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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:29 | Lea | anyone awake? :) |
| 11:30 | paul | Lea: in france, yes |
| 11:32 | Lea | hi paul. |
| 11:32 | Do you know if addingbooks to koha can be made simpler? MARC21 editing is very daunting for people coming from a simple (rubbish) windows system. | |
| 11:33 | paul | HideMarc=On in sytempreferences + a small framework is a good 1st start |
| 11:33 | Lea | small framework? |
| 11:33 | paul | HideMarc will hide MARC specific code & features like reordering |
| 11:33 | then, in cataloguing framework, you can define only 10-20 fields that you want to use | |
| 11:34 | you don't have to use the complete marc21 framework ! | |
| 11:34 | (fortunatly) | |
| 11:41 | Lea | right, let me get this right, you tell koha which fields you want to use? |
| 11:41 | (BTW: Thanks for your time :) | |
| 11:42 | paul | which MARC field you want to use, yes |
| 11:42 | 83 | |
| 12:03 | Lea | excellent, sounds like just what i need. Tried setting up evergreen. What a nightmare. I'm giving up on it and now it's koha all the way! |
| 12:04 | paul | evergeen is for very large consortiums, not for single branch libraries |
| 12:04 | (or small consortiums) | |
| 12:06 | Lea | well, we have 5 branches spread out geographically |
| 12:06 | i need to restart gaim. Bbiab | |
| 12:07 | paul | koha largest libraries have 10 branches |
| 12:52 | Lea | paul, I've set the hide mark flag. Is there any documentation on how to build up a small framework? |
| 12:54 | paul | Lea: don't use the "hide" flag, use the "Ignore" in tab list |
| 12:54 | hide means you manage the marc field, but you don't show it | |
| 12:54 | ignore in the tab list means you completly ignore the field | |
| 12:55 | I have some libraries that have frameworks for website that contains just 3 fields : | |
| 12:55 | - site name | |
| 12:55 | - url | |
| 12:55 | - keywords | |
| 13:32 | Lea | paul: thanks |
| 13:33 | which tab list is that paul? soory :) | |
| 13:34 | paul | when you edit a subfield, you can choose in which tab the subfield appear |
| 13:34 | (between 0 and 10, 10 being writte 'items') | |
| 13:35 | you also have the value "ignore". | |
| 13:35 | meaning you ignore this subfield in this framework. | |
| 13:57 | thd | Lea: have you seen the context sensitive help in the frameworks editor? |
| 13:57 | Lea | oh ok. i didn't see that |
| 13:57 | thd: no i didnt! is it there? | |
| 13:57 | paul | do you use default or npl theme ? |
| 13:58 | default => HELP button, on top right | |
| 13:58 | NPL => [?] on top right too | |
| 13:59 | thd | Lea: each screen has a different help file or none at all. |
| 14:07 | paul: I assume the code which pierrick intended to write to capture updated help files from a special help file location in the wiki was never written. | |
| 14:07 | paul | thd+++ |
| 14:08 | Lea | ah just seen it. how stupid of me. :) I've been trying the z39.50 searches. Looks good, hover I'm getting: Premature end of script headers: search.pl. Any ideas? Thanks guys... |
| 14:08 | *however | |
| 14:10 | hmm.. that's interesting... there are z39.50 options files in both the cgi-bin directory and intranet/scripts/z3950 | |
| 14:10 | paul | which version do you use ? |
| 14:10 | thd | paul: do you remember about pierrick's scheme to have the help file updating from the wiki? |
| 14:12 | Lea | 2.2.7 |
| 14:15 | paul | so, the scripts in scripts/z3950 are now useless |
| 14:15 | thd | paul: are they still part of a new installation? |
| 14:16 | Lea | ok, so i concentrate on the cgi-bin directory? |
| 14:16 | paul | thd : i thought no, but maybe some things remains |
| 14:16 | Lea: yep | |
| 14:19 | thd | Lea: you have the easier version for Z39.50 access but I have no practical experience debugging Zoom connections in the new version. |
| 14:20 | Lea | is there a doc on how to setup this? i'm kinda guessing atm |
| 14:21 | thd | Lea: i assume that you configured a known good target database for the connection |
| 14:23 | Lea | yes i have |
