in the link space? | |
| 17:38 | jaron | yes, that's my understanding |
| 17:39 | martinmorris | i have to say it all seemed to work even though i didn't have that link |
| 17:39 | and the documentation doesn't have it (although i havebn't read right down to teh bottom)\ | |
| 17:39 | kados | slef: how's that installer coming? ;-) |
| 17:40 | jaron | martinmorris: could be I'm completely wrong then and you should ask someone else on this one. I haven't touched authority work for a good while now. |
| 17:40 | martinmorris | well i'll keep the note stored locally and see if i get any problems - as that may be the answer |
| 17:40 | thanks for the tip jaron | |
| 17:41 | slef | kados: packaged a few more debs and made a cool tool |
| 17:41 | perlmodver | |
| 17:42 | kados | sweet |
| 17:44 | martinmorris | yep, all seems to be working, that's a real relief |
| 17:50 | jaron | martinmorris: on further investigation I'm completely and utterly wrong about what that Link field is for. |
| 17:50 | slef | erk |
| 17:50 | martinmorris | fair enough - thanks for letting me know jaron :) |
| 17:50 | slef | webapps/zoom_basic/koha/production/opac/htdocs -> ../rel_3_0/koha/koha-tmpl |
| 17:50 | that'll be a dangling symlink then ;-) | |
| 17:51 | Is there a rel_3_0 branch yet? | |
| 17:52 | kados | the rel_3_0 branch was deprecated |
| 17:52 | due to poor planning, we branched too early before we were ready | |
| 17:52 | slef | what's in your rel_3_0 folder? |
| 17:52 | HEAD? | |
| 17:52 | dewey | HEAD is head |
| 17:52 | kados | yea |
| 17:52 | sorry, that package prolly needs updating | |
| 17:53 | slef | dewey: head is head and rel_3_0 is dead |
| 17:53 | dewey | ...but head is head... |
| 17:53 | kados | if you could document problems you have with it would be great (again, sorry) |
| 17:53 | slef | yeah, no worries |
| 17:53 | this log will do most of that, I suspect | |
| 17:58 | undeclared dependency Lingua::Stem | |
| 18:02 | The following error occcurred while importing the database structure: | |
| 18:02 | Unknown suffix '-' used for variable 'port' (value '-u') | |
| 18:02 | mysql: Error while setting value '-u' to 'port' | |
| 18:02 | ooh, I saw that recently | |
| 18:11 | You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '; /*!40101 SET @OLD_CHARACTER_SET_RESULTS=@@CHARACTER_SET_RESULTS */; /*!40101 S' at line 7 | |
| 18:12 | that's a new one on me... any ideas? | |
| 18:12 | kados | huh |
| 18:12 | do we even need that line? | |
| 18:12 | slef | no idea... I'll try cutting it |
| 18:15 | "the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete." | |
| 18:16 | kados | ird |
| 18:16 | weird even | |
| 18:16 | what's that coming from, apache? | |
| 18:16 | slef | browser... investigating whether the db is set up |
| 18:16 | kados | maybe comment out the mod_redirect lines in the conf file? |
| 18:17 | I haven't double-checked that they're right | |
| 18:17 | slef | ah, maybe... I didn't double-check the rewrite rules |
| 18:17 | mysql> show tables; | |
| 18:17 | Empty set (0.00 sec) | |
| 18:17 | nope, looks like there's some other problem first | |
| 18:19 | kados | I think that should be OK |
| 18:19 | the web installer will create the tables | |
| 18:19 | slef | I was editing the web installer |
| 18:19 | can't see why my edit should have made it redirect to itself without doing anything | |
| 18:22 | kados | slef: http://kados.org/apache/remove[…]meters-from-uris/ |
| 18:22 | slef: that rewritecond is not essential to the operation, but it's nice to have | |
| 18:22 | slef: took me a hell of a time writing it | |
| 18:22 | :-) | |
| 18:23 | slef | rewrites interact with almost every part of a server config IME |
| 18:23 | but I'm still going to try a revert first, as it worked before my edits | |
| 18:24 | reverted and now it displays again | |
| 18:24 | strange | |
| 18:25 | "Transport endpoint is not connected" | |
| 18:28 | got it | |
| 18:31 | kados | w00t |
| 18:31 | slef | uses DBI instead of MySQL command-line to install the tables |
