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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:46 | tumer | hi kados? |
| 12:47 | kados | tumer: hey |
| 12:47 | tumer: just committed some stuff | |
| 12:47 | tumer | I will not be able to attend tonight |
| 12:47 | kados | tumer: you might find useful |
| 12:48 | tumer: wow, no tumer, no paul, no pierrick | |
| 12:48 | tumer | about? |
| 12:48 | kados | tumer: Record.pm with a testing suite |
| 12:48 | tumer | I've seen it did not have time to play |
| 12:48 | kados | tumer: you can use it to test your system's capabilities to use the new API I'm proposing for records (which relies on MARC::* on the backend) |
| 12:49 | it's got some 'not fully implemented' features as well | |
| 12:49 | tumer | I'll do it soon but rather busy now have to attend a 4 day conf in Turkey this week |
| 12:49 | kados | ahh, cool |
| 12:49 | I'll try to get the stuff you committed yesterday working | |
| 12:50 | tumer: did you commit all the authorites management stuff? | |
| 12:50 | tumer | I suppose so |
| 12:50 | kados | tumer: is dev_week == tumer's production koha? |
| 12:51 | tumer | but I think there are bits that I have committed to head such as script to get marc into authorities table (i.e update from 2-2 to this ver) |
| 12:51 | I have to check these | |
| 12:52 | kados | k |
| 12:53 | tumer: anything else to discuss? | |
| 12:53 | tumer | I have not committed small bits. everything (with npl templates) regarding circulation, authorities marc editing and search |
| 12:53 | ok bye for now | |
| 12:53 | kados | small bits would be useful :-) |
| 12:54 | i assume nothing works without the small bits, right? :-) | |
| 12:54 | tumer | will get things complicated with hard coded NEU stuff |
| 12:54 | kados | ahh, I see |
| 12:54 | tumer | No everything I committed works |
| 12:54 | kados | cool |
| 12:55 | I'm gonna have owen work on the npl templates this week for dev-week | |
| 12:55 | tumer | how did your system go |
| 12:55 | kados | did you also commit the new z39.50 stuff? |
| 12:55 | tumer | being able to edit? witzh zebra |
| 12:56 | kados | I haven't had a chance to update with the latest commits |
| 12:56 | tumer | yes all new z39.50 staff |
| 12:56 | have to go se you | |
| 12:57 | kados | I'm planning to do that this afternoon |
| 14:18 | hey Nick | |
| 14:19 | Nick | heyoh. |
| 14:20 | whats up? | |
| 14:20 | hdl | helo |
| 14:27 | kados | hdl: you're definitely right that we need to start using XSLT |
| 14:28 | hdl | Maybe. But it wil be a hard time to get all stuff working. |
| 14:28 | But that would be REALLY helpful. | |
| 14:29 | are you using some in MARC2MODS ? | |
| 14:29 | kados | yea |
| 14:30 | LOC maintains a bunch of xslt files for mapping various records from/to each other | |
| 14:30 | we've got about 30 minutes before the meeting, right? | |
| 14:30 | hdl | yes. |
| 14:31 | kados | I'll bbiab |
| 14:46 | chris: you around yet? | |
| 14:49 | hey russ | |
| 14:49 | russ | hi |
| 14:49 | dewey | niihau, russ |
| 14:49 | kados | T-MINUS 20 MINUTES TO MEETING. AGENDA: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ndandnotes06may29 |
| 14:49 | please add any items you'd like to discuss to the agenda | |
| 14:55 | rebooting | |
| 14:59 | bout 1 minute remaining | |
| 14:59 | russ: anything you'd like to discuss at the mtg? | |
| 15:00 | hdl: ? | |
| 15:00 | hdl | yes |
| 15:00 | russ | no the status of the versions is of interest |
| 15:00 | hi hdl | |
| 15:00 | kados | hdl: can you add it to the agenda? |
| 15:00 | russ: can you go: | |
| 15:00 | hdl | hi |
| 15:00 | dewey | hi, hdl |
| 15:00 | kados | /mode +o kados |
| 15:01 | give me back my oper status ;-) | |
| 15:01 | russ | oh right |
| 15:01 | kados | your autoconnect is faster cause you're in NZ :-) |
| 15:02 | I'm afraid we don't have enough of a quorum for the Koha Versioning issue | |
| 15:02 | i think we should have paul, tumer and pierrick in on that one | |
| 15:03 | esp since paul's RM for rel_2_2 | |
