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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 19:22 | waylon | hiya all. |
| 19:22 | Chris, you awake? | |
| 19:30 | tnb | chris: ? |
| 19:38 | rch | chris: you're a popular guy :) |
| 19:41 | tnb | ha! |
| 19:41 | hi rch | |
| 19:42 | i'm trying to figure out what we know about the south american koha users | |
| 19:42 | are their developers actively involved with the rest of the community? | |
| 19:42 | do you know anything about that? ;) | |
| 19:51 | rch | i think some brazilian developer(s) branched around 2.0 and have their own version ? |
| 19:51 | don't know any details. | |
| 19:51 | waylon | btw.... just love telling people..... i managed to get koha working on a totally free webhost, with no support from them. no virtual host editing... nothing. |
| 19:53 | rch | waylon: impressive :) |
| 19:53 | waylon | once i worked out what needed changing... the changes took 30 seconds, due to find and xarg. |
| 19:55 | creating the database, and importing my mysql data took abit of time, due to my mysqldump being 5 mb.. and them only allowing a 2mb dump file at once.... that and my database wasn't set up quite right.... so i used koha.mysql to set up,, and got all the insert lines from my dump, for data. | |
| 19:55 | no shell access.. used phpmysql thing..... | |
| 19:56 | rch | waylon: feel free to write up a mini-howto for inclusion on kohadocs if it'd be useful for others :) |
| 19:57 | waylon | will do. currently, writing a Koha V.s. Access IT Library comparison. |
| 19:58 | is there a list of libaries using Koha somewhere? | |
| 19:59 | rch | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers |
| 20:01 | waylon | know anything about Access IT Library software? |
| 20:04 | rch | no... you're using it currently? |
| 20:04 | waylon | Theosophical Society of New Zealand are proposing to use it, instead of Koha. |
| 20:13 | rch | you'll be recommending Koha, I hope? :) |
| 20:13 | waylon | Im a Koha nut. Its a religion. Opensource vs. The box of propietary software. |
| 20:13 | tnb | waylon: there is a much more comprehensive list of Koha users at http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]D=&auth=&code=lwc |
| 20:14 | it is a long url, i know ;) | |
| 20:14 | but it is a U.S. technology guide and if you search under "current automation" Koha | |
| 20:14 | waylon | tnb: umm.... i think the previous link is convincing enough. |
| 20:14 | tnb | you can pull a more comprehensive list |
| 20:14 | waylon | think theres over a hunderd libraries eh? |
| 20:14 | tnb | ok, then :) never mind :) |
| 20:15 | oh, yeah, and we are still finding them and adding them to the list | |
| 20:15 | soon, we will have a "Koha World Map" in place that will be more comprehensive than the wiki listing | |
| 20:19 | waylon | 126 libraries... cool. |
| 20:20 | does it count branches of a library as one library? | |
| 20:22 | nope... it counts branches as a nother item. | |
| 20:22 | tnb | some branches are listed separately, others are not yet. But yes, it will count the branches separately if they are listed |
| 20:23 | waylon | do we have a developers list somewhere? |
| 20:25 | tnb | the developers mailing list is a good place to start: http://koha.org/support/free.html |
| 20:26 | also many of those contacts listed on the users wiki link | |
| 20:26 | that rch posted are regular developers | |
| 20:27 | waylon | could you highlight which ones are developers, and which ones are just users? |
| 20:27 | tnb | I'm not a programmer myself ;) so there could be a secret list somewhere i don't know about ;) |
| 20:27 | I think someone (like rch if he is still around or chris) would be better equipped to answer that | |
| 20:30 | waylon | hiya paul! |
| 20:30 | tnb | paul: hi :) |
| 20:30 | i have a quick question for you :) | |
| 20:31 | waylon | 624 seconds to be exact. |
| 20:31 | tnb | Was wondering what you know about the guys who implemented the South American Koha installationsn |
| 20:31 | oh, yeah? He's been having problems tonight huh? | |
| 20:31 | or, whatever time of the day it is there :) | |
| 20:35 | waylon | hes been having problems the last couple of days.. sad really. hes really good! |