| 18:32 | It's probably evil, but I'm willing to try stuff to get away from the command-line tool. | |
| 18:32 | kados | yea |
| 18:33 | slef | (We've been screwed by the mysql tool, we've been screwed by the shell...) |
| 18:34 | ok, both patches just failed :-/ | |
| 18:44 | committed | |
| 18:44 | kados | slef++ |
| 18:45 | slef | hrm, it just jumped back to the start of the installer - why? |
| 18:45 | s/installer/web installer | |
| 18:45 | kados | I dunno, someone else reported that too |
| 18:54 | slef | how does koha know to redirect to the installer? |
| 18:55 | C4/Auth.pm:342 | |
| 18:55 | C4::Context->preference('Version') needs to be set | |
| 18:57 | not set by web installer | |
| 19:01 | roflmao | |
| 19:01 | javascript in the web installer is buggy | |
| 19:02 | toggle the drop down from English to French and then back again and a load more database-loading options appear | |
| 19:03 | select some of those options, including Default Koha preferences and then koha works. | |
| 19:12 | kados | huh |
| 19:12 | can it be fixed? | |
| 19:13 | slef | yes - do the language selection as one step, then do the option selection as the next screen |
| 19:14 | maybe fixable on the same screen, but getting rid of needless javascript is A Good Thing | |
| 19:14 | kados | makes sense to me |
| 19:14 | musta been added recently | |
| 19:14 | slef | Does simple acquisitions exist in koha-zebra? |
| 19:15 | kados | isn't that just direct cataloging? |
| 19:15 | slef | more-or-less, I guess |
| 19:16 | erm, I can't Add MARC | |
| 19:17 | ryan | i think paul said toins is cleaning marc editor up now? |
| 19:17 | may be broken in cvs | |
| 19:17 | kados | yea, did that actually start yet> |
| 19:17 | ? | |
| 19:17 | it'll be nice when we have git | |
| 19:17 | ryan | dunno - was working a few weeks ago |
| 19:17 | kados | someone can work on something, then merge when it's actually done |
| 19:17 | slef | ah, so that's why I have a blank screen |
| 19:18 | kados | maybe, maybe not |
| 19:18 | slef: expect bugs galore :-) | |
| 19:18 | ryan | blank screen also caused by a mandatory flag set on tag-level. |
| 19:18 | slef | kados: you could keep a "worksforRM" tag in CVS back at the last known-working version |
| 19:19 | ryan | check framework - if all mandatory flags are at subfield level, might work |
| 19:19 | kados | good idea |
| 19:19 | slef | kados: but that would involve tracking commits... tinderbox... argh, |
| 19:19 | Mozilla-style code death | |
| 19:19 | kados | maybe after we roll out 3.0 I'll do that |
| 19:19 | but we're planning to move to git fairly quickly (soon as the docs are done) | |
| 19:19 | so it's prolly a mute point | |
| 19:19 | slef | ryan: MARC Bibliographic framework test says OK... is that what you meant? |
| 19:20 | kados: moot | |
| 19:20 | kados | yea |
| 19:20 | moot | |
| 19:20 | ryan | no, in framework editor, no tags can have mandatory flag set |
| 19:21 | slef | where's framework editor? |
| 19:21 | kados | slef: i'm installing plone for another project and they have a 'universal installer' for linux that's kinda neat |
| 19:21 | slef: might be worth checking out | |
| 19:21 | slef | "Bugzilla has suffered an internal error. Please save this page and send it to chris.cormackliblime.com with details of what you were doing at the time this message appeared." |
| 19:21 | yippee | |
| 19:21 | ryan | slef: cgi-bin/koha/admin/biblio_framework.pl |
| 19:22 | slef | kados: plone is Python on Zope? |
| 19:22 | kados | slef: *nod* |
| 19:22 | slef | ryan: argh, tons of mandatory tags... |
| 19:23 | ryan: as in "Yes" in MARC Structure under "Mandatory" column heading - right? | |
| 19:23 | kados | "The Plone Unified Installer is a source-installation kit that installs |
| 19:23 | Plone and its dependencies from source on most Unix-like platforms. The | |
| 19:23 | kit includes Plone, Zope and Python. Python is installed in a way that | |
| 19:23 | ryan | yes |