| 14:24 | thd | Lea what errors are reported in the error log? |
| 14:25 | Lea | premeture end of script headers |
| 14:25 | i have a feeling its a broken server | |
| 14:25 | is there a known one you guys use for testing? | |
| 14:26 | there is one on the docs screenshot :) | |
| 14:27 | thd | Lea: the testing installations of Koha do not have Z39.50 services enabled unless you are considering contracting support services and have your own special testing installation. |
| 14:28 | Lea | heh, guess not |
| 14:29 | thd | Lea: Are there any error messages appearing before the premature end of script headers message? |
| 14:32 | Lea | nope - there was about a css file, but i fixed that (intranet-main.css needs to be intranet.css - i made a softlink) |
| 14:33 | i have an idea | |
| 14:41 | strace no help :( | |
| 14:42 | Connect failed (10000) 147.143.2.5:210 | |
| 14:42 | that'll be it | |
| 14:48 | it's a routing problem. Ok, i have to go. Thanks for your time once again! :) | |
| 15:00 | tumer | hdl:around? |
| 16:13 | cm | hi, rch |
| 16:13 | i just tested your fixes for apostrophes & carriage returns..nice! | |
| 16:16 | rch | hey cm |
| 16:16 | so it should be working as expected for return date calculation | |
| 16:17 | i didn't get a chance to finish up the fines stuff. | |
| 16:18 | cm | yep. |
| 16:18 | rch | the rel_3_0 fines calculation does take holidays into consideration... but i'm not sure it's what most would want. |
| 16:18 | cm | interesting. |
| 16:18 | rch | if a library is closed one day per week, and an item is three weeks overdue, |
| 16:18 | how many days should they be charged? | |
| 16:19 | (for you)? | |
| 16:19 | cm | btw, i found that you can delete special holidays but not repeatable holidays. |
| 16:19 | rch | ah, i forgot to look at the deletion. |
| 16:19 | cm | they should be charged for every open day since the due date, minus the grace period. |
| 16:21 | rch | ah, okay- good for you. |
| 16:21 | cm | cool. :) |
| 16:22 | rch | the library I'm working on only wants to not charge if the item was returned on a closed day. |
| 16:22 | otherwise, they get charged. | |
| 16:23 | cm | hmm...more complicated! |
| 17:02 | rch | cm: btw, I will commit the holidays-aware fines code this weekend. |
| 18:13 | cm | rch: great, I'm looking forward to trying it. :) |
| 18:29 | tnb | chris? |
| 18:29 | dewey | chris is now too |
| 18:30 | chris | heya tina |
| 18:30 | tnb | hi chris |
| 18:30 | kados | hi all |
| 18:30 | :-) | |
| 18:31 | tnb | chris: i'm gonna private message ;you, this will be boring for the rest |
| 18:31 | kados: hi :) | |
| 18:31 | i sent you some emails :) | |
| 19:10 | waylon_ | hiya all |
| 19:11 | mason | heya waylon |
| 19:14 | waylon_ | err... is it necessary to cvs -z3 update -d cvsroot -r rel_2_2 or does it already know that its rel_2_2? |
| 19:20 | whats the XXX mean in koha.conf.in? | |
| 19:20 | mason | nah it already knows |
| 19:20 | waylon_ | huh? how? |
| 19:20 | wait... your talking about cvs? ya.. | |
| 19:20 | foundthat out. | |
| 19:20 | mason | yep |
| 19:21 | waylon_ | but what about koha.conf.in and make.conf.in? |
| 19:22 | paul... koha.conf.in and make.conf.in.... what do they do, and why is koha.conf.in got lines commented out? (rel_2_2) | |
| 19:23 | mason | pass |
| 19:24 | waylon_ | hmm... interesting new makefile.. |
| 19:24 | mason | i guess the installer fills in the needed values... |
| 19:26 | hasnt been updated in 4 years, its poss. not used anymore | |
| 19:27 | waylon_ | k, im just going to point my current installation towards the cvs dir. |
| 19:27 | mason | yep |
| 19:28 | waylon_ | after i do my dishes. :) |
| 19:28 | else they'll never get done. | |
| 19:28 | mason | just symlink yr cgi-bin, htdocs and modules/c4 dirs to yr CVS checkout |
| 19:29 | waylon_ | could also edit the koha.conf in my /etc to point to it as well. |
| 19:30 | mason | ha, yes thats alot easier, ive been doing it the symlink way |
| 20:36 | waylon_ | okay.. back in a bit. gotta get a mic. Boss wants to skype. |
| 22:44 | hiya all | |
