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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:00 | hdl | hi |
| 12:00 | dewey | hi, hdl |
| 15:22 | paul | kados around ? |
| 15:24 | kados | hi paul |
| 15:31 | hdl | hi kados |
| 15:31 | kados | hi hdl |
| 15:32 | paul | kados : a zebra question : |
| 15:32 | I have some problems I don't remember having before... | |
| 15:32 | I have : | |
| 15:32 | - zebra 2.0.12 | |
| 15:32 | - record.abs containing : | |
| 15:32 | melm 200$atitle:w,title:p,title:s | |
| 15:33 | melm 606subject-heading,subject-heading:p | |
| 15:33 | searching for a word in the title DON'T WORK | |
| 15:33 | searching for a word in subject WORK | |
| 15:33 | (knowing that I do a kw search everytime) | |
| 15:33 | it seems that melm 200$f don't work where 606 works | |
| 15:34 | kados | huh? |
| 15:34 | paul | and it's the same for all my melm FFF$S and FFF lines |
| 15:34 | kados | wow, that's really strange |
| 15:34 | it should only happen with | |
| 15:34 | 200$a | |
| 15:34 | 200 | |
| 15:34 | ie, the same tag | |
| 15:34 | but not for other tags! | |
| 15:34 | paul | ??? |
| 15:35 | http://o9.bureau.paulpoulain.com/ui/main.xul | |
| 15:35 | search for "réforme". you'll find 5 answers, including : | |
| 15:35 | kados | 0 results |
| 15:35 | paul | retry |
| 15:35 | kados | (still no leaders or fixed fields in opencataloger? |
| 15:36 | ok, 5 results | |
| 15:36 | paul | (zebra was down, now it's up) |
| 15:36 | so, search for "réforme" => 5 answers including "Mémoires historiques" | |
| 15:36 | search for "Mémoires" => no answers ! | |
| 15:36 | kados | ok |
| 15:37 | right | |
| 15:37 | very strange | |
| 15:39 | paul: do you have plans to add fixed fields and leader to opencataloger? | |
| 15:39 | paul | they are already here. fixed fields sure & leader I have to test, but if they are not, it's a bug. |
| 15:39 | kados | ahh, but no plugin for fixed fields, eh? |
| 15:40 | paul | which ones ? |
| 15:40 | kados | or leader |
| 15:40 | any? | |
| 15:40 | paul | 100 in unimarc is a ff |
| 15:40 | and you can see that there is a plugin | |
| 15:40 | 100 $a => look at the small ... | |
| 15:40 | (on the right) | |
| 15:40 | (should work with MARC21 plugins as well) | |
| 15:41 | for leader, I'll ask toins, because it seems it don't work. but I asked him and we spoke of this. So they should just be hidden somewhere ;-) | |
| 15:41 | kados | I don't understand |
| 15:41 | how do I go from results to edit? | |
| 15:42 | also, what if I have content that contains a $? | |
| 15:42 | paul | clic on the small image on the right of the entry |
| 15:42 | kados | for instance, often in MARC21 we have $21.00 |
| 15:42 | paul | clic on the small image on the right of the result entry |
| 15:42 | kados | for money |
| 15:42 | ahh, I see | |
| 15:42 | paul | I don't think we manage $ as USD, you're right :-( |
| 15:43 | kados | there are more useful characters for subfield designation IIRC |
| 15:43 | ‡ for instance | |
| 15:43 | I think that's becoming the convention | |
| 15:43 | paul | how do you do this char on a french keyboard... |
| 15:44 | kados | you use javascript to have an escape sequence to create it |
| 15:44 | something like CTRL-s or something | |
| 15:44 | the idea being, don't use a character that is also content | |
| 15:45 | paul | our "problem" is that $ is never a content in France ;-) |
| 15:45 | kados | otherwise, it could be a problem if you have content with that character |
| 15:45 | it is valid content | |
| 15:45 | even in France :-) | |
| 15:45 | ‡ is not valid for MARC content (at least in MARC-8) | |
| 15:45 | paul | yes, but never needed. that's probably why nobody care using it as subfield separator. |
| 15:46 | (afaik for french libraries) | |
| 15:46 | kados | http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/2xx/245.shtm |
| 15:47 | OCLC seems to use ‡ | |
| 15:48 | anyway | |
| 15:51 | paul | kados : which zebra/yas version do you use at NPL & other dev_week user ? |
| 15:51 | kados | 2.0.12 at NPL |
| 15:52 | cm | hi guys...looks like i have yaz 2.1.22 & zebra 1.3.44 |
| 15:52 | paul | hi cindy. quite old versions... |
| 15:53 | cm | yeah...but they still work. ;) |
| 15:53 | hdl | how do you call this sign ? |
| 15:53 | paul | for sure ! |
| 15:53 | hdl | ‡ |
| 15:54 | jaron | ‡ is called a double dagger in English if that helps. |
| 15:54 | kados | cm: IIRC, there is a update bug in zebra 1.3 that wasn't ever fixed except in 2.0 |