| 19:23 | kados | will not change or interfere with your system Python." |
| 19:24 | ryan | slef: (fixed fields are ok - i think bug is when there's a mandatory sufield _in_ a mandatory tag?) |
| 19:24 | slef | kados: yuck, two copies of Python on the system ;-) |
| 19:24 | ryan | (just stumbled on this the other day) |
| 19:25 | slef | ryan: I think I'm going to fall back to 2.2 for now... it's getting late here |
| 19:25 | ryan | there's always update marc_tag_structure set mandatory=0; |
| 19:25 | kados | slef: fall back to 2.2 for what? |
| 19:25 | slef | kados: demo system |
| 19:26 | kados | shoot |
| 19:26 | after all that? | |
| 19:26 | slef | at least I have a working 3.0 around for devel |
| 19:26 | kados | you're soooo close :-) |
| 19:31 | slef: may be a pain to install two versions of python for plone, but the installer is really nice | |
| 19:31 | slef: might be the best installer for a specialized app I've ever used | |
| 19:33 | slef | 20:16:05-01/07 zebrasrv(1) [warn] chdir /zebradb/biblios [No such file or directory] |
| 19:33 | ok, where does it think it has /zebradb | |
| 19:33 | kados | ahh |
| 19:34 | the installer tells you to move koha to /koha and zebradb to /zebradb | |
| 19:34 | or you could just do symlinks | |
| 19:34 | slef | yeah, I rewrote the configs |
| 19:34 | kados | oh, man |
| 19:34 | you're in for a world of hurt | |
| 19:34 | slef | If it said /opt, I might have left it |
| 19:34 | kados | yea, we debated over /opt vs / |
| 19:35 | in the end it was one less dir to parse through | |
| 19:35 | on client machines | |
| 19:36 | slef | could (should?) chroot zebrasrv for production systems |
| 19:36 | kados | yes |
| 19:36 | or you can just run it as a user | |
| 19:36 | zebra user | |
| 19:37 | slef | does it keep itself under $HOME if you do? |
| 19:37 | kados | that I'm not sure of |
| 19:37 | ryan: ? | |
| 19:37 | slef | so what's the benefit of running as zebra user? |
| 19:37 | kados | I dunno |
| 19:37 | yea, that makes sense | |
| 19:39 | slef++ # for adding bugs | |
| 19:42 | slef | kados++ for all the praise today |
| 19:43 | kados | slef: if we waited until 20gmt tomorrow could you make it? |
| 19:43 | ryan | slef: yeah, one of our testers says same, but it works okay for me. |
| 19:46 | slef | kados: not back in town until 2130gmt and then at least 20mins to return home |
| 19:47 | kados | hmmm |
| 19:48 | slef: what if we just postponed the discussion about the installer until you got home? would that work? | |
| 19:48 | I'm afraid switching the time so late in the game might be confusing | |
| 19:57 | slef | Better than nothing, I guess. Can you be around to take feedback on other points as I read the logs? |
| 19:57 | And remind chris about the serene koha-git ;-) | |
| 19:58 | kados | defintely |
| 19:58 | chris should be around long after the meeting itself | |
| 19:58 | slef | I've got to go eat now. I'll be back after. |
| 19:58 | kados | ciao |
| 19:59 | slef | No, I meant "please remind chris about the serene koha-git" |
| 19:59 | http://lists.nongnu.org/archiv[…]-06/msg00008.html | |
| 19:59 | kados | ahh |
| 19:59 | will do | |
| 19:59 | slef | thanks |
| 19:59 | kados | we're discussing git later today anyway |
| 19:59 | slef | ooh, what sort of time, do you know? |
| 19:59 | kados | prolly in about an hour or so |
| 20:00 | slef | ah, I'll definitely not be back by then |
| 20:00 | kados | sweet |
| 20:00 | slef | ttyl |
| 20:41 | chris | ive been using the serene koha git .. was broken yesterday tho |
| 20:44 | kados | sweet |
| 20:57 | chris: wanna contine where we left off with git last week? | |
| 20:57 | chris: I've got about 30 minutes before dinner plans | |
| 20:57 | then I'll be afk for a couple hours, we could do it afterwards if you prefer | |
| 20:58 | chris | now is ok |
| 20:58 | kados | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lopment:git_usage |
| 20:59 | chris | so this is the bit we have to figure out how to do |
