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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:58 | thd | hdl: are you present? |
| 12:58 | hdl | my internet connection is |
| 12:59 | ... fuzzing. | |
| 12:59 | I may quit unexpectedly. | |
| 12:59 | But yes. | |
| 13:00 | thd | hdl: does FRANTIQ have a Z39.50 server? |
| 13:00 | hdl | Not Yet. |
| 13:00 | With rel30 may be. | |
| 13:01 | thd | hdl: are you planning to move them to rel_30 ? |
| 13:01 | hdl | Yes But When it is rock stable |
| 13:02 | thd | hdl: do you know of any UNIMARC Z39.50 authority record targets? I need to test my application but I have no UNIMARC targets to use for testing. |
| 16:12 | kados: are you there? | |
| 16:12 | kados | thd: I'm at code4lib conference |
| 16:12 | thd | kados: what subject? |
| 16:13 | kados | thd: library-in-a-box just finished up |
| 16:14 | thd | kados:so if you are finished do you have a moment? |
| 16:18 | kados::sorry, I forgot that meant that you are away at the conference event | |
| 18:50 | kados? | |
| 18:50 | dewey | rumour has it kados is helping us LibLime folk with something at the moment |
| 18:50 | thd | dewey how old is you rumour? |
| 18:50 | dewey | thd: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:51 | thd | quit |
| 19:02 | Lea | evening/morning. I guessed more would be on at this time of night/day :D |
| 19:03 | Is there a "standard" for Subjects? Or should I just let the librarians use anything? | |
| 19:03 | chris | there are standards |
| 19:03 | Library of congress has some, but they will all have the wrong spellings for you :) | |
| 19:04 | im sure the National Libraries in the UK must have a set of subject headings too? | |
| 19:04 | thd | although LC manaiNa |
| 19:04 | Lea | ok. I tell you my situation, I'm migrating data that has NO subject data. I can do mappings based on existing keywords but would like a list that the librarians can choose from in ambiguous cases. So I'd like a standard list of Subjects. |
| 19:05 | uk National Library want to charge for MARC21 data! I was shocked! | |
| 19:05 | chris | oh yeah the NZ national library do it too |
| 19:05 | in fact most of them do | |
| 19:05 | Lea | really hard to find MARC21 z39 servers in the UK |
| 19:05 | chris | yep |
| 19:05 | the universities might be your best bet | |
| 19:05 | Lea | everyone is SUTRS mad |
| 19:06 | i was hoping to throw all my ISBNs at a bunch of servers and problem soved... | |
| 19:06 | chris | right |
| 19:06 | thd | Lea: LCSH has been adopted as a standard at the British Library since they abandoned PRECIS and COMPASS |
| 19:07 | chris | american spellings and all thd? or do they have LCSH version with english english? :-) |
| 19:07 | Lea | talking of which, i got some nice code linking up pyMARC and pyZ3950 which can pull in all MARC21 data for an isbn and you can access the tags like record["245"]["a"] |
| 19:07 | thd | Lea: Oxford has a public Z39.50 server |
| 19:07 | Lea | oxford? |
| 19:07 | I'll have a search | |
| 19:08 | thd | Lea: Oxford University I meant |
| 19:08 | Lea | I have this problem with the barcodes in that some servers have the same books listed under different barcodes. I'm not a librarian, therefore was totally foxed by this problem |
| 19:09 | so I'm looking for 12 digit barcode, nothing. Search by title and get the book under a different barcode. | |
| 19:09 | *13 digit | |
| 19:09 | thd | Lea: I can give you the configuration data for Oxford Universities server |
| 19:11 | s/ties/ty's/ | |
| 19:14 | Lea | i done it. Thanks |
| 19:14 | again, searching on title gave me a hit | |
| 19:15 | searching on isbn didn't | |
| 19:17 | thanks for the oxford uni tip. I think that might do it. | |
| 19:17 | thd | Lea: Do you have this library.ox.ac.uk:210/ADVANCE ? |
| 19:17 | Lea | yeah |
| 19:17 | thanks | |
| 19:19 | Here's my idea: 1. Load in the existing MARC21 data (a bit rubbish) 2. Search oxford on ISBN. If that works, import data and overwrite fields in existing data. If it fails, search by title. return a list of records and store in database. The librarians can then use a simple web ui to select the correct books if multiple hits on title. Sound reasonable? | |
| 19:19 | thd | Lea: I would very much like to know the current Z39.50 connection information for Cambridge University libraries. My information is incorrect for them. |
| 19:20 | Lea | I used the same info as you did |