| 15:54 | hdl | ok. thanks. (It could help in lectures) |
| 15:54 | kados | hdl: http://www.zvon.org/other/char[…]2021&searchType=3 |
| 15:54 | cm | hi kados...what was the bug? |
| 15:55 | kados | cm: well, we never were able to figure out what triggered it, but it would cause the index to get corrupted |
| 15:55 | cm | not good... |
| 15:55 | kados | cm: and updates after that would fail, necessitating a re-index |
| 15:56 | cm | that might explain some things. |
| 15:56 | kados | cm: 2.0's been running stably for a while (though paul may have discovered a bug today) |
| 15:56 | cm | i could try it out on my test server first. |
| 15:56 | kados | while being several months with no crashes |
| 15:56 | cm | that's good. |
| 15:56 | kados | there are a couple minor changes to make to the config files |
| 15:56 | lemme find a reference | |
| 15:56 | cm | ok. |
| 15:57 | kados | http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]de.tkl?skin=print |
| 15:57 | cm | thanks. |
| 15:57 | kados | after you upgrade, change the config files, and re-index |
| 15:57 | should be good to go | |
| 15:58 | (except note paul's problem might be an issue with the most recent version) | |
| 15:58 | paul: I'd suggest you write a mail to the zebralist asking if it's a bug | |
| 15:58 | paul | I don't think so, because I have 2.0.12 as you |
| 15:58 | kados | paul: it sounds like a bug to me |
| 15:58 | ahh | |
| 15:58 | paul | but i'm writing a mail to zebralist anyway |
| 15:58 | kados | *nod* |
| 16:00 | cm | i might wait until next week...we're finally migrating this weekend, and i want to have time to test before upgrading. |
| 16:00 | paul | cm is wise... |
| 16:00 | cm | :) |
| 17:15 | kados | cm: still there? |
| 17:15 | dewey | well, there is no spoon |
| 17:15 | kados | cm: I'd recommend sending that announcement to the code4lib, perld4lib, web4lib, ngc4lib lists as well |
| 17:32 | cm | hey kados, i'm back. |
| 17:33 | i sent it to web4lib & oss4lib; i'm not on the other ones. | |
| 17:35 | kados | cm: any response yet? |
| 17:36 | cm | i haven't heard anything. |
| 17:36 | kados | cm: did anyone at the wellington public library contact you yet? |
| 17:36 | cm: they said they were planning a site visit to meadville | |
| 17:36 | cm | we've had 6 responses on the survey so far. |
| 17:36 | kados | ahh, great! |
| 17:37 | jaron | cm: perl4lib would be a good one for anyone running a Koha installation to be on. When Perl modules used by Koha and Evergreen get fixes it seems to get posted to perl4lib. |
| 17:37 | kados | jaron: yep |
| 17:37 | cm | wellington....i don't think so. |
| 17:37 | thanks jaron. | |
| 17:37 | i'll have to subscribe & post it. | |
| 17:47 | kados, where is wellington? maybe they contacted johnb. | |
| 17:49 | kados | wellington new zealand? |
| 17:49 | ahh, right | |
| 17:49 | it's not wellington | |
| 17:49 | worthington :-) | |
| 17:50 | worthington is in ohio | |
| 17:50 | worthingtonlibraries.org | |
| 18:07 | cm | you never know, there *could* be a wellington, ohio. ;) |
| 18:08 | owen | Google says yes :) |
| 18:08 | cm | yay google. ;) |
| 18:12 | anyway, i think they might have contacted john. i'm pretty sure he said *somebody* had contacted him about visiting us. | |
| 18:13 | don't remember who though. all my brain cells are directed towards migration, lately. :P | |
| 20:12 | johnb | Kados you around? |
| 20:13 | kados | johnb: yep |
| 20:13 | johnb: what's up? | |
| 20:14 | johnb | Kados: The Ashtabual County Library System is coming here for a site viisit |
| 20:14 | Kados sorry Ashtabula | |
| 20:14 | kados | johnb: ahh, right, maybe that was the group |
| 20:14 | there are too many to remember them all :-) | |
| 20:14 | johnb | I was told six libraries |
| 20:14 | I am also talking to the the Libraries in Washington County PA next week | |
| 20:14 | dewey | okay, johnb. |
| 20:14 | kados | johnb: cool |
| 20:15 | johnb | People are starting to call ne now:) |
| 20:15 | kados | hehe, excellent! |
| 20:15 | johnb | I will try to get a web page up by the end of the week on the users group meeting |
| 20:16 | kados | johnb++ |
| 20:59 | chris | morning |
| 07:12 | toins | hi all |
| 11:49 | kyle | hey all, to anybody up at this hour ; ) |
| 11:52 | paul | hello kyle |
| 11:53 | in France, it's almost 2PM | |
| 11:53 | kyle | hello. |
| 11:53 | paul | ppl are back from lunch |
| 11:53 | kyle | heh, here it's so early that I'm the only one at the library. |
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