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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:19 | hdl | hi owen. |
| 11:19 | seen kados ? | |
| 11:19 | dewey | kados was last seen on #koha 18 hours, 56 minutes and 51 seconds ago, saying: heads out [Fri Nov 24 08:23:08 2006] |
| 11:20 | owen | Hi hdl. No, I just arrived. |
| 11:20 | hdl | how are you ? |
| 11:20 | owen | I am well, thank you. Had a nice Thanksgiving with my family yesterday. I'm back at work while the rest of America is out shopping :) |
| 11:23 | hdl | Oh... Sure. It is a long weekend for you... |
| 11:23 | Happy thanksGiving | |
| 11:24 | owen | Thanks. What's new with you hdl? |
| 11:27 | hdl | My wife is fantastic... little 2 and a half kid at school and doing fine |
| 11:27 | :D | |
| 11:33 | kados | hi hdl |
| 11:34 | hdl | hi kados |
| 11:34 | Happy thanks giving... | |
| 11:35 | I had a question about the use of chr files and where to call them. | |
| 11:35 | (Can't find it in Zebra doc) | |
| 11:35 | kados | sure |
| 11:35 | it all depends on what you have in your idx file | |
| 11:36 | you can define different mappings for each index type | |
| 11:40 | hdl | Thx. I saw it. |
| 11:40 | If I change word-string.chr, do I have to reindex data ? | |
| 11:41 | (seems yes) | |
| 11:44 | kados: it seems there is no equivalent directive in *.chr files any longer... Is there ? | |
| 11:45 | And position is not a defined keyword. But it is used in our default.idx | |
| 11:45 | Can you tell me more ? | |
| 11:59 | kados | hdl: yes, you will need to re-index |
| 12:00 | equivalent directive? do you mean 'map'? | |
| 12:00 | hdl | # equivalent ��(ae) |
| 12:00 | # equivalent øö(oe) | |
| 12:00 | # equivalent å(aa) | |
| 12:00 | # equivalent uü | |
| 12:00 | kados | hmmm ... I think it's called 'map' now |
| 12:01 | ahh, right | |
| 12:01 | equivilent is for searching | |
| 12:02 | so ... | |
| 12:02 | you can define collations in two ways: | |
| 12:02 | make characters equivilent to each other so that searching on one finds the other, etc. | |
| 12:04 | hdl | can you give me the link you search in ? |
| 12:04 | kados | I'm just looking at the .chr file |
| 12:05 | hdl | I couldnot see equivalent in Indexdata documentation. |
| 12:05 | I also read *.chr file. | |
| 12:05 | But am unsure though. | |
| 12:06 | kados | what are you trying to acomplish? |
| 12:19 | hdl: ? | |
| 12:19 | hdl | kados : I am trying to make search for é è ë equivalent to search e. |
| 12:20 | If a user type determinisme, it could return déterminisme. | |
| 12:20 | kados | is that UTF-8? |
| 12:20 | (on my computer it's not for some reason) | |
| 12:21 | é is the character? | |
| 12:21 | you want: | |
| 12:22 | equivalent ée | |
| 12:22 | in the appropriate .chr file | |
| 12:22 | hdl | yes. |
| 12:23 | (I used ISO8859-15 because it seems to be the encoding of this channel) | |
| 12:23 | kados | ahh, ok |
| 12:24 | hdl | ���� equivalent to e |
| 12:24 | (Can you read that ? | |
| 12:24 | kados | my irssi is set to use utf8 |
| 12:24 | hdl | ) |
| 12:24 | kados | no, I can't read it |
| 12:24 | strange | |
| 12:24 | it looks like ???? | |
| 12:24 | (four question marks) | |
| 12:24 | is it the multi-byte version or the single-byte version? | |
| 12:25 | é << can you read that? | |
| 12:25 | hdl | No. |
| 12:25 | kados | hehe |
| 12:25 | hdl | looks like A~(c) |
