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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 16:42 | kados | toins: are you around? |
| 17:15 | toins: I have the error Premature end of data in tag subfield line 63 | |
| 17:15 | toins: I think it's related to the long record problem, is there a solution to that coming? | |
| 19:21 | foxnorth | kados: are you around? |
| 19:21 | slef | last active at 18:13 |
| 19:23 | kados | hi foxnorth |
| 19:23 | foxnorth: just trying to commit something now | |
| 19:24 | foxnorth: fix another console error I was having | |
| 19:24 | foxnorth: nice to see you on chat :-) | |
| 19:24 | foxnorth | no prob-- glad to be hear |
| 19:26 | kados | foxnorth: still no luck on the keystroke |
| 19:27 | foxnorth | wierd-- it sounded from the xul tutorial that the accel attribute would fix it. :( |
| 19:27 | I'm not sure what else to try on that one. It shouldn't be so hard! | |
| 19:27 | kados | yea! |
| 19:27 | isn't that what XUL is all about? :-) | |
| 19:28 | foxnorth | yeah....I remember when i set that hotkey up, i had little trouble getting it to work at first. I'm just trying to remember what in the end fixed it for me.... |
| 19:30 | kados | foxnorth: do you get an error with blank pages 'struct is not defined'? |
| 19:30 | foxnorth | kados: do you have a good source for test marc records of various formats? I'm trying some z3950 servers from http://targettest.indexdata.com/ but i'm getting errors using yaz-client... |
| 19:31 | kados | I dunno about various formats |
| 19:31 | LOC is good for marc21 | |
| 19:31 | foxnorth | by blank pages do you mean empty records? |
| 19:31 | kados | foxnorth: yea |
| 19:31 | foxnorth | sorry, i meant books, sound recordings, visuals etc.- for testing the fixed field editor |
| 19:31 | kados | just wondering if there should be a default value for struct |
| 19:31 | ahh, right | |
| 19:31 | probably OCLC would be best ;-) | |
| 19:32 | foxnorth | it would, but doesn't one have to pay to get z3950 access to oclc?? otherwise that would be perfect! |
| 19:32 | kados | 66.213.78.76:9999/NPLKoha |
| 19:32 | that's the Nelsonville Public Library | |
| 19:33 | fairly good records there, though the leaders aren't very good | |
| 19:33 | foxnorth | thanks i'll give that a try |
| 19:33 | kados | hmmm, probably LOC is the best bet |
| 19:33 | foxnorth | yeah, loc is great too, trouble is for some reason i can search loc w/ yaz-client but not with opencataloger, and i haven't gone back to troubleshoot it. strange cos the default in opencataloger.xml (z3950.bnf.fr:2211/TOUT) works ok. |
| 19:34 | kados | should we have a default value for 'struct' or wrap all those objects in an if {} ? |
| 19:34 | weird | |
| 19:35 | IIRC LOC requires a specific identifier | |
| 19:35 | recordtype= 'f' or sth | |
| 19:35 | lemme dig that up | |
| 19:35 | foxnorth | great thanks |
| 19:36 | kados | $o->option(elementSetName => "F"); # F for 'full' as opposed to B for 'brief' |
| 19:36 | already there :( | |
| 19:36 | hmmm | |
| 19:36 | you getting a specific error? | |
| 19:36 | maybe LOC doesn't grok ccl | |
| 19:36 | foxnorth | hang on lemme check- i think it just hangs on "searching" |
| 19:36 | kados | I bet that's it |
| 19:36 | hmmm, nm, zoom will convert it to pqf | |
| 19:36 | hmmm | |
| 19:37 | foxnorth | yeah i thought so-- |
| 19:40 | kados | foxnorth: so does opencataloger save files to your local desktop correctly? |