| 15:03 | russ | agreed |
| 15:03 | hdl | yes |
| 15:03 | kados | so we'll bump that up to next week |
| 15:03 | does anyone have anything to say about it for the record? | |
| 15:03 | (asside from the fact that we need to do something about it? :-)) | |
| 15:04 | who's here? | |
| 15:04 | russ | me |
| 15:04 | kados | chris up yet? |
| 15:04 | russ | haven't seen him yet |
| 15:04 | hdl | I have to say that I am working on authorities. on a special branch. |
| 15:05 | Nick | me, but I don't matter much. |
| 15:05 | kados | hdl: how's it coming? |
| 15:05 | hdl | But it concerns UNIMARC specific authorities management. |
| 15:05 | kados | right |
| 15:05 | hdl | A new summary |
| 15:05 | amanda | morning all |
| 15:05 | kados | hi amanda |
| 15:05 | hdl | A new facility to show hierarchies |
| 15:05 | amanda | hi kados |
| 15:06 | kados | hdl++ |
| 15:07 | hdl | but still under development and wil have to get adapted to any authority MARC flavor. |
| 15:07 | kados | ok ... |
| 15:07 | I haven't taken a look yet | |
| 15:07 | but I would be glad to adapt it to MARC21 authorities | |
| 15:07 | though i suspect tumer will beat me to it :-) | |
| 15:08 | anything else in "News and Questions"? | |
| 15:08 | russ: where are you guys at with serials stuff? | |
| 15:08 | russ | i have done a little more work on the wiki |
| 15:08 | kados | wiki++ |
| 15:08 | hdl | I would be very glad to have tumer's work since he adapted biblio fwk for authorities. |
| 15:08 | kados | hdl: it's in dev_week |
| 15:08 | russ | but have got to a stage where i need to review some very old content |
| 15:08 | kados | hdl: he committed it yesterday |
| 15:09 | hdl | kados: I shall update and play with it. |
| 15:09 | russ | i might start firing emails to the list with links to determine if some of the content is still relevant |
| 15:09 | kados | that'd be great russ |
| 15:09 | there's a ton of old old old content there :-) | |
| 15:10 | russ | serials is in final testing with the client who requested the feature |
| 15:10 | kados | excellent |
| 15:10 | russ | amanda has written documentation for it, both online help and a manual |
| 15:10 | hdl | russ: do you itemize serials ? |
| 15:10 | kados | fantastic |
| 15:10 | amanda++ | |
| 15:10 | russ | so once we get the all clear on that we will work on committing it to HEAD |
| 15:10 | kados | great |
| 15:10 | russ | hdl: itemize? |
| 15:11 | hdl | barcode issues when they arrive. |
| 15:11 | russ | ah yes |
| 15:11 | amanda | yep |
| 15:11 | kados | russ: how close is rel_2_2 code and your serials stuff? |
| 15:11 | russ: is it mostly interface changes? | |
| 15:11 | russ | mostly |
| 15:11 | kados | cool |
| 15:12 | russ | our plan is to deploy it not as a replacement but as an alternative |
| 15:12 | kados | really? |
| 15:12 | russ | to the current serials module |
| 15:12 | kados | are you worried that it works differently than the current one? |
| 15:13 | russ | yep - i dont want to mess around paul and hdl's libraries |
| 15:13 | but i guess that is a decision for you :-) | |
| 15:13 | kados | it all depends on how differently they work |
| 15:13 | hdl | I think we will have to test it and see how it would be accepted here in France. |
| 15:14 | kados | if yours is based on the current one, it would make more sense to me to implement any changes as system preferences |
| 15:14 | russ | sure |
| 15:14 | hdl | And on the differences in database. |
| 15:14 | kados | it could be potentially confusing to have multiple serials modules that work 99% the same way |
| 15:15 | well, we'll wait till we see the commits i suppose | |
| 15:15 | anything else in News and Questions? | |
| 15:15 | russ | that is all i have |
| 15:16 | kados | k ... we're gonna skip Koha Versioning |
| 15:16 | chris about yet? | |
| 15:16 | otherwise, we'll have to skip Koha API as well | |
| 15:16 | chris | im here |
| 15:16 | kados | sweet |
| 15:17 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ndandnotes06may29 | |
| 15:17 | good morning chris :-) | |