| 22:44 | microphone brought... skype works well over dialup.. im impresseed. | |
| 23:30 | okay.. 2.2.7 cvs dl... items.barcode searching doesn't seem to be working. | |
| 23:32 | no such tagsubfield as 'items.barcode' yet, its looking for it. | |
| 23:33 | wait... am i using the right ... oh... hmm... one moment. | |
| 02:13 | waylon | hmm..... still getting that "different ip" problem in 2.2.7... and still can't search for barcodes. |
| 02:14 | hrm.. error in mysql syntax... | |
| 02:49 | was linked to my different ip problem. | |
| 02:49 | but SearchMarc is searching for barcodes in marc_word, using tagsubfield of 'items.barcode'.... | |
| 03:28 | mason | nice spotting |
| 03:29 | waylon | okay.. is there somewhere in code, where a frameworkcode is stored in parameters as THE framework code to use for everything? |
| 03:31 | idea, use Marc_find_marc_from_kohafield ... to find the marc for items.barcode ... but of course, I have a frameworkcode of 1 for all my marc. | |
| 03:31 | so i can use koha2marc.pl, and other migration code. | |
| 03:31 | since frameworkcode is a 'not null' field. | |
| 03:32 | '' eq null ya? | |
| 03:47 | mason, you working on the items.barcode problem? | |
| 03:58 | okay.... seems to be no way to select a framework as the framework for things.. some code even triggers other code, with '' as the framework number, instead of $frameworkcode. | |
| 04:08 | Love the easy parameter setting of System preferences. | |
| 04:14 | thats curious... | |
| 04:15 | all the search fields in search.marc return old-db fields... | |
| 04:17 | probably because default/en is old? | |
| 04:19 | nope... npl template has the same problem.... | |
| 04:19 | hmmm.... | |
| 04:24 | for some reason, 245a - Title returned the entire 245 series, 246 series and 242 series.... wierd. | |
| 05:03 | hey btoumi | |
| 05:03 | btoumi | hi waylon |
| 05:09 | waylon | err.... found an inconsistancy..... in rel_2_2, NEWmodbiblio calls MARCmodbiblio, with a $delete of 0.... in MARCmodbiblio.. there is no usage of $delete, other than defining it. in other words... things get deleted... |
| 05:15 | _paul | hi rch |
| 05:15 | (or sleeping & you're an autologin ?) | |
| 05:16 | rch | hi paul |
| 05:16 | _paul | so you're not sleeping... |
| 05:16 | rch | no, i'm the real thing :) |
| 05:16 | waylon_ | paul! calm day? |
| 05:16 | _paul | yep, no more wind & sunny |
| 05:16 | waylon_ | err.... found an inconsistancy..... in rel_2_2, NEWmodbiblio calls MARCmodbiblio, with a $delete of 0.... in MARCmodbiblio.. there is no usage of $delete, other than defining it. in other words... things get deleted... |
| 05:17 | your comment, paul? | |
| 05:17 | paul | my comment is : maybe you're right, could you fill a bug (BLO probably) on bugzilla ? |
| 05:17 | rch | paul: we'd be interested in seeing the list (even if it's in french) |
| 05:18 | paul | which mail address rch ? |
| 05:18 | rch | rchliblime.com |
| 05:18 | paul: have a moment for an acqui question? | |
| 05:18 | paul | yep |
| 05:19 | rch | I haven't updated dev_week with any recent rel_3 commits... |
| 05:19 | but I am able to add parts of an order to multiple parcels. | |
| 05:19 | which changes 'booksellerid' (iirc) for the parcel | |
| 05:20 | paul | since 2 days, I work on rel_3 with Opera : i didn't notice any problem yet... |
| 05:20 | waylon_ | instead of $frameworkcode = '' unless $frameworkcode; |
| 05:20 | rch | so you don't see any orders showing up in 'the wrong parcels'? |
| 05:21 | paul | did you noticed that i fixed MANY things in acquisitions since 2 days ? |
| 05:21 | rch | i saw a bunch of commits, but no comments looked relevant to this particular problem |
| 05:22 | paul | let me rewrite what you try : |
| 05:22 | - you have a basket with 2 lines | |
| 05:22 | - you receive 1 line incompletly in parcel B | |
| 05:22 | waylon_ | huh.... in bugzilla... the version field doesn't have the words "rel_2_2" ... what do i set it as? |
| 05:22 | paul | - you receive the end of the line in parcel A |
| 05:23 | - and ??? | |
| 05:23 | rch | correct |
| 05:23 | i have reports that things get funny then. | |