| 19:40 | jaron | foxnorth: does that target z3950.bnf.fr:2211/TOUT require authentication? LOC doesn't, maybe the problem's somewhere there? |
| 19:40 | foxnorth | i tried it once using zebrasrv on localhost, but i don't think it actually worked. Lemme see if i can give that a go. |
| 19:41 | yes, i believe z3950.bnf.fr does. in my opencataloger.xml config file I set the user and pw to "" (and didn't set anything in yaz-client). | |
| 19:42 | kados | foxnorth: no, I mean saving with save.pl, as a file |
| 19:43 | foxnorth | i think save.pl is actually saving to a generic z3950 |
| 19:43 | kados | huh |
| 19:43 | foxnorth | but i don't know what state that code is in |
| 19:43 | kados | looks like login/pass is being stored in a cgi object ... yuk |
| 19:43 | foxnorth | ultimately taken from xml request to GET opencataloger.xml |
| 19:44 | kados | yea |
| 19:44 | that's really poor security-wise | |
| 19:44 | foxnorth | lemme see if at least it's willing to do an update |
| 19:48 | ok using save.pl and trying to save to localhost:9999 (zebra) i'm getting a js errror: Warning: reference to undefined property window.marcEncode | |
| 19:48 | Source File: http://localhost:8888/htdocs/scripts/save.js | |
| 19:48 | Line: 76 | |
| 19:49 | kados | what we really need |
| 19:49 | is a 'save to local PC' option | |
| 19:49 | well ... | |
| 19:49 | I can't really get it to save anywhere really | |
| 19:49 | jaron | kados: is opencataloger using zoom extended services? |
| 19:49 | kados | jaron: yea |
| 19:50 | jaron: it's still in early development stages | |
| 19:50 | jaron: pre-alpha :-) | |
| 19:50 | jaron | kados: I see. but that'll be cool. |
| 19:50 | kados | yea, it's getting there |
| 19:51 | jaron | I poked it some. I'll have to take a look at the code sometime. |
| 19:51 | foxnorth | me either. I was thinking we should have a save option to download recs in marc or marcxml |
| 19:51 | kados | foxnorth++ definitely |
| 19:51 | or dublin core, or MODS | |
| 19:51 | jaron | I'll second that one. |
| 19:51 | kados | I've got code to do XSLT transformations on that stuff already |
| 19:52 | but first I think getting it working is key :-) | |
| 19:52 | slef | boo - make it complicated, then make it work... erm :-S |
| 19:52 | kados | hehe |
| 19:53 | slef | http://dmoz.org/profiles/slef.html but I've not announced it much yet. |
| 19:54 | kados | slef: http://dmoz.org/profiles/kados.html ;-) |
| 19:55 | yours has a fancy pic | |
| 19:57 | *shrug* | |
| 19:57 | foxnorth: so you don't get 'struct has no properties' error when clicking on a blank record? | |
| 19:58 | slef | kados: cool. |
| 19:58 | foxnorth | kados: no, i don't. Sounds like opencat is having initialization probs. Does it report "Structure Downloaded" in the notify area when you first open main.xul? |
| 19:58 | kados | foxnorth: yes |
| 19:59 | foxnorth | hhm... |
| 20:00 | kados | maybe more FF on OSX probs |
| 20:00 | foxnorth | kados: and this is when clicking on the blank record that comes up in the "Edit" tab? |
| 20:00 | kados | foxnorth: yep |
| 20:01 | Error: struct has no properties | |
| 20:01 | Source File: http://opencat.liblime.com/htdocs/scripts/help.js | |
| 20:01 | foxnorth | kados: how about running dir(struct) in firebug (after initialization) |
| 20:01 | kados | Line: 233 |
| 20:01 | no extensions | |
| 20:01 | slef | kados: have you edited recently? You're not listed as an editor on its page. |
| 20:01 | kados | slef: I haven't |
| 20:01 | foxnorth | ah right! whoops |
| 20:01 | kados | slef: been a while |