| 12:25 | kados | hehe |
| 12:25 | so our channel is poorly encoded for communication about encodings ;-) | |
| 12:26 | I wonder if freenode is any better | |
| 12:26 | could you join #koha on freenode for testing? | |
| 12:27 | (irc.freenode.net) | |
| 12:29 | it seems I could issue /charset utf-8 but I don't have oper privs here | |
| 12:32 | UTF-8 is hard :/ | |
| 12:36 | hdl | What I wanted to say was : |
| 12:36 | kados | hdl: how about now: ééé |
| 12:36 | hdl | yes. |
| 12:36 | So. | |
| 12:36 | I wanted éëêè to be equivalent for research to e | |
| 12:36 | (French configuration) | |
| 12:37 | kados | right |
| 12:37 | I believe you can try: | |
| 12:38 | equivalent éëêèe | |
| 12:38 | hdl | Taht is exactly what I am trying. |
| 12:38 | kados | (I can't promise more than two work) |
| 12:38 | cool | |
| 12:38 | let me know if it works | |
| 12:39 | hdl | But when indexing, it finds new bugs in mrc files. |
| 12:39 | kados | ahh, so it must not be correct then |
| 12:39 | try just one: | |
| 12:39 | equivilent ée | |
| 12:39 | equivalent ée | |
| 12:39 | (wrong spelling ;-)) | |
| 12:43 | hdl | it will be a pain for multiligual catalogue. |
| 12:44 | What is the difference with map ? | |
| 12:44 | kados | I agree |
| 12:44 | maybe we should ask ID | |
| 12:46 | hdl | the syntax you proposed worked. |
| 12:46 | kados | great! |
| 12:46 | hdl | one HAVE TO tell equivalents one char at a time!!! |
| 12:46 | kados | I bet ID would fix it if we complained |
| 12:47 | hdl | If you get spanish, german, french and dutch .... |
| 12:47 | you go crazy. | |
| 12:47 | :D | |
| 12:47 | kados | yep |
| 12:48 | hdl | (And some catalogues some customers have contain ukrainian, rumainian, and so on...) |
| 12:48 | kados | right |
| 12:48 | it can get quite complicated | |
| 12:49 | and we still have some problems with mysql | |
| 12:49 | hdl | Yes. |
| 12:49 | kados | for instance, multi-byte characters cause problems |
| 12:49 | because unlike zebra, we can't control easily the collations in mysql | |
| 12:50 | we are stuck with what mysql provides | |
| 12:50 | (unless you want to write some C ;-)) | |
| 12:50 | hdl | + DBD::MYSQL. and the fact that it is not utf8 aware in perl. |
| 12:50 | kados | right |
| 12:51 | hdl | Is there a better Database utf8 supported system in PERL ? |
| 12:51 | kados | postgres I think |
| 12:51 | hdl | I hope too. |
| 12:51 | But didnot inquire deeply enough. | |
| 12:51 | kados | if I ever get sponsorship for it, I would like to write a driver for koha and postgres |
| 12:52 | it could be much better (though also harder to configure) | |
| 12:52 | hdl | And postgress would certainly require to dig into DB queries... |
| 12:52 | kados | yep |
| 12:53 | hdl | Should we do this for rel_3_0 ? |
| 12:53 | Could we have time ? | |
| 12:53 | kados | but it would be ideal |
| 12:53 | hdl | I don't think it would be realistic. |
| 12:54 | But we certainly have to consider it. | |
| 12:54 | ok. | |
| 12:54 | kados | I think it will depend on finding a client who needs it |
| 12:55 | hdl | (+ to consider very well how much it impacts on Koha and time needed for developpement) |
| 12:55 | (Which certainly wouldnot be the easiest part) | |
| 12:55 | :D | |
| 12:55 | kados | hehe |
| 12:56 | hdl | Many THX... |
| 12:56 | kados | np |
| 13:01 | hdl | kados : |
| 13:01 | equivalent éèëêe | |
| 13:02 | works for e | |