| 15:17 | hdl | kados : Do you know about BiblioML ? |
| 15:17 | kados | hdl: no, what is it? |
| 15:18 | russ | see you later |
| 15:18 | kados | bye russ |
| 15:18 | hdl | http://www.biblioml.org/fr/dtds.html |
| 15:18 | kados | hdl: it's a set of dtds for dealing with UNIMARC records? |
| 15:18 | hdl | these are dtds for biblio and authorities management |
| 15:19 | kados | sweet |
| 15:19 | I'll have to take a look at that | |
| 15:19 | might find something useful for the new Record.pm | |
| 15:19 | so ... Koha API? | |
| 15:19 | chris: got a few minutes to discuss the new API? | |
| 15:20 | chris | yep |
| 15:20 | what about it ? :-) | |
| 15:20 | hdl | kados: pls detail your points. |
| 15:20 | kados | well ... |
| 15:21 | 1. as currently implemented, neither MARC libraries nor non-MARC libraries are fully happy with Koha | |
| 15:22 | because we're mapping an extensible framework (MARC) to a non-extensible one (old Koha tables) | |
| 15:22 | so the first issue to discuss is how to resolve this problem so that both types of libraries are happy | |
| 15:23 | chris and I discussed using an XSLT stylesheet to explain the Koha tables | |
| 15:23 | (I started one: http://liblime.com/public/koha-tables.dtd) | |
| 15:23 | sorry ... dtd | |
| 15:24 | chris and i discussed using a DTD to explain the koha tables | |
| 15:24 | and I was thinking that a DTD isn't all that different from the MARC frameworks | |
| 15:25 | if we could implement all the frameworks as DTDs, it would really simplify the process of supporting future record formats | |
| 15:25 | (I think) | |
| 15:26 | if we stored all the Koha table data in an XML file | |
| 15:26 | something like: | |
| 15:26 | <biblio> | |
| 15:26 | <biblionumber>1</biblionumber> | |
| 15:26 | <biblioitem> | |
| 15:27 | <item> | |
| 15:27 | etc ... | |
| 15:27 | hdl | what about visibility and values to be linked to authorised_values ? |
| 15:27 | kados | then we could use zebra to search, etc. |
| 15:28 | right | |
| 15:28 | well, I'm not sure yet, this is just an idea | |
| 15:28 | I'm no DTD expert either | |
| 15:29 | in fact, until this weekend, I'd never looked at one ;-) | |
| 15:29 | but I'm thinking we have: | |
| 15:29 | scratch that ... | |
| 15:29 | hdl | To my mind, dtds are not that flexible as framework. |
| 15:29 | kados | maybe not |
| 15:29 | chris: what do you think | |
| 15:30 | chris | basically what we want is a way to allow koha to function in a way taht allows people to work with the 3 tier biblio, group, items idea |
| 15:30 | kados | yep |
| 15:30 | chris | or deal directly with marc |
| 15:31 | so all we are seeking to achieve is a useful abstraction over the marc | |
| 15:31 | it would be best if the data was only stored once | |
| 15:32 | kados | I disagree that the goal is to abstract the MARC |
| 15:32 | that's what we do now | |
| 15:32 | chris | no we dont |
| 15:32 | kados | no? |
| 15:32 | chris | we populate a whole other bunch of tables |
| 15:32 | kados | then I dont' understand what that means :-) |
| 15:33 | chris | and return data from them |
| 15:33 | kados | what would be involved in abstraction over the marc? |
| 15:34 | chris | everything in programming is an abstraction over something, you dont present the data as its stored |
| 15:34 | kados | ok ... |
| 15:34 | chris | otherwise ud make everyone work in binary, or flick switches for voltages |
| 15:34 | kados | :-) |
| 15:35 | hdl | why not using an existing format then ? |
| 15:35 | chris | yep we could |
| 15:35 | hdl | Is there a format you would prefer ? |
| 15:35 | chris | what i was thinking about (its an early morning idea so might be crap) |
| 15:35 | hdl | Dublin-Core ? |
| 15:35 | chris | is that we store the bibliographical data in one place |
| 15:35 | and then, we have meta data about that data | |
| 15:36 | yes maybe in dublin core | |
| 15:36 | kados | hmmm |
| 15:36 | chris | im trying to avoid the situation we have now, of when we change the title say, we have to change biblio.title, marc_subfield, marc_word etc |