| 20:01 | slef: one of those things you have to have time for | |
| 20:02 | <-- no time whatsoever :/ | |
| 20:02 | slef | it's a good way of tracking news in a field |
| 20:02 | kados | yea, for sure |
| 20:02 | Error: struct has no properties | |
| 20:02 | Source File: http://opencat.liblime.com/htd[…]cripts/records.js | |
| 20:02 | Line: 270 | |
| 20:02 | I can wrap those lines in if (struct) | |
| 20:03 | but ... seems like a better solution would be to find out why struct isn't defined | |
| 20:03 | where is struct defined btw? | |
| 20:03 | foxnorth | definately |
| 20:04 | kados | CheckRequest I guess |
| 20:04 | foxnorth | struct is defined in init.js i believe |
| 20:04 | yeah | |
| 20:04 | kados | ok, on page load it's null |
| 20:04 | foxnorth | and yet opencat reports structure downloaded??? |
| 20:04 | kados | yea |
| 20:05 | so that means req.responseXML isn't populated | |
| 20:05 | for some reason | |
| 20:05 | foxnorth | seems like it shouldn't! :) |
| 20:05 | ah the notification value gets set before the struct gets defined as req.responseXML | |
| 20:05 | kados | yea |
| 20:05 | probably should go the other way around, eh? | |
| 20:06 | foxnorth | what does your opencataloger.xml file look like? must not be grabbing the unimarc.xml file |
| 20:06 | kados | no unimarc |
| 20:06 | foxnorth | yeah, should be the other way around, with some sort of msg on ajax error |
| 20:06 | kados | yea, we need better errors ... |
| 20:06 | foxnorth | for sure |
| 20:06 | kados | anyway, xml file ... |
| 20:07 | <structure value="/cgi-bin/getStructureFromKoha.pl" | |
| 20:07 | maybe that doesn't work? | |
| 20:07 | what do you have? | |
| 20:07 | foxnorth | probly not |
| 20:07 | kados | format="marc21" |
| 20:08 | koha="true" | |
| 20:08 | foxnorth | i set mine up like this: <structure value="/cgi-bin/opencataloger/getStructureMarc21.pl", but i've got the marc21.xml file in my local copy. try getStructureUnimarc.pl and unimarc as format? |
| 20:08 | kados | where's the marc21.xml file? |
| 20:09 | foxnorth | or i can upload the marc21.xml file-- it's what i was just putting together to add help for marc21 but mainly to define prescribed values in the fixed field editor. |
| 20:09 | i'll upload to my site and you can fetch from there to try | |
| 20:09 | kados | cool, thx |
| 20:09 | foxnorth | unimarc.xml should be in cgi-bin |
| 20:10 | kados | I think there's already a marc21.xml somewhere out in the world |
| 20:10 | maybe LOC? | |
| 20:10 | dewey | i guess maybe LOC is super slow? |
| 20:11 | foxnorth | yeah i was wondering if there was a marc21.xml-- googeld a bit and didn't turn one up :( |
| 20:11 | kados | http://www.loc.gov/standards/marcxml/ |
| 20:11 | I swear we used to have one | |
| 20:11 | hmmm | |
| 20:11 | foxnorth | yeah, there's the schema, but opencataloger expects something like this: <fields> |
| 20:11 | <field tag="000" repeatable="false" mandatory="true"> | |
| 20:11 | <description>Leader</description> | |
| 20:11 | </field> | |
| 20:12 | kados | there was one that unimarc.xml was based on, I'm sure of it |
| 20:12 | just need to find it | |
| 20:12 | foxnorth | that would be awesome |
| 20:13 | here's what i did so far, for the fixed fields: http://takeyourchoice.net/demos/marc21.xml | |
| 20:13 | kados | thx |
| 20:14 | 404 not found | |
| 20:14 | hi Irma | |
| 20:14 | foxnorth | oops you need the perl script too, that sends that marc21.xml back to webapp: http://takeyourchoice.net/demo[…]tructureMarc21.pl |
| 20:14 | Irma | hi Joshua. |
