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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 06:09 | Lea | hi |
| 06:09 | dewey | what's up, Lea |
| 06:09 | Lea | oh hi Dewey. Not bad. Just got in after the weekend |
| 06:09 | monday mornings :( | |
| 06:10 | I popped on because I realised that this data mapping is a little bit os a nightmare and was after info regarding Z39 servers | |
| 06:11 | I'm going to be losing a lot of data with this migration and I'm thinking z39 might help with that. I tried unsuccessfully to connect to a server. I'm wondering if the server opens up a port back on your machine or if it uses an open connection (like http) | |
| 06:12 | guess i'm just wondering if i need to change my firewall policies | |
| 06:16 | chris | open connection like http |
| 06:16 | easiest test is to use yaz-client | |
| 06:17 | ie | |
| 06:18 | yaz-client z3950.loc.gov:7090 | |
| 06:18 | if that works on the koha server .. then the z3950 client in koha oughta work | |
| 06:19 | or for one closer to you ... yaz-client library.ox.ac.uk:210 | |
| 06:22 | Lea | ok thanks chris |
| 06:23 | is it like DNS where unknown books will be forwarded on or is it a case of "not in outr library. computer says no" | |
| 06:25 | chris | computer says no ..... *cough* |
| 06:25 | Lea | so is it of limited use then? |
| 06:26 | chris | but koha lets you specify lots of servers |
| 06:26 | Lea | ah ok |
| 06:26 | chris | and it can try them all |
| 06:26 | Lea | i guess you just need to put in some BIG libraries |
| 06:26 | chris | yeah, british national library |
| 06:26 | library of congress etc | |
| 06:26 | Lea | hey chris, thanks for the pointers. I'm going to try it. It searches on ISBN right? |
| 06:26 | chris | they carry catalogue records even if they dont carry the actual items |
| 06:27 | yeah thats the easiest | |
| 06:27 | Lea | ah cool |
| 06:27 | chris | title works too |
| 06:27 | but you get lots of false positives with the title | |
| 06:27 | Lea | is there a way i can automate this? I mean, i have a lot of ISBN numbers |
| 06:27 | chris | yeah im sure you could shell script it |
| 06:28 | Lea | ok, what are the scripts I should look at? |
| 06:28 | chris | youd probably have to do it from scratch |
| 06:28 | basically what you want is to just grab marc records | |
| 06:29 | and then you can use bulkmarcimport.pl to load them into koha | |
| 06:29 | so some kinda script that reads a file of isbn's | |
| 06:29 | Lea | yes, ok. How should i make the z39 call or do i need to write a library to do that? :) |
| 06:29 | chris | querys some z3950 server(s) and writes the marc to another file |
| 06:29 | id use ZOOM | |
| 06:30 | Lea | actually, yes this is slightly more complicated |
| 06:30 | because I'll have to get the MARC file, copy only those fields I want to keep, then write out the "localised" version | |
| 06:30 | chris | yep |
| 06:31 | Lea | otherwise it wont import into the framework |
| 06:31 | chris | yep |
| 06:31 | Lea | ok, cool man. Looks like I have a busy day :D |
| 06:31 | chris | :) |
| 06:31 | Lea | i wonder if there is a zoom library port to python |
| 06:31 | chris | bound to be |
| 06:31 | theres one for ruby | |
| 06:32 | Lea | oh, there was one other unrelated question going though my head: I wondered if anyone had integrated koha into Joomla! or any other CMS? |
| 06:32 | chris | if you like python, you'd like ruby :) |
| 06:32 | integrated in what way? | |
| 06:32 | Lea | yeah, it's something I'm meaning to look at but I'm in LOVE with python :D |
| 06:32 | chris | using a cms to publish digital documents then catalogue them with koha? |
| 06:32 | Lea | yeah |
| 06:32 | chris | in that case, yep |
| 06:33 | katipo have done that with our cms | |
| 06:33 | Lea | it's just that for library staff, a CMS is way easier to manage |
| 06:33 | ok, did they do integration magic or simply have the koha pages in an iframe? | |
| 06:34 | chris | magic |
| 06:34 | (i did it :)) | |
