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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 17:29 | kados | chris: you around yet? |
| 17:30 | chris | yep, staff meeting ... i see you have been committing lots :) |
| 17:30 | kados | yea ... lots more to come too |
| 17:30 | and looks like another tonight :/ | |
| 18:05 | thd | kados: are you alive? |
| 18:06 | kados | thd: barely :-) |
| 18:06 | fortunately, I've discovered a secret | |
| 18:06 | perhaps well-guarded ... | |
| 18:07 | thd | kados: to staying alive without sleep? |
| 18:07 | kados | hehe |
| 18:07 | I think it's actually easier to program in large sprints | |
| 18:07 | chris | definitely is |
| 18:08 | kados | I've been going a it for about 26 hours now :-) |
| 18:08 | chris | its like writing an essay, or painting |
| 18:08 | kados | and I feel sharp as a tack :-) |
| 18:08 | thd | kados: you mean if you do not eat so you can avoid sleepiness? |
| 18:08 | kados | thd: haven't eaten much, mainly just espresso :-) |
| 18:09 | I finally grok Biblio.pm | |
| 18:09 | what an insane bunch of code :-) | |
| 18:09 | thd | kados: the feeling of being sharp as a tack is a caffeine induced hallucination |
| 18:10 | kados | hehe |
| 18:10 | probably is | |
| 18:11 | thd | kados: you can tell when that sensation increases despite an inability to walk a straight line |
| 18:11 | kados | hehe |
| 18:11 | fortunately, all I need to be able to do is type :-) | |
| 18:12 | thd | kados: I have discovered something a little scary after having a little sleep |
| 18:13 | kados: it seems that some influential library administers have seriously taken the view that subject authority control is an outmoded concept | |
| 18:15 | kados: they proposed abandoning all hope of finding information in a rational manner an surrendering to Google even when no full text is available | |
| 18:19 | kados: this was argued seriously enough to prevent the UC library system from advocating anything about subject metadata in a taskforce studying how to manage without enough funding for enough librarians to do all the work needed to keep the system running for current and future needs. | |
| 18:21 | kados: this was not merely a dispute between FAST and LCSH but between any authority controlled thesaurus and none | |
| 18:24 | kados: it is true that no subject thesaurus would free cataloguer time but no acquisitions would also free cataloguer time and accomplish much the same purpose for serious research | |
| 18:26 | kados: when caffeine and not eating stops working you can try pounding tacks into your body to maintain alertness | |
| 18:26 | kados | thd: hehe |
| 18:28 | thd | kados: are you ready to abandon all control and thus prevent any normalisation in catalogues of the future? |
| 18:29 | kados | thd: to some extent I've already done that with the Internet :-) |
| 18:33 | thd | kados: I want to take back the internet so I do not get 5 x 10^20 result set filled with mostly irrelevant results which I have to cleverly avoid through some arcane set of full text queries |
| 18:35 | kados: building a robot to stay awake for you and catalogue the internet would be much healthier than caffeine, no food, and tacks | |
| 18:36 | kados: that would be something really worth staying awake for | |
| 18:36 | kados | :-) |
| 18:48 | chris: quick question...how important are these warnings: | |
| 18:48 | Argument "" isn't numeric in numeric gt (>) at | |
| 18:48 | substr outside of string | |
| 18:48 | both are in Biblio.pm | |
| 18:48 | chris | the first one is |
| 18:49 | annoying more than anything | |
| 18:49 | but id fix it | |
| 18:49 | kados | unfortunately it's in that really annoyin block :-) |
| 18:49 | chris | say the line is |
| 18:49 | kados | MARChtml2xml |
| 18:50 | chris | if ($something < 12){ |
| 18:50 | kados | 1386 in latest dev_week |
| 18:50 | chris | 2 secs then |
| 18:50 | kados | if ((@$tags[$i] > 10) && (@$values[$i] ne "")){ |
| 18:50 | chris | right |
| 18:51 | if ((@$tags[$i] && @$tags[$i] > 10) && (@$values[$i] ne "")){ | |
| 18:51 | will stop the warning | |
| 18:51 | cos it will fail at | |
| 18:51 | kados | hopefully it wont' also change the behavior :-) |
| 18:51 | chris | no it wont |
| 18:52 | @$tags[$i] cant be greater than 10 | |
| 18:52 | unless it has a value | |
| 18:52 | kados | k |
| 18:52 | chris | so the if fails because it has no value .. and doesnt bother doing the > |
| 18:53 | will be fractionally faster too | |
| 18:53 | kados | :-) |
| 18:53 | chris | the other one sounds like its trying to do a substr outside the bounds of a string |
| 18:54 | kados | yea |
| 18:54 | chris | could also be caused by the string being empty |
| 18:54 | kados | it's just a bit down ... |
| 18:54 | my $ind2 = substr(@$indicator[$j],1,1); | |
| 18:54 | chris | right |
| 18:54 | kados | to be valid marc |
| 18:55 | it should have a blank value (space character) | |
| 18:55 | chris | yep |
| 18:55 | kados | if there's no real value |
| 18:55 | chris | so what you probably want to do then |
| 18:55 | my $ind2; | |