| 20:15 | foxnorth | 404 for the marc21.xml?? doh |
| 20:15 | kados | foxnorth: now got both, structure loads, but get the same struct has no properties |
| 20:15 | weird | |
| 20:15 | gonna throw some alerts in | |
| 20:16 | foxnorth | kados: wierd. |
| 20:16 | kados: maybe try setting koha="false" in ? | |
| 20:16 | kados | req.responseXML is false |
| 20:16 | will do | |
| 20:17 | same deal | |
| 20:17 | hmmm | |
| 20:17 | foxnorth | wierd.....what else to try...? |
| 20:18 | kados | well I guess just backing up |
| 20:18 | who calls CheckRequest | |
| 20:18 | case 4 : CheckRequest(req); break; | |
| 20:18 | foxnorth | getStructure() |
| 20:20 | kados | alert(req.responseXML); |
| 20:20 | still null | |
| 20:20 | weird | |
| 20:20 | so how can it be null? | |
| 20:20 | foxnorth | i so wish firebug would work on initialization! :) |
| 20:21 | kados | is there a Data::Dumper equiv for javascript? |
| 20:21 | where I can see the whole object? | |
| 20:21 | foxnorth | brb |
| 20:26 | i don't know of anything quite like data::dumper for javascript. i know there are some javascript loggers out there, but i haven't played with them. venkman debugger is alright but clunky compare to firebug. live-http-headers are ok but still, not as much detail as firebug.... :( | |
| 20:27 | kados: can you paste in again the area of your opencataloger.xml? | |
| 20:27 | sorry the structure area | |
| 20:30 | kados | Error: struct has no properties |
| 20:30 | Source File: http://opencat.liblime.com/htdocs/scripts/help.js | |
| 20:30 | Line: 233 | |
| 20:30 | Error: struct has no properties | |
| 20:30 | Source File: http://opencat.liblime.com/htd[…]cripts/records.js | |
| 20:30 | Line: 270 | |
| 20:30 | that one? | |
| 20:30 | ahh, .xml | |
| 20:30 | <structure value="/cgi-bin/getStructureMarc21.pl" | |
| 20:30 | format="marc21" | |
| 20:30 | koha="false" | |
| 20:30 | encoding="UTF-8" | |
| 20:30 | charsubfield="‡" | |
| 20:30 | /> | |
| 20:31 | foxnorth | thanks |
| 20:32 | you've probly checked this, but getStructureMarc21.pl isn't dying on you for some reason, is it? like maybe a permissions problem? | |
| 20:33 | kados | foxnorth: http://opencat.liblime.com/cgi[…]tructureMarc21.pl |
| 20:34 | looks valid at first glance | |
| 20:34 | foxnorth | ah that link is asking my browser to download instead of executing... |
| 20:34 | kados | yea, but it downloads a xml file |
| 20:34 | foxnorth | whereas this one: http://takeyourchoice.net/demo[…]tructureMarc21.pl is correctly printing out the xml |
| 20:34 | kados | which is expected, right? |
| 20:35 | hmmm | |
| 20:35 | foxnorth | see what i mean? |
| 20:35 | kados | yea |
| 20:35 | wait | |
| 20:35 | hehe | |
| 20:35 | foxnorth | ok |
| 20:35 | kados | getStructureMarc21.pl for me is just an XML file :-) |
| 20:35 | maybe send me the .pl file via email? | |
| 20:36 | foxnorth | what?? |
| 20:36 | will do. | |
| 20:36 | kados | that's the prob I bet |
| 20:36 | wonder if that's why it won't save too | |
| 20:36 | foxnorth | bet you're right |
| 20:36 | well, i tried saving a few minutes back w/o luck. | |
| 20:38 | kados: email sent | |
| 20:38 | rch | is the mimetype set? |
| 20:39 | kados | hmmm |
| 20:39 | now it's downloading the script :/ | |
| 20:39 | wtf | |
| 20:39 | foxnorth | kados: still no dice? |
| 20:40 | you ran it from a shell to test? | |
| 20:40 | kados | instead of executing |
| 20:40 | foxnorth | as well? |
| 20:40 | kados | works from from the shell |
| 20:41 | foxnorth | does getStructureUnimarc.pl work from browser? |