| 13:02 | kados | interesting |
| 13:02 | hdl | one merely have to set the latest equivalence. |
| 13:03 | And serching dêterminisme finds déterminisme | |
| 13:03 | Really COOL | |
| 13:04 | (I wonder what went wrong when I told you it didnot work. | |
| 13:04 | ) | |
| 13:04 | kados | hmmm |
| 13:04 | that's great news | |
| 13:07 | hdl | Maybe we should inquire some "common languages" to see what default we should set for this list... |
| 13:07 | kados | good idea |
| 16:41 | paul or hdl around? | |
| 17:55 | hdl | yes |
| 17:56 | kados: yes | |
| 17:57 | kados | hi hdl |
| 17:57 | I'm having trouble with the rel_3_0 Context.pm | |
| 17:57 | it doesn't read the koha.xml file the same way as dev_week does | |
| 17:58 | hdl | what disturbs you ? |
| 17:58 | kados | well, ccl2rpn isn't being read at all |
| 17:58 | do you hard code that in your install? | |
| 17:58 | or does it properly read it from the serverinfo element in koha.xml? | |
| 17:59 | also, I fear we have several different ways of doing things | |
| 17:59 | for instance, the user/password elements | |
| 17:59 | but most distirbing | |
| 17:59 | easiest to past in an example | |
| 18:00 | if I use Data::Dumper to warn Dumper($context) in dev_week the 'server' element gives me: | |
| 18:00 | 'server' => { | |
| 18:00 | 'authorityserver' => { | |
| 18:00 | 'listenref' => 'authorityserver', | |
| 18:00 | 'config' => '/koha/etc/zebra-authorities.cfg', | |
| 18:00 | 'directory' => '/koha/zebradb/authorities' | |
| 18:00 | }, | |
| 18:01 | 'biblioserver' => { | |
| 18:01 | etc | |
| 18:01 | but in rel_3_0 I get: | |
| 18:01 | 'server' => { | |
| 18:01 | 'cql2rpn' => '/home/jmf/kohademo/etc/pqf.properties', | |
| 18:01 | 'biblioserver' => {}, | |
| 18:01 | so it's not broken up into servers | |
| 18:02 | in Context.pm in Zconn, $o->option(cclfile=> $context->{"serverinfo"}->{$server}->{"ccl2rpn"}); does not work | |
| 18:04 | hdl | on pastebin.ca :my koha.xml http://pastebin.ca/256957 |
| 18:04 | kados | hmmm, it looks the same |
| 18:08 | hdl: I found the problem | |
| 18:08 | hdl: XML::Simple does not always handle comments in XMl correctly | |
| 18:08 | hdl | WTF !!! |
| 18:09 | Sorry. | |
| 18:09 | Congrat ! | |
| 18:14 | One must have a nightmare once to enjoy when dreams happens to be lighter :D | |
| 18:14 | kados | hehe |
| 18:15 | hdl: there is a restart facility for koha managing the zebra server if a connection is lost, but IMO it shouldn't be used | |
| 18:16 | hdl: are you OK if I comment it out and commit? | |
| 18:16 | wait, nevermind, it's already wrapped in a non-existant syspref | |
| 18:16 | ;-) | |
| 18:16 | hdl | why should it not be used. |
| 18:16 | kados | do you allow koha to start zebra? |
| 18:16 | or do you start it by command line? | |
| 18:17 | hdl | always cmd line. |
| 18:17 | kados | so it shoudn't be used then I think |
| 18:17 | esp since I don't think the process that it gets stuck in will ever due | |
| 18:17 | die even | |
| 18:17 | it doesn't background the process or anything | |
| 18:18 | hdl | but ppl will like to have it daemonized. |
| 18:18 | kados | but maybe that's not best handled in Context.pm ... |
| 18:18 | we should create an init script for daemonization | |
| 18:19 | IMO | |
| 18:19 | (or actually, ID should ;-)) | |
| 18:34 | hdl | :D |
| 18:59 | see ya |
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