| 20:59 | So now were happy with our work, and were ready to show it to the world. The way we currently do that is to push your branch back to the RM so the QA manager and the RM, along with the rest of the Koha world. If they like your patch or feature, they can merge it in to their master branch. | |
| 20:59 | kados | yea |
| 21:03 | chris | hmm |
| 21:05 | i think what we do | |
| 21:05 | is in our clone | |
| 21:05 | cd .git/config/remotes/orign | |
| 21:05 | mason | morning #koha |
| 21:05 | kados | hey mason |
| 21:06 | chris | where are you kados inside kohaclients.git ? |
| 21:06 | mason | hiya joshua |
| 21:06 | kados | hmmm, I'm in a dir called kohaclone |
| 21:06 | I have .git/config | |
| 21:06 | but no remotes dir below it | |
| 21:07 | chris | ahh sorry .git/remotes |
| 21:07 | kados | is this a git version thing? |
| 21:07 | ahh | |
| 21:07 | got it | |
| 21:07 | URL: kadosdenethor.metavore.com:/home/chris/kohaclients.git |
|
| 21:07 | Pull: refs/heads/master:refs/heads/origin | |
| 21:07 | Pull: refs/heads/hlt:refs/heads/hlt | |
| 21:07 | Pull: refs/heads/katipo:refs/heads/katipo | |
| 21:07 | Pull: refs/heads/issuingrules-rt77:refs/heads/issuingrules-rt77 | |
| 21:07 | Pull: refs/heads/opus-prod-testing:refs/heads/opus-prod-testing | |
| 21:07 | chris | cool |
| 21:07 | now lets try copying that | |
| 21:08 | so cp origin mywork (or something) | |
| 21:08 | kados | done |
| 21:08 | chris | now lets edit mywork |
| 21:09 | what was the name of the branch you created? | |
| 21:09 | kados | hmmm |
| 21:09 | kohaclone maybe? | |
| 21:10 | chris | git branch will tell you |
| 21:10 | kados | that's the upper-level dir |
| 21:10 | kados_test | |
| 21:10 | chris | ok |
| 21:10 | try this line | |
| 21:10 | Push: refs/heads/christest:refs/heads/christest | |
| 21:10 | where christest = kados_test | |
| 21:11 | kados | git push? |
| 21:11 | chris | you have added that line to the file? |
| 21:11 | kados | ahh |
| 21:11 | chris | (after the pulls) |
| 21:12 | kados | to mywork or origin? |
| 21:12 | chris | mywork |
| 21:12 | kados | done |
| 21:13 | chris | ok |
| 21:13 | git checkout kados_test | |
| 21:14 | edit that liblime/moo file again .. git commit it | |
| 21:14 | then try a git push mywork | |
| 21:15 | kados | seemed to work |
| 21:15 | chris | sweet |
| 21:15 | lemme just check on denethor | |
| 21:15 | yep | |
| 21:15 | i see the branch there | |
| 21:15 | so now i could go | |
| 21:15 | and check it out | |
| 21:15 | look at the log/diffs etc | |
| 21:16 | and then merge | |
| 21:16 | (on denethor) | |
| 21:16 | kados | ok, I've updated the docs |
| 21:18 | chris: that process is somewhat complicated :-) | |
| 21:19 | chris | you can do it with git-config on newer versions |
| 21:19 | and you only have to do it once | |
| 21:19 | russel | howdy |
| 21:19 | dewey | hello, russel |
| 21:19 | chris | once you have set up your remote |
| 21:20 | kados | chris: git-config means you don't have to edit the origin file? |
| 21:20 | hey russel | |
| 21:20 | (cp the origin file and edit the new one I mean) | |
| 21:20 | chris | yeah, altho thats pretty easy |
| 21:20 | and safer | |
| 21:20 | well you could muck up your origin | |
| 21:21 | kados | I'm gonna have to really dumb down these docs |
| 21:21 | chris | its all set up |
| 21:21 | kados | ok, so what we've done is figured out how to commit stuff to the project |
| 21:21 | chris | yep |
| 21:21 | kados | next question is how do I merge stuff in from someone else's branch |
| 21:21 | chris | as rm |
| 21:21 | kados | or from somone els's master |
| 21:21 | chris | ? |
| 21:21 | kados | well, no |
| 21:21 | first as a developer | |
| 21:22 | I think there are two types: | |
| 21:22 | developer <-> developer | |
| 21:22 | developer <-> RM | |
| 21:22 | chris | well, unless you cloned from a developer |
| 21:23 | you wont be able to push/pull from them, you will have to use the other tools | |
| 21:23 | or they can give you acess, and you can make another remotes file | |
| 21:23 | that pushes to their clone | |