| 20:41 | kados | nope |
| 20:41 | must be muy apache conf | |
| 20:41 | foxnorth | must be a server setup prob, no? |
| 20:41 | kados | ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/opencataloger "/opencat/opencataloger/cgi-bin/" |
| 20:42 | should that just be /cgi-bin? | |
| 20:42 | foxnorth | hhm lemme see |
| 20:43 | kados | hmmm |
| 20:43 | np | |
| 20:43 | nm even | |
| 20:43 | http://opencat.liblime.com/cgi[…]tructureMarc21.pl | |
| 20:43 | wrong path | |
| 20:43 | ok, so it prints | |
| 20:43 | (probably bad to have the cgi-bin avaialble from htdocs though! | |
| 20:43 | foxnorth | ah good. reload? |
| 20:43 | kados | no |
| 20:44 | foxnorth | yeah |
| 20:44 | kados | before I was just using /cgi-bin/ without opencataloger |
| 20:44 | foxnorth | yeah, bad to have it under htdocs i mean |
| 20:44 | kados | so it was just downloading |
| 20:44 | foxnorth | aha. so on reload does struct finally get defined? |
| 20:44 | kados | same damn error :( |
| 20:44 | foxnorth | aaah. you reloaded right? |
| 20:44 | kados | yea |
| 20:45 | shift-reload | |
| 20:45 | foxnorth | hhm. restarted apache i presume?? |
| 20:45 | kados | well, turned out that doesn't apply |
| 20:46 | cuz we were using the wrong path | |
| 20:46 | to begin with | |
| 20:46 | (just /cgi-bin) | |
| 20:46 | foxnorth | hhmm |
| 20:47 | kados | alert(req.responseXML); still null :/ |
| 20:47 | foxnorth | wierd. |
| 20:47 | kados | alert(adress) gives /cgi-bin/getStructureMarc21.pl |
| 20:48 | so that's right | |
| 20:48 | foxnorth | uh huh. looks right... |
| 20:48 | kados | wait |
| 20:48 | no it's not | |
| 20:48 | needs to be /cgi-bin/opencataloger/* | |
| 20:48 | right? | |
| 20:48 | foxnorth | yeah, now that you mention it! |
| 20:49 | kados | ok, that did it |
| 20:49 | foxnorth | i wonder what the default is in opencataloger.xml for the cgi dir... |
| 20:49 | kados | damn |
| 20:49 | user_error-- | |
| 20:49 | ok, now I'll try saving | |
| 20:49 | foxnorth | i remember having a little trouble getting opencat set the first (few) times. |
| 20:50 | ok i'll try as well. | |
| 20:51 | kados | just get processing... |
| 20:51 | then an error: | |
| 20:51 | Error: results has no properties | |
| 20:51 | Source File: http://opencat.liblime.com/htdocs/scripts/save.js | |
| 20:51 | Line: 96 | |
| 20:51 | foxnorth | i'm getting premature end of script headers from save.pl |
| 20:51 | kados | (also note, I switched back to getStructureFromKoha.pl and have an error there |
| 20:51 | brb | |
| 20:52 | http://opencat.liblime.com/cgi[…]uctureFromKoha.pl | |
| 20:52 | hmmm | |
| 20:52 | XML Parsing Error: undefined entity | |
| 20:52 | Location: http://opencat.liblime.com/cgi[…]uctureFromKoha.pl | |
| 20:52 | Line Number 11540, Column 42: | |
| 20:53 | why is it trying unimarc defs? | |
| 20:53 | hmmm | |
| 20:56 | foxnorth | kados: i don't know if this is affecting you yet, but i think there's an error in save.js. |
| 20:57 | at req.send(), save.js is trying to: marcflavour="+window.marcEncode. I don't think thsi marcEncode var exists. I just changed it to marcflavour="+MarcFormat+ ... | |
| 20:57 | kados | I'm still troubleshooting getStructureFromKoha.pl |
| 20:58 | ahh, nice one | |
| 20:59 | trying to figure out why it's pulling out french frameworks | |
| 20:59 | since I don't have any french frameworks | |
| 20:59 | :-) | |
| 21:00 | foxnorth | actually, i seem to recall being perplexed by this. but then i unset the koha params and forgot about it ! :( |
