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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:32 | toins | tumer[A] ? |
| 12:32 | dewey | i guess tumer[A] is talking about the MARC editor not authorities editor |
| 12:41 | hdl | dewey forget tumer[A] |
| 12:41 | dewey | hdl: I forgot tumer[a] |
| 12:54 | kados | paul: are you here? |
| 12:55 | paul | yep |
| 12:55 | kados | paul: I'm wondering if you've tested bulkmarcimport in rel_3_0 |
| 12:55 | paul | hello kados |
| 12:55 | kados | for me it doesn't work |
| 12:55 | paul | nope, I didn't test it |
| 12:55 | kados | also, AuthoritiesMarc.pm causes 500 errors |
| 12:55 | paul | (as I work on migrated 2.2 catalogues atm) |
| 12:55 | kados | I wonder if hdl has uploaded his most recent version of AuthoritiesMarc.pm |
| 12:55 | paul: ahh, great, will we see 2.2.7 soon? ;-) | |
| 12:56 | tumer | toins:looking for me? |
| 12:56 | paul | yep, just waiting for some commits from hdl, and i've 2 bugs to fix |
| 12:56 | (1177 & 1230) | |
| 12:56 | dewey | 1160 |
| 12:56 | toins | tumer, yes, i just want to know some things on Date.pm |
| 12:56 | tumer | yep |
| 12:57 | kados | paul: scratch what I said about AuthoritiesMarc.pm, that's in dev_week, not rel_3_0 |
| 12:57 | toins | why have you used DateTime instead of Date::Calc ? |
| 12:58 | hdl | kados : In rel2_2, AuthoritiesMarc should not create Error 500 |
| 12:58 | kados | hdl: yes, sorry, I was wrong |
| 12:58 | paul | kados/tumer : do you know any link for a CCL tutorial ? |
| 12:58 | tumer | datetime is proposed on perl sites as one of the fastest, also has all the necessary functions we need |
| 12:58 | paul:no; | |
| 12:59 | hdl | no pb kados |
| 12:59 | paul | so, how did you learn CCL capabilities ? |
| 13:00 | kados | paul: check the ccl.properties file I wrote |
| 13:00 | it has extensive docs | |
| 13:00 | toins | tumer, shouldn't we use just ONE module for date calculation ? |
| 13:01 | because now we have Date::Calc on circ | |
| 13:01 | DateTime on Date.pm | |
| 13:01 | and some Date::Manip everywhere | |
| 13:01 | tumer | date.pm is the only module in head |
| 13:01 | i have cleaned all date::manip and date::calc from all script everywhere | |
| 13:03 | Date.pm now has all necessary date calculations including a get_today function that all my script now use; | |
| 13:03 | toins | ok |
| 13:13 | kados | hdl: is rel_3_0 authorities working with zebra? |
| 13:13 | hdl: for unimarc I mean? | |
| 13:13 | hdl | yes. |
| 13:14 | kados | hdl: and I only need to add authorities zebra files to make it work for usmarc? |
| 13:14 | _paul | (disconnected from the web for some seconds... copying my question again, if you answered, I missed the answer) |
| 13:14 | kados : i'm owner of #1230, but I don't know what to do with it. do you have an idea ? | |
| 13:14 | kados | I can't get to bugs.koha.org |
| 13:14 | internal server error :( | |
| 13:14 | _paul | ! |
| 13:15 | worked 10seconds ago | |
| 13:15 | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1230 | |
| 13:15 | kados | I think I have the wrong dns cached |
| 13:15 | _paul | yes, because it works perfecly for me |
| 13:17 | kados | paul: ahh, ok I see it now |
| 13:17 | paul: I can confirm it happens | |
| 13:17 | paul: but I don't know why | |
| 13:18 | paul: it seems it only happens with koha tables | |
| 13:18 | _paul | and only biblioitems it seems |
| 13:18 | (as biblio seems to be OK) | |
| 13:18 | kados | paul: I suspect there is a perl problem somewhere, double-encoding due to concatenation or something |
| 13:18 | (yep) | |
| 13:19 | I fear even rel_3_0 will suffer from some utf8 probs | |
| 13:20 | esp with collations of double-byte characters | |
| 13:21 | paul | kados : that's what I fear too... |