| 15:37 | kados | righ |
| 15:37 | t | |
| 15:37 | well ... maybe another way to do it | |
| 15:37 | hdl | the problem for us is to keep kind of backward compatibility... |
| 15:37 | kados | would be to store the koha tables data in XML |
| 15:37 | what I'm thinking about | |
| 15:38 | is the fact that we've had so many people ask if Koha could store non-MARC data | |
| 15:38 | chris | right |
| 15:38 | kados | if we had a way to define databases and types |
| 15:38 | chris | yeah |
| 15:38 | kados | as in types of databases |
| 15:38 | this one is 'marc' | |
| 15:38 | this one is 'dc' | |
| 15:38 | this one is 'koha' | |
| 15:39 | chris | actually yeah that might work |
| 15:40 | for the opac tho | |
| 15:40 | kados | it'd be ideal |
| 15:40 | because eventually we're going to want to search multiple databases | |
| 15:40 | chris | you'll still want to have some abstraction over marc |
| 15:40 | kados | in the opac |
| 15:40 | chris | or over dc |
| 15:40 | etc | |
| 15:40 | kados | hmmm |
| 15:40 | yea, true | |
| 15:41 | I guess ideally something like ISBD if properly implemented | |
| 15:41 | might be able to serve that purpose | |
| 15:41 | chris | true |
| 15:41 | kados | or MODS even |
| 15:41 | there are XSLT stylesheets for MODS that map between DC and MARC and MODS already | |
| 15:41 | chris | ideally, allowing the library to choose what displays on each page of the search in the opac would be the way to do it |
| 15:41 | kados | yea, definitely |
| 15:42 | hmmm | |
| 15:42 | chris | if the code say |
| 15:42 | sorry | |
| 15:42 | if they could say | |
| 15:42 | dc.creator = author display that here | |
| 15:43 | i dunno | |
| 15:43 | kados | yea, it's a tough one |
| 15:43 | everyone seen this?: | |
| 15:43 | http://liblime.com/public/koha-tables.dtd | |
| 15:43 | chris | yep |
| 15:43 | hdl | I overlooked |
| 15:44 | kados | woops, posted in the wrong link :-) |
| 15:44 | hdl | ... I've read DTDs were abandonned in favor of schemas |
| 15:44 | kados | http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/ |
| 15:44 | hdl: MODS Schema, you may be right :-) | |
| 15:45 | chris | that might be what we are after |
| 15:45 | kados | i implemented a basic marc2mods sub for Record.pm this morning |
| 15:45 | Nick | The DTDs are getting overcome by schemas for the more elaborate things.... |
| 15:45 | kados | using the xslt on that page |
| 15:46 | I'm actually planning to create a new perl module called MODS::Record | |
| 15:46 | and MODS::File::XML | |
| 15:46 | to deal with mods records | |
| 15:46 | but I could use some help knowing how best to implement parts of that | |
| 15:46 | I've not done much OO programming | |
| 15:47 | and not sure how best to open files, etc. in a module like that | |
| 15:47 | chris | i dont like OO much at all |
| 15:47 | kados | no? |
| 15:47 | chris | nope |
| 15:47 | kados | it seems to be the way that MARC::* and DublinCore::* are done |
| 15:47 | chris | yep |
| 15:47 | kados | as well as Net::Z3950::* |
| 15:48 | chris | i dont hate it |
| 15:48 | kados | :-) |
| 15:48 | chris | i just prefer old school functions and procedures |
| 15:48 | kados | yea, that's how Koha is written I suppose |
| 15:49 | hdl | PERL6 is getting more and more OO too. |
| 15:49 | chris | im yet to be convinced OO does anything other than add confusion |
| 15:49 | kados | i was gonna ask whether we planned to go OO or not |
| 15:49 | chris | i dont really mind either way as long as we document the hell out of the methods |
| 15:49 | kados | yea |
| 15:49 | check out Record.pm :-) | |
| 15:49 | I documented the hell out of it :-) | |
| 15:49 | chris | maybe i dont like OO because usually its really hard to figure out whats going on |
| 15:50 | kados | yea, I have had that prob |
| 15:50 | chris | so its less the styles fault, more the people writing in that style :) |
| 15:50 | kados | just figured it was because I wasn't a programmer |
| 15:50 | chris | naw |
| 15:50 | its just another layer of abstraction | |