| 06:35 | basically you add the document n the cms and then it redirects to koha, passing over info like the url, size, author, title etc | |
| 06:35 | Lea | oh right! do you mind if i ask you what CMS? |
| 06:35 | chris | one we wrote ourselves years ago |
| 06:35 | kea | |
| 06:35 | Lea | oh ok |
| 06:35 | chris | its backended with cvs |
| 06:35 | Lea | cool! |
| 06:36 | so was it a fire and forget from the CMS->Koha or did you get the koha pages to talk back to the CMS? | |
| 06:36 | chris | yep |
| 06:36 | Lea | http://zoom.z3950.org/bind/python/ :D :D :D |
| 06:36 | chris | when you deleted it from koha you could delete it from the cms too |
| 06:36 | Lea | ok |
| 06:38 | chris | wouldnt be hard to do with something like drupal or joomla |
| 06:38 | Lea | ok |
| 06:38 | chris | its all a matter of time |
| 06:38 | Lea | can you simply call the perl scripts independantly? thus making your own front end? |
| 06:38 | chris | yep |
| 06:39 | Lea | I just think Joomla would be an easy way for the library staff to manage notices, opening times, etc |
| 06:39 | chris | oh that |
| 06:39 | thats even easier | |
| 06:39 | i was meaning using koha to handle docs and pdf's etc | |
| 06:39 | Lea | no no |
| 06:40 | chris | all you need to do then |
| 06:40 | Lea | just using a CMS as an intranet type thing, then integrating koha into that |
| 06:40 | but i didn't want EVERYTHING to do with koha inside an iframe | |
| 06:40 | chris | is let the cms control the templates |
| 06:40 | or at least some files which the templates include | |
| 06:40 | Lea | yeah, that's what I'm asking really. Is there some docs on the input/output params of the perl scripts? |
| 06:41 | chris | its html |
| 06:41 | html::template | |
| 06:41 | Lea | ah ok, so with GET/POST variables? |
| 06:41 | chris | yep |
| 06:42 | Lea | great stuff. Is there docs on that or am i "using the source"? :D |
| 06:42 | chris | or just use the cms to edit the templates, dont touch koha |
| 06:42 | Lea | yeah, i wouldn't |
| 06:43 | hey chris, thanks mate. much appreciated. | |
| 06:43 | chris | no worries |
| 06:43 | now its time for me to go to sleep | |
| 06:43 | Lea | where are you? |
| 06:43 | chris | new zealand |
| 06:43 | Lea | ah, yes. I may be moving to Australia soon |
| 06:44 | chris | bah ... australia :) |
| 06:44 | Lea | hehe |
| 06:44 | i do want to visit NZ though. It's more like home to me | |
| 06:44 | People say it's a lot like Wales | |
| 06:45 | chris | yep, a little more temperate |
| 06:45 | Lea | sounds good to me :D |
| 06:45 | it would also give me the chance to support a decent rugby team :D :D :D | |
| 06:45 | chris | heh |
| 06:45 | just dont support australia | |
| 06:46 | Lea | ok, i promise :D |
| 06:46 | chris | i support 2 teams, nz and anyone playing australia |
| 06:46 | Lea | ah |
| 06:46 | i support 2 teams to | |
| 06:46 | chris | wales and anyone playing england? |
| 06:46 | Lea | Wales and anyone playing the saxons |
| 06:46 | :D | |
| 06:47 | i really know where you're coming from. Just think if you had to abide by Oz laws and use Oz money! | |
| 06:47 | them rugby games take on a whole new dimension! | |
| 06:47 | chris | hehe |
| 06:48 | lots of scots or descendants of scots in nz | |
| 06:48 | Lea | ah right |
| 06:49 | chris | so they say the same thing :) |
| 06:49 | Lea | yeah, i can imagine. Them lucky gits got their own money and law making powers though :( |
| 06:49 | chris | yeah only took what 300 years ? :) |
| 06:50 | Lea | anyway, i'm aware this is OT and I don't _generally_ have any hard feelings. |
| 06:50 | (Believe that you'll believe anything!) | |
| 06:50 | chris | heh |
| 06:50 | Lea | have a good sleep man :D |
| 06:50 | chris | thanks, good luck |
| 06:50 | with the marc/z3950 | |
| 06:50 | Lea | i have to sort out a routing issue :( |
| 06:51 | i can ping servers but wget is failing on routing :( | |
| 06:51 | madness | |
| 06:51 | nn | |
| 09:44 | if anyone is awake: can i add biblios via the z39 servers? | |
| 10:00 | kados | Lea: morning |