| 21:24 | probably you would use the git tools to mail them patches | |
| 21:25 | unless you working collaborately on a project together, then you would set up whatever git structure works for you | |
| 21:25 | kados | right |
| 21:25 | I guess what we need is a set of 'best practices' | |
| 21:25 | chris | we dont know them yet |
| 21:25 | kados | so people aren't intimidated by all the possibilities |
| 21:25 | well, we need some examples | |
| 21:25 | chris | we can give them, what we might do |
| 21:26 | kados | *nod* |
| 21:26 | chris | hmm heres perhaps an easier way to do the push a branch |
| 21:27 | without needing to edit anything | |
| 21:30 | right thats easier | |
| 21:30 | heres what i did | |
| 21:30 | git branch christest2 | |
| 21:30 | git checkout christest2 | |
| 21:31 | jed liblime/moo | |
| 21:31 | git commit liblime/moo | |
| 21:31 | git push origin christest2:christest2 | |
| 21:31 | kados | cool |
| 21:31 | chris | and voila the branch is made |
| 21:31 | kados | I'll add that |
| 21:31 | chris | now if you |
| 21:31 | kados | and then go to dinner |
| 21:31 | chris | do a git checkout master |
| 21:31 | git pull | |
| 21:31 | git branch | |
| 21:31 | you should see my branch | |
| 21:32 | and as a fellow developer you can take a look, and/or merge stuff into your branch | |
| 21:33 | kados | with git branch command |
| 21:33 | and I've gotta run | |
| 21:33 | can we pick this up in a couple hours? | |
| 21:34 | (sorry) | |
| 21:34 | chris | yep |
| 21:34 | kados | maybe you and MJ can work it out some too, he was supposed to log in soon |
| 21:34 | cya soon | |
| 21:35 | chris | ahh he said definitely not back by then, nvm plenty else i can work on |
| 22:39 | right, the short answer is, we dont wnat to use an old version of git | |
| 23:24 | russel | ryan you around? |
| 23:29 | ryan | hi russel |
| 23:32 | russel | hiya ryan |
| 23:32 | on dang now i forgot what i was going to ask | |
| 23:51 | guys: a question re bugzilla for v3/head | |
| 23:51 | when i am adding bugs to bugzilla for v3 | |
| 23:51 | which version should i use | |
| 23:51 | HEAD or rel_3_0 | |
| 23:51 | ? | |
| 23:51 | chris | HEAD |
| 23:52 | russel | ok cool |
| 23:52 | and for URL's - should i just truncate so that it doesnt have the domain but has the script name location? | |
| 23:52 | ie | |
| 23:53 | chris | yep thats fine |
| 23:53 | russel | this - /cgi-bin/koha/members/deletemem.pl? |
| 23:53 | chris | yep |
| 23:53 | russel | sweet as |
| 00:54 | chris | with a more recent copy of git kados |
| 00:54 | i can do git branch -r | |
| 00:55 | and it shows me all the remote branches available | |
| 00:55 | kados | sweet |
| 00:55 | russel: installing plonehelpcenter now | |
| 00:55 | russel | hiya kados |
| 00:55 | cool thanks for that | |
| 00:55 | chris | http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide |
| 00:57 | kados | russel: ok, it's in right dir and I've restarted the zeocluster |
| 00:57 | chris | basically all the intermediate and advanced usage bits there, are how i would do it |
| 00:57 | kados | russel: you should be able to install it now |
| 00:58 | russel | ok cool will try that in about 10 mins |
| 00:58 | kados | chris: lookingnow |
| 01:01 | it seems like the version of git really matters | |
| 01:01 | that's a shame | |
| 01:01 | chris | well the version in debian stable is way way old |
| 01:01 | just anything not that old is fine | |
| 01:02 | kados | well ... all of our clients and servers are debian stable ;-) |
| 01:02 | I wonder | |
| 01:02 | chris | yeah thats what backports is for |
| 01:02 | kados | whether the next stable version will be newer |
| 01:02 | chris | next stable isnt for a while, last stable was just released |
| 01:03 | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/g/git-core/ | |
| 01:04 | you can do it all with the old one, you just have to do stuff more manually | |
| 01:04 | kados | *nod* |
| 01:04 | chris | or you can just grab a newer one from backports and put that on |