| 15:50 | kados | there are two programming questions I've got |
| 15:50 | chris | it really is all functions in the background |
| 15:50 | you are just pretending its an object :) | |
| 15:51 | kados | 1. how do I implement a perl API for a C utility? |
| 15:52 | 2. how do I open files properly in a module like MODS::Record | |
| 15:53 | (ie, I've got some XSLT files I need to open, and not where to put them, etc, so they're not hardcoded to my specific directory structure | |
| 15:53 | chris | 1. not sure off the top of my head, i suspect in lots of different ways |
| 15:53 | 2. yeah thats a tricky one | |
| 15:53 | hdl | 1 is dealt in Porgramming Perl (O'Reilly book) |
| 15:54 | s//programing/ | |
| 15:54 | kados | hdl: ok, I'll check it out |
| 15:54 | chris | when you create you mods::record object you could create it with a path |
| 15:54 | that you pass to it | |
| 15:54 | and the files could live under that path | |
| 15:54 | Nick | Chris - if it helps there is another o'reilly book that might help (with the OO thing) |
| 15:55 | "Learning Perl Objects, References and Modules" - Schwartz. | |
| 15:55 | chris | the same way you do for html::template |
| 15:55 | ahh cool nick | |
| 15:55 | i like randal schwartz | |
| 15:55 | he bought me a beer once :-) | |
| 15:55 | kados | heh |
| 15:55 | Nick | hehe. |
| 15:55 | hdl | btw I owe you one :) |
| 15:55 | chris | next time you're in nz hdl :-) |
| 15:57 | kados: does that html::template bit help? | |
| 15:57 | kados | hmmm |
| 15:57 | kind of | |
| 15:57 | hdl | what about rebuild_zebra_idx... |
| 15:57 | kados | hdl: what about it? |
| 15:58 | I found this great set of record utilities: | |
| 15:58 | http://www.scripps.edu/~cdputn[…]oftware/bibutils/ | |
| 15:58 | hdl | If you could get some parameters and not only biblios directory.. |
| 15:58 | kados | but they're implemented in C |
| 15:59 | hence the first question | |
| 15:59 | anything else to discuss at our mtg? | |
| 15:59 | chris | my $mods = MODS::Record->(path => '/path/to/files'); |
| 15:59 | kados | ahh |
| 16:00 | well ... thing is | |
| 16:00 | I'd like to avoid making people download the files separately | |
| 16:00 | I'd rather distribute them with the modul | |
| 16:00 | e | |
| 16:00 | I tried to figure out how MARC::Charset does it | |
| 16:00 | but got a bit lost :-) | |
| 16:00 | chris | it'll put them in /usr/local/share or something |
| 16:01 | if you can control where the files get put, then you can have a hardcoded ref to them | |
| 16:01 | kados | hmmm |
| 16:01 | is hardcoded reference to libraries good programming practice? :-) | |
| 16:02 | chris | the thing with modules like MARC::Charset |
| 16:02 | hdl | but Linux, windows, MAC seems quite nonesense to have one thing hardcoded. |
| 16:02 | chris | is that the get installed with a Makefile.PL |
| 16:02 | and make and make install | |
| 16:03 | that can do things like put files somewhere, put the paht of where they are going in the module etc | |
| 16:03 | kados | I see : |
| 16:03 | my $path = $INC{'MARC/Charset/Table.pm'}; | |
| 16:03 | yea, I plan to use makefile.PL for MODS::Record | |
| 16:04 | chris | h2xs |
| 16:04 | is your friend | |
| 16:04 | h2xs -XAn MODS::Record | |
| 16:04 | try that in /tmp | |
| 16:04 | kados | k |
| 16:07 | k, I've got some reading / programming to do | |
| 16:07 | thanks for the help guys | |
| 16:07 | chris | no problem |
| 16:09 | ohh nick is nick ... from the olden days | |
| 16:09 | how the heck are you? | |
| 16:11 | hdl | see you. |
| 16:11 | kados | bye hdl |
| 16:11 | chris | night hdl |
| 16:11 | kados | I've got to get a snack |
| 16:11 | bbiab | |
| 16:14 | Nick | Pretty good. |
| 16:14 | Looking at getting back to a more normal life. | |
| 16:14 | chris | :-) |
| 16:14 | Nick | And apologies for my excessive silence! |
| 16:14 | Or something like that. | |
| 16:14 | chris | no problem, good to have you back around |
| 16:19 | Nick | Good to have the chance... |
| 16:24 | catch y'all later. | |