| 10:00 | Lea: you can use the Z39.50 search integrated into the MARC editor to find records and import them into the editor | |
| 10:01 | hdl | hi kados. |
| 10:01 | kados | hi hld |
| 10:01 | hdl even :-) | |
| 10:03 | Lea | hi kados |
| 10:04 | I'll give it a go | |
| 10:04 | Under biblio framework? | |
| 10:06 | kados: are you saying you need to have the marc record already? i'm confused | |
| 10:07 | kados | Lea: there's an integrated MARC editor in koha, haven't you seen that? |
| 10:09 | Lea | yes, however you need the marc record to exist first. What I'm looking for is pulling in records via the z39 server. I can script this with books as they have a unique ISBN, but video/music items will have to be searched on title, producing lots of results. I wondered if there was an "online importer" in koha |
| 10:09 | kados | Lea: you don't need the marc record to exist first to use the marc editor |
| 10:10 | Lea: koha.liblime.com -> click on 'MARC Editor' -> type something in the ISBN and click 'Z39.50 Search' at the top | |
| 10:10 | Lea | ah ok. I'll try it |
| 10:10 | i didn't notice the editor in the menus | |
| 10:11 | ie, it's not there. I can only access after a search | |
| 10:11 | kados | ? |
| 10:11 | Lea | ah, superb! |
| 10:12 | add biblio->empty biblio gets me ther | |
| 10:13 | i wonder if there is a z39 server for media | |
| 10:14 | ah, amazon :D | |
| 10:28 | kados | hdl: now I'm having strange cvs probs |
| 10:28 | hdl: I reverted search.pl but it won' let me commit :( | |
| 10:31 | hdl: yea, it doesn't let me commit, exits with no error | |
| 10:31 | I did: | |
| 10:31 | cvs update -j 1.3.2.14 -j 1.3.2.15 search.pl | |
| 10:32 | which reverted the version | |
| 10:32 | then I did: | |
| 10:32 | mv search.pl /new/repo/koha/z3950/search.pl | |
| 10:32 | cd /new/repo/koha/z3950 | |
| 10:32 | cvs commit search.pl | |
| 10:32 | hdl: any ideas? | |
| 10:34 | hdl | Changing forge again ? :D |
| 10:34 | kados | ok, this time it worked |
| 10:34 | hdl | Good. |
| 10:34 | kados | I'll document how I did it on koha-devel |
| 10:40 | hdl: it still works strangely for me | |
| 10:40 | hdl: now I'm using the reverted search.pl and searchresult.tmpl from default | |
| 10:40 | hdl: a title search on tom sawyer returns strange results | |
| 10:40 | hdl | Can you give some more information ? |
| 10:41 | kados | sure |
| 10:41 | target is LOC | |
| 10:41 | results I get back are: | |
| 10:41 | 10 days to a more powerful vocabulary / | |
| 10:41 | 10 minute guide to selling (just about) anything / | |
| 10:41 | 10 minute guide to time management / | |
| 10:41 | etc | |
| 10:41 | hmmm | |
| 10:42 | title is reported as 'tom' with awarn | |
| 10:42 | when I warn I mean | |
| 10:42 | so both terms aren't captured | |
| 10:42 | hdl | only the firs term is taken ? |
| 10:42 | kados | yep |
| 10:42 | hdl | Should have been corrected. |
| 10:44 | kados | strange |
| 10:45 | cvs seems to have a prob | |
| 10:45 | hdl: do you see my commit message? | |
| 10:45 | hdl: it's not linked to rel_2_2 tag! | |
| 10:46 | hdl | yes :( |
| 10:46 | kados | savannah-- |
| 10:46 | unless I committed wrong | |
| 10:46 | perhaps my cvs -A changed the branch to HEAD | |
| 10:47 | Entries has no tag | |
| 10:47 | :( | |
| 10:47 | wtf! | |
| 10:50 | hdl: I need to go to the office (still at home) | |
| 10:50 | hdl | be careful on the roads. |
| 10:50 | kados | hdl: I tried manually copying the reverted search.pl into my install and it still has the same prob |
| 10:50 | hdl: so I'm not sure cvs update -j 1.3.2.14 -j 1.3.2.15 search.pl actually worked | |
| 10:51 | hdl | I shall revert the file. |
| 10:51 | kados | hdl: thx, and sorry |
| 10:51 | hdl | No problem |
| 10:51 | kados | hdl: can you tell koha-devel how you did it ? |
| 10:51 | hdl | ok |
| 10:56 | paul is 4 times' DADDY | |
| 10:57 | Matthieu was borne yesterday morning at 11 am (Church Time in France :D ) | |
| 10:57 | He weighted 3kg500 |
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