| 18:55 | kados | maybe start by filling it witha blank value? |
| 18:55 | my $ind2 = " "; | |
| 18:55 | chris | if (@$indicator[$j]){ |
| 18:56 | $ind2 = substr(@$indicator[$j],1,1); | |
| 18:56 | } | |
| 18:56 | else { | |
| 18:56 | warn "Indicator is empty"; | |
| 18:56 | kados | right |
| 18:56 | chris | $ind2=" "; |
| 18:56 | } | |
| 18:57 | might help track down problems in your marc that way | |
| 18:58 | kados | yup |
| 18:58 | cool, well other than that, Biblio.pm's clean :-) | |
| 19:06 | chris | cool |
| 01:13 | thd | kados: are you still there? |
| 01:16 | kados: are you populating indicators which no cataloguer has set to make warnings go away? | |
| 04:08 | paul | hello world. |
| 07:34 | kados | thd: is it incorrect to populate indicators with blank values? |
| 08:03 | paul, hdl? | |
| 08:03 | hdl | yes kados |
| 08:03 | kados | hdl: I hope my recent commits will help out |
| 08:04 | was it useful? | |
| 08:04 | hdl | Seems that zebra configuration files must be quite complete. |
| 08:05 | with coded fields defined in it. | |
| 08:05 | I didn't have time nor data to try and play with it. | |
| 08:05 | kados | for MARC21 yes |
| 08:05 | hdl | Mine are all UNIMARC. |
| 08:06 | kados | right |
| 08:06 | hdl | For unimarc, 100 coded field should be defined too. |
| 08:09 | paul | hello kados. |
| 08:09 | kados | hi paul |
| 08:09 | toins | hello all |
| 08:10 | kados | hi toins :-) |
| 08:10 | paul | (why the hell don't I have a <beep> when someone write my name on irc...) |
| 08:10 | kados | paul: beep |
| 08:10 | maybe only when your name is first? | |
| 08:10 | on mine it only works when my nick is first on a line | |
| 08:11 | toins | test paul .. |
| 08:11 | paul | ok, it works now ! |
| 08:11 | many thanks joshua for you mail | |
| 08:12 | kados | I hope it helps |
| 08:12 | paul | yep. Point 6 was very interesting imho : |
| 08:12 | 6. This evening I'll be taking a look at the rel_3_0 code for reserving | |
| 08:12 | specific items and if it's stable, merging it into dev_week. | |
| 08:12 | ||
| 08:12 | sounds everybody agrees that it's better to have only 1 branch ;-) | |
| 08:12 | kados | yes, unfortunately, 'this evening' will be again 'this evening' :-) |
| 08:12 | of course, I 100% agree :-) | |
| 08:13 | but as rel_3_0 is untested and has many new features I can't use it for clients | |
| 08:13 | paul | do you have some minuts to explain #9 (itemtype stuff, that is hardcoded) |
| 08:13 | kados | I have a demo for NPL in 45 minutes |
| 08:13 | and still a bit of programming to do :-) | |
| 08:13 | paul | you should ask alaurin & btoumi , but their reserve & borrower stuff has been heavily tested by their librarians. |
| 08:14 | kados | so maybe tomorrow would be better |
| 08:14 | paul | ok, so you'll explain later, or i'll dig myself |
| 08:14 | kados | the only place to dig is GetItemtypes |
| 08:14 | in Koha.pm | |
| 08:14 | paul | ok, i'll do it. |
| 08:15 | (i've nothing against hardcoded authorised_values, as I already created 4 ;-) bsort1, bsort2, asort1 and asort2. very usefull indeed...) | |
| 08:15 | alaurin | kados, i'd send you a mail to explain the reserves by items |
| 08:15 | kados | alaurin: thx |
| 08:16 | alaurin | read it, if you need something, call me |
| 08:16 | paul | alaurin: hello. could you remind btoumi that he should write a mail to koha-devel to explain what he will do on aquisitions ? |
| 08:17 | alaurin | we've done nothing to acquisitions ?????? |
| 08:18 | paul , are u sure is it for aquisitions ???? | |
| 08:18 | paul | oups, no. |
| 08:18 | it was for late issues & fines. | |
| 08:20 | alaurin | we'll do it as soon is possible |
| 08:32 | hdl | owen here ? |
| 08:35 | owen | hdl: you called? |
| 08:35 | hdl | hi |
| 08:35 | Yes. | |
| 08:36 | I called because when testing MARCdetail and addbiblio, I saw that Buttons were in fact forms. | |
| 08:36 | Contrary to what Pierrick and you decided, iirc. | |
| 08:37 | owen | In rel_2_2? |
| 08:37 | hdl | rel_3_0 |
| 08:37 | So I wanted to know whether this was | |
| 08:37 | deliberate. | |
| 08:37 | to hide links. | |
| 08:38 | Or if it was just a mistake. | |
| 08:38 | owen | That's just an unfinished task. Any form button can be converted to a link, unless it's a destructive action, like a delete. |
| 08:38 | hdl | Because it makes it hard to maintain. |
| 08:38 | OK. | |
| 08:38 | I correct all the links I see then.? | |
| 08:38 | . | |
| 08:38 | owen | Yes, please |
| 08:38 | hdl | thx. |
| 08:49 | tumer | kados:? |
| 08:50 | paul | hi tumer |
| 08:50 | dewey | hi tumer is, like, still strugling |
| 08:50 | tumer | hi paul |
| 08:51 | kados around? | |
| 08:51 | kados | tumer: I have a meeting in 10 minutes |
| 08:51 | tumer | when are you going to be free? |
| 08:52 | kados | later today ... in 5-6 hours |
| 08:53 | tumer | see you tonight than |
| 08:54 | paul:good luck | |
| 08:57 | owen | Paul :if you wait a few hours I can make sure NPL is up to date with your last few changes. I've got to go to a meeting now |
| 08:57 | paul | no problems. |
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