| 16:24 | chris | cya nick |
| 16:30 | kados | btw, in case anyone's interested, here's NPL's testing platform for Zebra: |
| 16:30 | http://zoomopac.liblime.com/cg[…]catalogue-home.pl | |
| 16:30 | based on dev-week code, with some local modifs | |
| 16:31 | chris | brb gotta make some phone calls |
| 16:31 | kados | k, have fun |
| 16:58 | rach | morning |
| 16:58 | chris | morning rach |
| 16:59 | rosa | morning from me too |
| 16:59 | rach | rosa we had a very exciting morning - ben did his first proper roll from front to back |
| 17:00 | rosa | oh exciting indeed |
| 17:00 | was he surprised? | |
| 17:00 | rach | he was, but quite excited so we did it only a hundred more times :-) |
| 17:01 | rosa | just to prove it wasn't an accident |
| 17:02 | rach | yep |
| 17:02 | first time the falling over bit was an accident | |
| 17:02 | but then he very carefully did it some more times | |
| 17:03 | rosa | oh, intelligent, too! |
| 17:03 | rach | yep - is careful with his head |
| 18:14 | kados | chris: what's the difference between dynamically loading and statically linking a library? |
| 18:14 | chris | ahh statically linking a library you include that library in your code |
| 18:15 | dynamically linking you link to a version of that library | |
| 18:15 | for ege | |
| 18:15 | you can compile apache with mod_perl included | |
| 18:15 | or you can load it as a module | |
| 18:16 | kados | interesting |
| 18:16 | chris | /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_perl.so |
| 18:16 | dynamic library | |
| 18:16 | kados | so i could actually include binutils header files in my BinUtils module |
| 18:16 | and it would be statically linked | |
| 18:17 | ie, the user wouldn't need to install the real binutils | |
| 18:17 | chris | you compile it into your code |
| 18:17 | im not sure you can statically link with perl | |
| 18:17 | kados | otherwise, i could dynamically load the header files from the real binutils |
| 18:17 | perldoc perlxs | |
| 18:17 | chris | im not sure the concept holds for interpreted languages |
| 18:17 | kados | perldoc perlxstut |
| 18:18 | perlxs seems to indicate either one is possible | |
| 18:18 | The XS interface is combined with the library to create | |
| 18:18 | a new library which can then be either dynamically loaded or statically | |
| 18:18 | linked into perl. | |
| 18:18 | chris | ahh |
| 18:18 | kados | or is that something different? |
| 18:18 | chris | It is commonly thought that if a system does not have the capability to dynamically load a library, you cannot |
| 18:18 | build XSUBs. This is incorrect. You can build them, but you must link the XSUBs subroutines with the rest of | |
| 18:18 | Perl, creating a new executable. | |
| 18:19 | if you want a statically linked xsub you need a new perl | |
| 18:19 | kados | ahh |
| 18:19 | gotcha, so it's probably better to dynamically load then | |
| 18:19 | chris | yep |
| 18:19 | kados | k ... |
| 18:19 | i also read up on OO | |
| 18:20 | I think I'm gonna implement MODS::Record as OO just to get some experience working with it | |
| 18:20 | plus it seems to be the style of choice when dealing with bib records in perl | |
| 18:21 | this stuff gets complex real fast :-) | |
| 18:21 | I keep telling myself I need to take some programming classes | |
| 18:21 | chris | :-) what were you seeking to achieve with you linking? |
| 18:21 | with your linking even | |
| 18:22 | kados | well ... I've got this tookit called bibutils, written in C |
| 18:22 | it does some really killer stuff like: | |
| 18:22 | # bib2xml - convert bibtex to XML intermediate | |
| 18:22 | # copac2xml - convert COPAC format references to XML intermediate | |
| 18:22 | # end2xml - convert endnote to XML intermediate | |
| 18:22 | # isi2xml - convert ISI web of science to XML intermediate | |
| 18:22 | # med2xml - convert Pubmed XML references to XML intermediate | |
| 18:22 | # modsclean - a MODS to MODS converter for testing puposes mostly | |
| 18:22 | # ris2xml - convert RIS format to XML intermediate | |