| 20:40 | noticed.... koha has alot of developers, any of which canbe contacted for advice. Access IT Library software, on the other hand, has one contact phone number per country. | |
| 20:53 | tnb | waylon :) Yes, Koha has a strong community |
| 02:10 | manu | hello |
| 02:10 | dewey | niihau, manu |
| 02:10 | manu | hello |
| 02:10 | how do u make | |
| 02:11 | Koha windows Virgin not stand Alown | |
| 02:12 | so i can make the intranet so i can use outside the Library | |
| 02:13 | hello is anyone here | |
| 02:15 | ello | |
| 02:16 | hello | |
| 02:16 | dewey | hola, manu |
| 02:16 | manu | can i have some help |
| 02:16 | please | |
| 06:25 | chris | hi bruno |
| 06:32 | Lea | goodmorning #koha |
| 06:37 | btoumi | hi all |
| 07:16 | chris | hi lea and bruno |
| 07:17 | Lea | hi |
| 07:17 | dewey | privet, Lea |
| 07:18 | chris | have we talked before lea? |
| 07:18 | Lea | yes :) |
| 07:18 | chris | ahh cool, (bad memory :)) |
| 07:18 | Lea | i was moaning about how i, a sysadmin, must know in detail about the marc21 format and how i had to fix vendors poorly exported data :D |
| 07:19 | chris | ahhh right, that rings a bell |
| 07:19 | Lea | Looks like we may indeed be going with Koha, although the senior librarian wants to try evergreen too |
| 07:19 | my money is on Koha ;) | |
| 07:19 | chris | cool |
| 07:19 | evergreen is nice, but is designed for seriously huge libraries | |
| 07:20 | Lea | Looks like there may be a couple of features that aren't in koha tho |
| 07:20 | stupid little things | |
| 07:20 | chris | be a good opportunity to get them in, thats how Koha grows, people want things that arent there |
| 07:21 | Lea | yes, thing is, I want any effort to be co-ordinated as I dont want to tread on people's toes nor write something without fitting in to the long-term plan. |
| 07:21 | chris | sounds good to me |
| 07:22 | Lea | also, if I'm going to have to write perl again (argh!!!!), then I need to know the effort is going to make a difference |
| 07:22 | chris | its pretty impossible to tread on our toes :) we are easygoing, but yes it makes sense to not duplicate effort |
| 07:23 | Lea | the plugins is a good idea, shame i wont be able to hook in python mods :( |
| 07:24 | chris | why not? |
| 07:24 | i have some ruby code that plays nice with koha | |
| 07:25 | Lea | ooh. How does the plugin stuff work? |
| 07:25 | chris | its quite easy for koha 3 |
| 07:25 | Lea | svn? |
| 07:25 | chris | and the dev_week koha |
| 07:25 | the contribs site? | |
| 07:26 | Lea | no i mean, is Koha 3 right now the same as koha svn |
| 07:26 | chris | rel_3 yep (cvs, not svn yet until savannah supports svn) |
| 07:27 | Lea | ie, is it worth me installing svn rather than 2.2.7 |
| 07:27 | chris | not sure how hard that would be, but you could check out the dev_week cvs branch |
| 07:27 | it works with zebra | |
| 07:27 | Lea | ok. Are you saying that extending 2.2.7 with python will be very hard but not with the cvs version? |
| 07:28 | chris | and is production in a couple of libraries, what will become 3.0 is in production in bruno's library |
| 07:28 | Lea | ah ok, it's that stable? Excellent |
| 07:28 | chris | what makes it easier |
| 07:28 | is zebra | |
| 07:29 | so koha use Net::Zoom | |
| 07:29 | you could you ruby_zoom | |
| 07:29 | Lea | ah, i see, is zebra like a backend that koha sits on, so plugins talk to zebra rather than koha? |
| 07:29 | chris | or if there is python zoom (z3950) module |
| 07:29 | thats right | |
| 07:30 | Lea | excellent! But what about things like holidays, general prefs, extending the UI? |
| 07:30 | that doesn't go through zebra right? | |
| 07:30 | chris | nope |
| 07:30 | but any language that can talk to a rdbms | |
| 07:30 | can do that :) | |
| 07:30 | its all in mysql (or whatever db) | |
| 07:31 | Lea | right, ok, I appologise for the noob questions, but am I right in thinking that the perl code is just front end stuff, hooking in to mysql to save prefs and hooking into zebra for searches? Perl is just a presentation layer? |
| 07:32 | chris | well it does a bunch of logic too, but most of that logic is formulating sql queries and/or (from 2.4 onwards) zebra calls |
| 07:32 | and then handling the results | |
| 07:32 | Lea | of course. |
| 07:32 | so how do the plugins fit in? | |