| 05:24 | waylon_ | paul? |
| 05:24 | dewey | paul is preparing to issue a release while the NPL templates are not working for the record editor now. |
| 05:24 | paul | rch : and what happends ? all the line is affected to parcel A ? |
| 05:24 | rch | since the parcel seems to want to be associated with an order. |
| 05:24 | yes, i believe so. | |
| 05:24 | waylon_: branch2.2 | |
| 05:25 | paul: i can test some more tomorrow | |
| 05:26 | paul | mmm... that would be a weird bug. since koha 1.x, there is a limit to partial recieves, that makes all the recieve affected to the last parcel, (if you recieve 1 item in parcel B, then the 2nd one in parcel C, you see 2in parcel C and nothing in B, but that's not what you describe) |
| 05:26 | waylon_ | is MARCmodbiblio a MARC thing, or a Database thing? |
| 05:26 | paul | waylon_: it's a DB thing |
| 05:27 | rch | paul: ah, i see, so there is a known discrepancy from what one would expect? |
| 05:28 | paul | yes, this is due to a DB schema limitation : a given order has one (and only 1) parcel code attached |
| 05:28 | thus, impossible to have 2 ;-) | |
| 05:28 | rch | right, that's what i thought from looking at the db. |
| 05:28 | so i'm not going crazy :) | |
| 05:28 | waylon_ | bug submitted. |
| 05:29 | rch | okay, this must be the problem.... I'll just have to convince the user to not be surprised :) |
| 05:31 | waylon_ | do you know how difficult that is? users always want it their way. |
| 05:32 | .. and so they should have it... since, they're going to be data entering.. and not me. :) | |
| 05:33 | rch | yes, i'd call you lucky :) |
| 05:33 | thanks, paul | |
| 05:33 | paul | your welcome. |
| 05:34 | how were things for joshua at ALA ? | |
| 05:34 | waylon_ | uhh.. ive been a data enterer... and its probably because i was too slow, that the library's ex-president has lost interest in koha. |
| 05:34 | rch | I hear they went very well. |
| 05:34 | lots of activity at our booth | |
| 05:37 | waylon_ | Biblio.pm in rel_2_2 now has currentframework implemented. |
| 05:39 | is there any reason why a library would use two frameworks at the same time? | |
| 05:39 | paul | for the same biblio ? no |
| 05:39 | otherwise yes. | |
| 05:39 | I have libraries that have 8 frameworks ! | |
| 05:40 | one for monographies, one for serials, 1 for articles, 1 for websites,... | |
| 05:41 | the default ('') one contains them. Even with different frameworks, the title is always in the same MARC subfield. | |
| 05:42 | (in fact, there is a DB schema mistake here too -and i'm responsible for this one-) : the link koha <=> MARC could/should not have been at framework level | |
| 05:44 | waylon_ | k... why am i implementing a default framework pref again? |
| 05:45 | paul | ??? (don't understand what you mean) |
| 05:46 | waylon_ | koha2marc.pl complained that it wasn't allowed to addbiblio with a null frameworkcode. |
| 05:46 | paul | NULL is <> '' |
| 05:46 | waylon_ | oh? ........... |
| 05:47 | paul | yep, in mySQL (and most SQL DB afaik), NULL means "nothing" where '' means "empty" |
| 05:47 | which are different | |
| 05:48 | waylon_ | how is it that the '' framework contains all frameworks? |
| 06:01 | why does each quicksearch field search so many marc subfields? | |
| 06:02 | searching for title searches marc subfields ' ('245a','245b','245f','245g','245k','245n','245p','245s','245h','246i','246a','246b','246f','246g','246n','246p','246h','242a','242b','242n','242p','242h' | |
| 06:05 | haha... my barcode search problem was caused by me... | |
| 06:05 | but... if i didn't do all of this... i wouldn't understand marc as much as i do now. | |
| 06:06 | This is a happy mistake. | |
| 06:32 | wierdness... kohafield in subfield_structure only has 245a, yet it adds all those other tags. | |
| 06:36 | ah. | |
| 06:36 | Seealso.. | |
| 06:37 | not sure if some ofthem make sense.... | |
| 06:40 | okay.. im done for the day. tired. | |
| 06:40 | paul | bye waylon_ |
| 06:41 | sweet night | |
| 06:41 | waylon | yup. |
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