| 18:22 | # xml2bib - convert XML intermediate into bibtex | |
| 18:22 | chris | ahh cool |
| 18:22 | kados | # xml2ris - convert XML intermediate into RIS format |
| 18:22 | # xml2end - convert XML intermediate into format for EndNote | |
| 18:22 | etc. | |
| 18:22 | stuff we'd kill to have in Koha | |
| 18:22 | chris | so you are wanting to build a perl wrapper? |
| 18:22 | kados | so I want to write a perl API for it |
| 18:22 | yea | |
| 18:23 | chris | righto |
| 18:23 | kados | so then I can just use Wrapper::BibUtils |
| 18:23 | in Record.pm | |
| 18:23 | chris | yep |
| 18:23 | kados | and have access to all that stuff |
| 18:23 | chris | makes sense |
| 18:23 | kados | cool |
| 18:24 | hopefully by mid-week you'll see MODS::Record and Wrapper::BibUtils as well as some nice modifs to C4::Record | |
| 18:24 | btw ... | |
| 18:24 | what's with the Koha C4 directory | |
| 18:24 | why is it named C4? | |
| 18:24 | should't we rename it to Koha? | |
| 18:25 | chris | http://search.cpan.org/src/MIR[…]Net/Z3950/ZOOM.pm |
| 18:25 | can if you want | |
| 18:25 | just make sure you replace every instance of C4 with Koha :) | |
| 18:25 | kados | just curious historically why C4 was named C4 :-) |
| 18:25 | (yea, of course :-) | |
| 18:25 | I was thinking it would be cool to have Koha up on CPAN | |
| 18:26 | chris | 2 reasons |
| 18:26 | kados | rosa's just telling me :-) |
| 18:26 | chris | cool |
| 18:27 | http://opac.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]-detail.pl?bib=12 | |
| 18:27 | if you can find an updated version of this joshua | |
| 18:27 | kados | heh, that's a cool reason for the name C4 |
| 18:27 | chris | its a good theoretical grounding |
| 18:27 | kados | k, thanks |
| 18:28 | chris | makes the practical more comprehensible i find |
| 18:28 | kados | cool |
| 18:28 | so was C4 going to be the original name of Koha? | |
| 18:28 | chris | it was just a working name |
| 18:28 | kados | kinda like C and C++ and C# :-) |
| 18:28 | chris | until we came up with a real one |
| 18:29 | there were a few tossed around before koha was settled on | |
| 18:29 | i forget the others | |
| 18:29 | kados | what's your thought on CPAN? |
| 18:29 | chris | i remember sitting in a cafe with rachel, rosa, jo and si .. and probably olwen too talking about names |
| 18:29 | i think thats a good idea | |
| 18:29 | kados | think we'll see a day when we can just install Koha from CPAN? |
| 18:30 | chris | well, most of it |
| 18:30 | all the modules anyway | |
| 18:30 | kados | right |
| 18:30 | chris | its another thing to keep up to date |
| 18:30 | BUT | |
| 18:30 | if we had it in cpan | |
| 18:30 | then it would be easier to get | |
| 18:30 | kados | yea |
| 18:30 | chris | lib-koha-perl |
| 18:31 | in debian for instance | |
| 18:31 | kados | yea |
| 18:31 | chris | or |
| 18:31 | libkoha-modules-perl | |
| 18:32 | i think first priority | |
| 18:32 | fixing the bundle | |
| 18:32 | kados | yea ... i think I actually have write access on PAUSE for that |
| 18:32 | i forget now | |
| 18:33 | why'd you post the zoom link above | |
| 18:33 | chris | oh, cos its the wrapper to the c libs for zoom |
| 18:33 | kados | as an example of a dynamically linked XS? |
| 18:34 | chris | yes |
| 18:34 | kados | yea, I couldn't really figure that out :-) |
| 18:34 | chris | ok lets find a better one :) |
| 18:35 | kados | \ |
| 18:35 | oops | |
| 18:35 | chris | http://search.cpan.org/src/DAN[…]ang-0.07/Slang.pm |
| 18:36 | dunno if thats any more comprehensible :) | |
| 18:36 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 18:36 | is that all there is to it? | |
| 18:36 | ie, that's the whole deal? | |
| 18:37 | chris | http://search.cpan.org/src/GIR[…]es-1.13/Curses.pm |
| 18:37 | theres a bigger one | |
| 18:38 | with lots of comments | |
| 18:38 | kados | smallness is good :-) |
| 18:39 | chris | i *think* thats all there is to it |
| 18:40 | you define all the names, which are the same names as in the c | |