| 19:20 | conn = zoom.Connection ('library.ox.ac.uk',210) | |
| 19:20 | conn.databaseName = 'ADVANCE' | |
| 19:20 | query = zoom.Query ('CCL', 'isbn=9781904570011') | |
| 19:20 | res = conn.search (query) | |
| 19:20 | that worked for me | |
| 19:21 | what are you using to access it? | |
| 19:21 | thd | Lea: yes Oxford works but my information for Cambridge is incorrect. |
| 19:21 | Lea | ah, misread. It's late here :) |
| 19:21 | thd | Lea: matching on ISBN alone is very unreliable |
| 19:22 | Lea: i have created a special application for doing what you intend | |
| 19:23 | Lea | ?? |
| 19:23 | I've had 2 direct hits on title now | |
| 19:26 | thd: what is this application you speak of? | |
| 19:30 | thd | Lea: you need to search on multiple fields simultaneously for a reliable match |
| 19:30 | Lea: how many records do you need to upgrade? | |
| 19:31 | Lea | let me thjink |
| 19:31 | I think it's around 16,000 | |
| 19:31 | no, must be less | |
| 19:31 | ... I'll say that to be on the safe side | |
| 19:32 | thd | Lea: I have an application for doing that automatically from the data in existing records. |
| 19:33 | l | |
| 19:33 | Lea | wow, this gets better by the minute :D |
| 19:35 | thd | Lea: my application works well but has not yet been ported to Perl and Koha because the new Perl Z39.50 module had not been written when i first started |
| 19:37 | Lea: I matched about 80% of the records in a small native American Library using the application in the spring | |
| 19:39 | Lea: Most of the other 20% were specific reorts on that tribe and just impossible to find in another collection | |
| 19:39 | s/reorts/reports/ | |
| 19:42 | Lea | ah ok |
| 19:42 | you were looking for american books? | |
| 19:43 | thd | Lea: I have almost all known public UK Z39.50 servers in the client to which I gave you the link |
| 19:44 | Lea: at the bottom of the form is a list of targets | |
| 19:44 | Lea | superb. I have asked you a Q in PM |
| 19:46 | thd | Lea: University of London usually rejects the connection, the British Library requires a password for MARC records |
| 19:48 | Lea: the rest should work fine except for Cambridge University as I already stated | |
| 19:50 | Lea | http://www.hero.ac.uk/uk/refer[…]cambridge4579.cfm |
| 19:52 | wow i really have to go to bed. NN all. Thanks thd. I think that will be a great asset | |
| 21:21 | thd | chris: do you know who Lea is? |
| 21:21 | chris | someone from wales :) |
| 21:23 | thd | chris: Lea wanted me to send something via email but I kept losing the connection from my friend's apartment and I missed her request until she had logged off #koha. |
| 21:24 | chris | right |
| 21:24 | tnb | chris: hey :) |
| 21:24 | chris | heya tina |
| 21:24 | tnb | how's it going? |
| 21:24 | chris | thd: dunno her email address im afraid |
| 21:24 | thd | thanks chris |
| 21:24 | chris | tnb:good thanks, friday aftenoon .. hows things there? |
| 21:25 | tnb | pretty good, i'm creating a profile of 'koha users' |
| 21:25 | so that is quite a task ;) | |
| 21:25 | chris | i bet |
| 21:25 | tnb | i heard a rumor that toledo diocese were goign live today, did you hear that rumor? |
| 21:25 | :) | |
| 21:26 | thd | tnb: do you mean librarians or patrons? |
| 21:26 | tnb | thd: libraries :) |
| 21:26 | chris | well i uploaded their circ data today, so i think they did tnb |
| 21:26 | tnb | cool. |
| 21:27 | thd: i've been sending out some emails to 'fill in the blanks' and get some of the information that isn't on the koha users wiki | |
| 21:27 | stats, etc | |
| 21:28 | there's still alot of work to do on that front | |
| 21:28 | thd | tnb: Do you know if kados is accessable via cellphone at the code4lib conference? |
| 21:31 | tnb | thd: he has alot of meetings this evening, so he might have it off |
| 21:31 | you could try though | |
| 21:32 | thd | tnb: I assume that he attending the conference and that there is no exhibition space. is that correct? |
| 21:41 | tnb | thd: yes, that is correct |
| 21:42 | rch | :q |
| 21:42 | wrong window :) :wq | |
| 21:44 | thd | tnb: I wanted to ask him to collect some information from one of the presentations tomorrow |
| 21:49 | tnb | thd: probably an email would work. I'm sure he'll check it several times before tomorrow ;) |
| 21:53 | thd | tnb: thanks, I thought he might ignore email at the conference. However, I should not assume that my habbits are his. |
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