| 13:43 | rch | hdl: can you offer some guidance on zebra authorities? |
| 13:43 | hdl | rch : is it possible to do so in 1 hour ? |
| 13:44 | rch | hdl: maybe some small guidance? :) |
| 13:44 | ah ok I will track you down later | |
| 13:45 | paul | (rch : remember it's 6PM in France, so you may have to wait until tomorrow (your) morning) |
| 13:46 | rch | of course :) |
| 13:47 | anyone else out there with some zebra authorities experience :)? | |
| 13:47 | paul | throw your question, I may be able to answer it |
| 13:49 | rch | i'm just working on setting up basic authorities; not sure if i'm aware of all the steps. |
| 13:49 | 1- add to auth tables | |
| 13:49 | 2 index marc with zebra | |
| 13:50 | ... is there a 1.5? (or a 3)... ? | |
| 13:51 | paul | mmm... I think no, but you will have to ask hdl to be definetly sure. Or we can beep alaurin / btoumi |
| 13:55 | rch | is there an update script to (re)index zebradb from auth_header.marc? |
| 13:56 | paul | rel_3_0/zebraplugin/utils/ has 2 scripts |
| 13:57 | not sure thay will work out of the box for MARC21 | |
| 13:57 | rch | great thx, i'll check them out |
| 13:57 | alaurin | this scripts are taking the source from xml |
| 13:58 | in auth_header --- marcxml | |
| 13:59 | rch | ah, so auth_header.marc should be in xml? |
| 14:00 | paul | mmm... I would say probably yes, as we prefer it (when there is some error in the data, it's 100000 times easier to fix !) |
| 14:00 | but it's probably better to wait for hdl | |
| 14:00 | to be sure | |
| 14:00 | alaurin | no, auth_header.marc, is staying, and u have a new auth_header.marcxml |
| 14:01 | like paul said, u'de better to wait hdl | |
| 14:01 | paul | how did you fill the auth_header.marcxml field ? |
| 14:02 | rch | ok good. i thought in biblios, biblioitems.marc was authoritative for the record. is biblioitems.marcxml authoritative? |
| 14:02 | (obviously they _should_ always be the same) | |
| 14:03 | alaurin | u create auth_header.marcxlm by the script move marc_to auth_header ..... |
| 14:06 | rch | alaurin: thx for the tips; i'll play around with these scripts. |
| 14:06 | alaurin | ok |
| 14:12 | paul | rch : MARCgetbiblio uses marcxml, so it's this one that is authoritative ! |
| 14:18 | kados | in dev_week biblioitems.marc is authoritative |
| 14:18 | paul: what is authoritative for items data in rel_3_0 currently, is it items table or MARC data? | |
| 14:18 | alaurin | i think marcxml too ... |
| 14:19 | paul | kados : why do we need both marc & xml ? we don't need both. |
| 14:19 | we just need to decide which one is authoritative & remove the other one. | |
| 14:19 | we already spoke of this iirc : | |
| 14:19 | - iso2709 is smaller but unreadable | |
| 14:19 | kados | yep |
| 14:19 | marcxml is much slower also | |
| 14:19 | paul | - xml is more user friendly, but take more place |
| 14:20 | right. | |
| 14:20 | kados | not only 10X larger, but 100X slower |
| 14:20 | paul | (phone ring) |
| 14:20 | kados | brb |
| 14:45 | hdl | rch : back |
| 14:47 | rch | hi hdl |
| 14:48 | hdl | I read the logs |
| 14:48 | rch | anything to add? |
| 14:48 | hdl | yes : |
| 14:51 | I added export_Authorities.pl that should provide you with an iso2709 file for zebra indexing. | |
| 14:52 | be aware it is supposed that 152$a contains authtypecode. | |
| 14:53 | be aware it is supposed that 152$*b* contains authtypecode. | |
| 14:53 | 001 field contain authid | |
| 14:54 | and 100 field is much like leader in UNIMARC | |
| 14:55 | (in misc/plugin directory | |
| 14:55 | ) | |
| 14:55 | rch | re: 152$a _and_ $b ? or just $b? |
| 14:56 | hdl | you may have to tweak move_marc_2_authheader.pl |
| 14:56 | I made a mistake it is 152$b and not $a | |
| 14:56 | rch | ok, right |