| 01:06 | http://packages.debian.org/cgi[…]n=all&release=all | |
| 01:06 | id be inclined to just backport it on | |
| 01:07 | russel | hmm kados - that product is not showing up |
| 01:07 | kados | huh |
| 01:07 | russel | where did you install it? |
| 01:07 | says it should be in here : /home/jmf/Plone-3.0/zeocluster/client1/Products | |
| 01:08 | kados | yea, that's actually a symlink to /home/jmf/Plone-3.0/zeocluster/Products |
| 01:08 | which is where I put it | |
| 01:08 | russel | i wonder why it is not showing up then |
| 01:09 | kados | I'll restart again |
| 01:10 | russel: done | |
| 01:10 | russel: what's the URL for the management interface? | |
| 01:11 | russel | http://new.koha.org:8080/Plone[…]all_products_form |
| 01:12 | kados | maybe there's a dependency I didn't install |
| 01:14 | russel: talking with some plone folks | |
| 01:14 | russel: they think we should start with 2.5 | |
| 01:15 | russel: and upgrade to 3.0 in 6 months | |
| 01:15 | russel | right |
| 01:15 | kados | so I may just wipe it clean if that's OK with you |
| 01:15 | russel | no worries |
| 01:15 | kados | and then install plonehelpcenter |
| 01:15 | ok, give me a sec | |
| 01:15 | russel | i havent done anything other than have a look around |
| 01:15 | thanks | |
| 01:23 | kados | also, I'm not sure we need the kohadocs to be a separate site |
| 01:23 | I'd prefer to use redirects to point the old kohadocs URLs to the new site | |
| 01:24 | koha.org/documentation/xxx | |
| 01:24 | y'know? | |
| 01:24 | russel | well i was thinking koha.org reorg might take a while, whilst kohadocs can be done pretty quick |
| 01:24 | so as long as we dont have to wait for a redesign to get it up and going | |
| 01:24 | sure | |
| 01:25 | i was thinking a reorg of kohadocs was something manageable | |
| 01:25 | but open for discussion :-) | |
| 01:26 | kados | well, my thought is we should do the whole thing at once |
| 01:26 | did you see the doc tina put together? | |
| 01:27 | russel | no |
| 01:28 | same goes for me | |
| 01:29 | kados | russel: that doc explains some of the functional things that are missing |
| 01:29 | the biggies IMO are internationalization | |
| 01:29 | and ability for users to sign up and write content | |
| 01:54 | russel | is plone 2.5 up and going? |
| 02:01 | kados | http://new.koha.org:8080/koha |
| 02:01 | make a site koha and installed the helpcenter | |
| 02:02 | I'm just having a chat with some plone folks | |
| 02:04 | russel | righto |
| 02:42 | kados | rach: since you're working on memberentry ... |
| 02:42 | oops | |
| 02:42 | damn autocomplete | |
| 02:42 | chris: since you're working on memberentry ... | |
| 02:42 | have you seen the templates? | |
| 02:42 | chris | yep |
| 02:42 | kados | they could use a complete re-write |
| 02:42 | chris | whats wrong with them? |
| 02:43 | kados | well they were switched from a one-step to a three-step process |
| 02:43 | chris | yep |
| 02:43 | kados | the templates are something like 800% larger than in rel_2_2 |
| 02:43 | for no real reason | |
| 02:44 | chris | i quite like the the 3 step |
| 02:44 | they render pretty small | |
| 02:45 | russel | kados: how you getting on with those privs for plone? |
| 02:45 | kados | russel: getting there |
| 02:46 | chris: I did a survey of our users and the 5-6 who responded requested a one-step process | |
| 02:46 | might be worth asking the koha list what folks prefer | |
| 02:46 | or make it a syspref | |
| 02:46 | chris | gonna have to be a systempref then |
| 02:47 | kados | my thought was rather than make so many steps in the template with lots of repetition, just do it in javascript |
| 02:47 | chris | cos san-op wanted the 3 step |
| 02:47 | yuck | |
| 02:47 | as long as none of the actual checks are done in javascript that might be ok | |
| 02:48 | kados | well, the current design is completely unmanagable |
| 02:48 | because if you want to change one thing you have like 9 or 10 places to change it | |