| 21:00 | guess i need to get koha set back up here | |
| 21:01 | kados | huh, seems tow ork properly from the command line, no french :-) |
| 21:02 | weird | |
| 21:02 | this makes no sense at all | |
| 21:03 | foxnorth | oh wait. are you looking at the help pane and seeing french help strings? |
| 21:03 | kados | no |
| 21:03 | http://opencat.liblime.com/cgi[…]uctureFromKoha.pl | |
| 21:03 | ^^ | |
| 21:03 | but almost | |
| 21:04 | if it wasn't throwing a xml parsing error, probably I would be | |
| 21:04 | foxnorth | if i'm not mistaken, i think it's pulling that from unimarc.xml. |
| 21:04 | kados | but why? |
| 21:05 | if I run from the command line it works fine | |
| 21:05 | foxnorth | but i haven't looked at getStructureFromKoha.pl itself yet. |
| 21:06 | kados | weird |
| 21:06 | the source actually looks fine | |
| 21:06 | ahh | |
| 21:06 | field 995 | |
| 21:07 | has some french in it | |
| 21:07 | hmmm | |
| 21:07 | foxnorth | hhhm. |
| 21:07 | kados | need to escape the & I guess? |
| 21:07 | foxnorth | seems like it. |
| 21:07 | kados | prolly just delete that 995 tag for now |
| 21:10 | http://opencat.liblime.com/cgi[…]uctureFromKoha.pl | |
| 21:10 | yay | |
| 21:11 | arrrg! | |
| 21:11 | still get struct is not defined! | |
| 21:12 | foxnorth | strange. |
| 21:13 | kados | alert(req.responseText); gives me back what looks like valid XML |
| 21:13 | hmmm | |
| 21:13 | foxnorth | interesting |
| 21:14 | kados | so now req isn't null |
| 21:14 | why would struct = req.responseXML not work? | |
| 21:14 | arrg | |
| 21:16 | well | |
| 21:16 | I've gotta eat | |
| 21:16 | be back later | |
| 21:18 | foxnorth | me too. i'll probably be back here tomorrow morning. if not, definately wed.... |
| 21:27 | rach | joshua - did you reply to jackson ray from the solomons? Wanted help with cataloguing |
| 22:48 | kados | rach: no, which one was that? |
| 22:49 | rach: (hi, by the way) | |
| 23:52 | thd | kados: have you found the French I put in the Koha MARC 21 bibliographic frameworks for field 995? :-) |
| 23:52 | kados | thd: hehe, yes :-) |
| 23:54 | thd | kados: field 995 may be more complete in the MARC 21 frameworks than it is in the UNIMARC frameworks. :) |
| 23:57 | HTML character entities also work equally well whether the web server is using ISO 8859-1 or UTF-8. | |
| 00:06 | kados: on the subject of bibliographic frameworks, MARBI update number 7 for MARC 21 has finally made it into the LC documentation with last year's date. | |
| 00:07 | kados: Therefore, the MARC 21 frameworks are now officially out of date. | |
| 00:10 | kados: However, the latest changes are the most modest ever http://www.loc.gov/marc/change[…]e_up7.html#biblio . | |
| 00:11 | kados | thd: many changes? |
| 00:11 | thd | no, very few look at the URL I just posted |
| 00:16 | We all really need a place for the machine readable coded form for the name of extraterrestrial body, 034 $z | |
| 00:17 | MARC has a place for everything, isn't it wonderful? | |
| 00:20 | The record editor needs a plugin for filling the new 034 $z :) | |
| 00:48 | kados | thd: did you see the pmesg i sent you? |
| 02:31 | chris | hi rach |
| 02:32 | rach | hi - Joshua some guy sent you and I a message asking for help with what particular fields - I was just going to direct him to the list |
| 02:32 | hi chris | |
| 02:33 | chris | to the list sounds like a good idea to me |
| 03:57 | thanks for the forward rach | |
| 03:59 | rach | np |
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