| 14:56 | hdl | (Hoping it is the same for you... should be but not 100% sure) |
| 14:57 | rch | yes, same |
| 14:58 | so then in zebra-authorities.cfg, | |
| 14:58 | I add | |
| 14:58 | hdl | remember to launch movemarc2authheader with a rel2_2 box.... |
| 14:59 | rch | recordId: (auth1, Local-Number) |
| 14:59 | right? | |
| 15:00 | hdl | you shouldnot have to add it. |
| 15:00 | It should already be there. | |
| 15:01 | Ehrr yes. | |
| 15:02 | rch | I didn't see your zebra.cfg in cvs. |
| 15:03 | hdl | I thought there was one. |
| 15:04 | Do you have auth1.att ? | |
| 15:04 | rch | yes. |
| 15:05 | what I really need is record.abs for usmarc | |
| 15:06 | hdl | which record.abs in cvs for authorities will you be using as base ? |
| 15:07 | rch | I will go from record_unimarc |
| 15:08 | does this make sense? | |
| 15:09 | hdl | in which directory ? |
| 15:09 | rch | zebraplugin/zebradb/authorities/tab |
| 15:09 | right? | |
| 15:10 | hdl | I think I have to commit the latest version. |
| 15:11 | commited | |
| 15:11 | rch | thx |
| 15:11 | hdl | Sorry. |
| 15:12 | Managing all the versions and changes in dir structure in rel_3_0 made me crazy. | |
| 15:13 | rch | yeah. this is how I missed your zebra-authorities.cfg ... |
| 15:14 | hdl | You will also HAVE to change a little your biblios record.abs to add Koha-auth-number |
| 15:14 | melm 606$9Koha-Auth-Number,Koha-Auth-Number:n,Koha-Auth-Number:w | |
| 15:16 | If you donot add some Koha-Auth-Number for authorities related fields, search for authorities won't give you the appearance count in biblios. | |
| 15:16 | And zebra will return errors. | |
| 15:17 | rch | right |
| 15:17 | hdl | So You will think authorities are buggy. |
| 15:17 | And it would be a shame for us. | |
| 15:17 | :D | |
| 15:18 | Koha was not designed as such... But maybe we should make display of count of biblios a sytempref for users. | |
| 15:19 | (In order to avoid such problems. | |
| 15:19 | ) | |
| 15:19 | Will you give it a try ? | |
| 15:20 | I shall comme a while in the evening. But My wife called me for dinner. | |
| 15:20 | rch | yes, it may take some time; i have to get record.abs for usmarc |
| 15:21 | hdl: thanks for your help! | |
| 16:39 | thd | kados: here? |
| 16:39 | dewey | here is another thing about ID |
| 16:45 | owen | dewey: you're not very smart. |
| 16:45 | dewey | owen: what? |
| 16:49 | thd | dewey: forget here |
| 16:49 | dewey | thd: I forgot here |
| 16:50 | kados | hi thd |
| 16:51 | ahh, holidays :-) | |
| 16:52 | thd | kados: did you see my message last message for the wiki templates? |
| 16:52 | kados | yes, but I didn't read it :-) |
| 16:54 | thd: ok, I'll apply the changes immediately | |
| 16:58 | thd: ok, updated | |
| 16:58 | thd: did that fix the problem? | |
| 17:00 | thd | kados: yes it is now almost as good as MediaWiki |
| 17:03 | hdl | rch |
| 17:03 | back. | |
| 17:03 | thd | kados: I have noticed that the WikiPedia has a link for jumping to the navigation sidebar at the top for Netscape 4 and other browsers which do not support the CSS2 used there |
| 17:04 | hdl | rch : Maybe you can highly get inspiration from record.abs unimarc. |
| 17:05 | rch : Sole problem is that some coded subfields and some usual $0-$9 information are not indexed yet. | |
| 17:05 | thd | kados: the navigation sidebar appears at the bottom in older browsers. It is actually at the bottom after the page content in the HTML. |
| 17:07 | hdl | rch : this was not my first interest. Having something that simply works and returns good results was. |
| 17:18 | thd | kados: are you still connected? |
| 18:01 | kados | thd: sorry, I had a phone call |
| 23:10 | mason1 | . |
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