| 07:33 | chris | the only plugins we have now, are for use in the MARC editor |
| 07:33 | i thought you were talking about http://contribs.koha.org/ | |
| 07:33 | Lea | i mean, how (technically) do they fit in? |
| 07:34 | yeah, i am :) | |
| 07:34 | chris | however you want them to |
| 07:34 | ie, contribs is for user contributed code | |
| 07:34 | it can interface with Koha in whatever way the author sees fit | |
| 07:35 | so ull see there, there is some perl, some php | |
| 07:35 | a whooping pile of javascript | |
| 07:35 | (the libx toolbar down the bottom( | |
| 07:35 | Lea | ok, so these extensions are simply isolated bits of code that somehow get called from Koha? |
| 07:36 | it's that hooking in that eludes me | |
| 07:36 | chris | <a href="some bit of code"> :) |
| 07:37 | its just a big web site really | |
| 07:37 | (Koha that is) | |
| 07:37 | Lea | right ok, so scripts would be run via http. |
| 07:37 | chris | yep |
| 07:37 | Lea | so, you'd need mod_<yourlang> installed |
| 07:37 | chris | hmm not if you ran them as a cgi |
| 07:38 | Lea | weird, I'd never even thought of that. mod_* must have benefits. Speed? |
| 07:38 | chris | yep, persistance and speed |
| 07:39 | ie you can use persistent database caching etc | |
| 07:39 | Lea | hmm.. forking an interpreter can't be nice :) |
| 07:39 | chris | but you can just do it the old fashioned way |
| 07:39 | as cgi | |
| 07:39 | Lea | ok, sounds good |
| 07:39 | chris | the other thing people might want to write |
| 07:40 | is a nicer script (more exstensible) for calculating overdues/fines | |
| 07:40 | Lea | presumably, in perl, can you call the cgi and capture the output, so you can format the results inside the webpage, rather than have the script generate the html? |
| 07:40 | chris | yeah |
| 07:40 | Lea | good :) |
| 07:40 | chris | we use HTML::Template |
| 07:41 | Lea | ok. Something I need to write is an easy way to add random closed days so they dont affect lates |
| 07:41 | chris | ahh been done :) |
| 07:41 | Lea | really? |
| 07:41 | damnit, where can i get this info? :) | |
| 07:41 | chris | yep, mason is in the process of committing it to rel_2_2 |
| 07:42 | but its in rel_3_0 | |
| 07:42 | 2 secs | |
| 07:42 | Lea | ok, cool! :) I'm waiting for the senior librarian to send me a report on what appears to be missing from Koha or what needs changing, so once i get that i can get to work. |
| 07:43 | afk | |
| 07:44 | chris | ok, i have to go to bed nearly midnight here |
| 07:45 | ill catch ya later | |
| 07:47 | Lea | whoah! |
| 07:47 | ok, thanks Chris! :) | |
| 07:54 | waylon | hello all! |
| 08:13 | Lea | hi! |
| 08:13 | waylon | ah.. a new developer? |
| 08:13 | Lea | am i the only one who gets apache hassles? :( |
| 08:14 | waylon | whatsyour hassles? |
| 08:14 | Lea | ho waylon, er... kinda. Just testing the system right now but I'll be coding some stuff for sure if we go for it |
| 08:14 | *hi :/ | |
| 08:14 | hassles is that apache doesn't seem to like the /cgi-bin/koha script alias | |
| 08:15 | waylon | got the alias module loaded? |
| 08:16 | Lea | good point ;) not only is it not loaded, doesn't look like it's installed! |
| 08:17 | hey! It's before my 4th coffee, what do you expect? ;) | |
| 08:17 | I'd love if koha used the same perl module that webmin did | |
| 08:18 | waylon | Had to deal with a free webhost who couldn't be bothered adding a few lines to httpd.conf. |
| 08:18 | Lea | heh |
| 08:18 | waylon | did a find - xarg line to add use lib's, and had a real cgi-bin/koha directory... intranet works so far.. |
| 08:19 | Lea | cool |
| 08:19 | waylon | should be in the apache2/modules directory. |
| 08:20 | never installed alias module under linux yet. | |
| 08:21 | Lea | nope nothing. However, checking some apache2 tutorials (WRT ubuntu) don't mention installing mod_alias |
| 08:22 | waylon | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2[…]od/mod_alias.html |
| 08:24 | http://webdesign.about.com/cs/[…]installapache.htm | |
| 08:28 | Lea | yes, mod_alias is compiled in on the ubuntu version, so it's not that... hm... |
| 08:29 | apache2 -l is my friend :) | |
| 08:30 | waylon | okay. im a fraid i gotta go to sleep. goodto have ya around, Lea. |
| 08:31 | Lea | take care |
| 08:31 | tthanks |
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