| 02:49 | chris | yep, some includes would tidy a lot of that up |
| 02:49 | and/or javascript as long as we arent doing any of the logic client side | |
| 02:49 | but neither of those are my bags, unless you want horrendous html written | |
| 02:49 | kados | *nod* |
| 03:06 | chris | the code behind it is actually pretty nice, it shouldnt be too hard |
| 03:07 | to systempreference it | |
| 03:17 | kados: the po file is in the body of the email | |
| 07:35 | paul | chris around ? |
| 07:35 | chris | hi paul |
| 07:35 | paul | hi chris. |
| 07:35 | chris | hi slef |
| 07:35 | slef | hi chris |
| 07:36 | chris | ahh hopefully they are all fixed good :-) |
| 07:36 | slef | paul: I'm not sure whether it's a bugfix or an abomination |
| 07:36 | paul | hi slef |
| 07:36 | slef | oh, that was about chris? |
| 07:36 | hi paul | |
| 07:36 | paul | yep |
| 07:36 | slef | paul: what spec are your new koha-zebra servers JOOI? |
| 07:36 | paul | ??? |
| 07:37 | chris | just out of interest |
| 07:37 | (JOOI) | |
| 07:37 | slef | yeah, sorry |
| 07:37 | chris++ | |
| 07:37 | I'm rushing to get out of the office | |
| 07:37 | I'm just hoping that the security at stations isn't a problem today | |
| 07:37 | chris | ahh, for you koha 3.0 installs, what machines are they running on? |
| 07:37 | slef | paul: what CPU, RAM, disk are you recommending for koha 3.0? |
| 07:38 | chris | slef: ahh yeah that was all over the news here |
| 07:38 | paul | chris : about sanop.css, do you see that I now use intranet2.css, I let sanop with their own stylesheet (and I think it's outdated) |
| 07:38 | chris | ahhh thanks paul |
| 07:38 | paul | slef : I use lower computers than for Koha 2.2 ;-) |
| 07:38 | chris | good information |
| 07:38 | slef | chris: not surprised. Unexploded car-bombs driven into airport doors, for crying out loud! |
| 07:39 | paul | chris : http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=22_to_30 is not only UNIMARC related, I should have not written the title like that... |
| 07:39 | slef : I have 1 library running koha 3.0 Zebra on the same hardware as they were running koha 2.2 | |
| 07:40 | it's a 4 years old server (dell iirc), and things are faster than previously | |
| 07:40 | (55 000 biblios, large unimarc records) | |
| 07:41 | slef | interesting info... thanks... I think we still have a bit of a bug-hunt if we install koha 3.0, don't we? |
| 07:41 | paul | the second one is a 20 000 catalog, with koha 3.0 Nozebra, on a new computer, that is not a server but a standard desktop, with 1GB RAM iirc, SATA disks. |
| 07:41 | slef | ooh |
| 07:41 | russel | hiyas |
| 07:41 | paul | slef : for sure. but it's used in 2 libraries, so you should get something working relativly correctly |
| 07:41 | slef | russel: hi |
| 07:41 | dewey | hello, slef |
| 07:41 | slef | dewey: bonjour |
| 07:41 | dewey | salut, slef |
| 07:41 | chris | cant turn down free drinks :) |
| 07:41 | slef | "The Future of Video and Rich Content Online" |
| 07:44 | chris | i have more time to work on bugs for 3.0 (the koha project days) so hopefully we will get them ironed out |
| 07:45 | paul: one change i made today, but i didnt change the fr templates was for the capitalising of surnames | |
| 07:45 | i made that a systempreference | |
| 07:45 | paul | the templates will be automatically updated by tmpl_process3.pl |
| 07:45 | chris | cool |
| 07:45 | paul | when installing french updated translation |
| 07:46 | slef | I had a bit more of a chat with martinmorris yesterday which was cool. |
| 07:46 | chris | oh cool slef |
| 07:46 | slef | chris: what time was your git chat yesterday? |
| 07:46 | chris | heh |
| 07:47 | when i tried a git pull on my koha git archive this morning i got an error, lemme try again | |
| 07:47 | slef | you using serene? |
| 07:47 | chris | all good now |
| 07:47 | yep | |
| 07:48 | might have been a network blip | |
| 07:48 | slef | it was down from last Thu until yesterday, but I restarted it some time around 16:00Z |
| 07:48 | chris | ahh i must have done it before that |
| 07:48 | slef: http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide | |
| 07:49 | slef | root crashed the server |
| 07:49 | he tried installing amd64 on i386... "turns out doing an amd64 install on a i386 box is a bad idea" | |
| 07:50 | chris | heh |
| 07:53 | hi toins | |
| 07:54 | toins | hello chris |
| 07:54 | how are you ? | |
| 07:54 | chris | good thanks and you? |
| 07:56 | toins | fine too |
| 08:11 | slef | "you need to give the RM of the version of Koha you�re working on, your public SSH key" |
| 08:11 | why won't the RMs run public git servers? | |
| 08:12 | http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]ocs/everyday.html also worth a look I think | |
| 08:13 | The first step is to make youself a new branch which you�ll be working within :$ git branch npl_templates | |
| 08:13 | And now you check that branch out to start working: | |
| 08:13 | $ git checkout -f npl_templates | |
| 08:13 | Personally, I do "git checkout -b newbranchname basebranch" | |
| 08:13 | chris | feel free to edit the wiki page (or does it still have the problem where you cant login?) |
| 08:13 | slef | where basebranch is either origin/origin (for HEAD) or origin/rel_2_2 |
| 08:13 | chris | ahh good point |
| 08:14 | and yes the rm's might run public ones | |
| 08:14 | thats a better idea | |
| 08:14 | slef | I think I couldn't login last time I tried... also dumping here so I can either read logs later and/or something else I forgot |
| 08:14 | chris | cool |
| 08:15 | slef | "Share with the rest of the world" would then become either put your git online (git update-server-info, git mirror or so on) or send mail (git format-patch) |
| 08:15 | chris | right |
| 08:16 | yeah thats better | |
| 08:17 | slef | also lets the RMs ignore stuff for a while, Linus-style, if they get busy, I guess |
| 08:17 | rather than having to check the push'd changes | |
| 08:17 | chris | yep |
| 08:17 | yeah i like that better | |
| 08:17 | slef | pushing may work best within each company, though |
| 08:18 | chris | yep |
| 08:19 | slef | I'm wondering what's going to happen with "blame" with any next-gen version control system... we'll be able to see who broke stuff, but then what will we do |
| 08:19 | chris | yeah |
| 08:20 | slef | I think I pass that question to the RMs and QAM |
| 08:20 | :) | |
| 08:20 | chris | hehe |
| 08:20 | slef | http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide is quite a handy cookbook too |
| 08:20 | even if they misssssspelll commmit | |
| 08:20 | chris | presumably their patches/changes will get more scrutiny from then on |
| 08:21 | heh | |
| 08:21 | slef | right, got to get on... afk |
| 08:21 | chris | catchya later, thanks for the feedback |
| 08:29 | toins | dewey: git guide is http://wiki.sourcemage.org/Git_Guide |
| 08:29 | dewey | OK, toins. |
| 08:43 | chris | hi pecisk |
| 08:43 | pecisk | hi |
| 08:43 | :) | |
| 08:49 | Fallor | hi all |
| 08:49 | slef | hi |
| 08:49 | chris | Hi Fallor |
| 08:50 | Fallor | i'm still fighting with koha installation ;) |
| 09:17 | strange... | |
| 09:18 | all I get is constant refresh | |
| 09:18 | on the browser | |
| 09:20 | slef | Fallor: n the database table installer? |
| 09:21 | Fallor: something similar happened to me because of an installer bug. For me, I needed to change the English/French listbox in the web installer to French, then back to English, then some more boxes appeared, including "default Koha preferences" or similar. | |
| 09:21 | sorry I can't hang around to help debug - need to catch a train | |
| 09:35 | Fallor | oh, it was just the proxy of my ISP acting up :D |
| 11:45 | kados | morning #koha |
| 11:46 | paul: around? | |
| 11:46 | paul: " don t display the 1 in location column if there is only 1 item : it's useless & confusing for users " | |
| 11:47 | paul: I think that's a preference, libraries here expect to see the count even if it's only 1 |
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