| 18:40 | then use the dynaloader | |
| 18:40 | and it works | |
| 18:40 | but maybe thats just wishful thinking :) | |
| 18:41 | kados | there's also the XS file: |
| 18:41 | http://search.cpan.org/src/DAN[…]ang-0.07/Slang.xs | |
| 18:41 | chris | right |
| 18:42 | id try it with just the version | |
| 18:42 | or just one function | |
| 18:42 | kados | yea |
| 19:15 | hey tumer | |
| 19:15 | tumer | hi kados |
| 19:15 | how did the meeting go | |
| 19:16 | I could not read the logs it seems off at the momemnt | |
| 19:16 | kados | pretty well |
| 19:16 | ahh ... too bad | |
| 19:16 | chris: logbot is off? | |
| 19:16 | no, seems to be up | |
| 19:17 | tumer | well not the link from wiki |
| 19:17 | hi chris | |
| 19:17 | kados | seems to be working: |
| 19:17 | http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.p[…]saveas=&save=save | |
| 19:18 | chris | it should be working |
| 19:18 | tumer | kados: regarding my commits |
| 19:18 | kados | yes? |
| 19:18 | tumer | I did not leave behind anything as you thought |
| 19:19 | everything about circulation search biblio & authorities management is there | |
| 19:20 | all other modules I did not commit because of incompatibilities of coding | |
| 19:20 | kados | what other modules? |
| 19:21 | :-) | |
| 19:21 | tumer | well serials acquisition etc. |
| 19:21 | kados | does your serials acquisition differ greatly from what's in rel_2_2? |
| 19:22 | is it built on what's there? | |
| 19:22 | (now we have three versions of serials in Koha!) | |
| 19:22 | tumer | if I commit everything it gets more complicated. Hourly charged reserve section circulation, barcode based reserves ... |
| 19:22 | kados | (paul/hdl's, katipo's, and tumer's) |
| 19:23 | wow ... I didn't realize you'd done that | |
| 19:23 | chris: hourly charged reserves ! | |
| 19:23 | chris: wonder how similar that would be to what Toledo wants | |
| 19:23 | chris | quite different |
| 19:23 | but useful nonetheless | |
| 19:23 | kados | barcode based reserves is what NPL wants |
| 19:24 | tumer | no not reserves! |
| 19:24 | chris | oh thats already done |
| 19:24 | kados | yea in head |
| 19:24 | not reserves? | |
| 19:24 | chris | hourly based issues id be interested in |
| 19:24 | kados | ann ... |
| 19:24 | hourly based issues | |
| 19:24 | chris | yeah |
| 19:24 | thats something useful for lots of libraries | |
| 19:24 | tumer | hourly charged circulation material which we call reserve section |
| 19:24 | kados | yea, all that stuff is highly desired |
| 19:25 | but I know what you mean about complicating things | |
| 19:25 | chris | maybe we need to merge it in with a systempref or so |
| 19:25 | kados | we've got to fix this versioning stuff |
| 19:26 | tumer | its getting more complicated than systemprefs |
| 19:26 | we have to merge at one point | |
| 19:26 | chris | yes |
| 19:26 | kados | my idea would be to have: |
| 19:27 | rel_2_2 -> 2.2.6 | |
| 19:27 | dev_week -> 2.4 | |
| 19:27 | head -> 3.0 | |
| 19:27 | chris | head is head |
| 19:27 | kados | yea ... branch when it gets stable |
| 19:27 | chris | it wont get stable |
| 19:27 | :) | |
| 19:27 | kados | hehe |
| 19:27 | chris | seriously it wont |
| 19:27 | we will want to branch when we call feature freeze | |
| 19:28 | and then make that branch stable | |
| 19:28 | tumer | I want to know whether someone using dev-week can actually setup a system |
| 19:28 | it works for me but thats not good enough | |
| 19:29 | kados | NPL's going to be testing it starting at the endo fo this week |
| 19:29 | chris | yeah if we want 2.4 to come from there we should do a 2.3.0 release (a dev one) from dev_week |
| 19:29 | and then a 2.3.1 etc .. until we get it to a point where its good enough for 2.4 | |
| 19:29 | kados | huh ... an actual release, eh? |
| 19:30 | chris | release early release often |
| 19:30 | kados | tumer: http://zoomopac.liblime.com/cg[…]catalogue-home.pl |
| 19:30 | chris | we havent done an unstable release in ages |
| 19:30 | kados | true |
| 19:30 | I can't remember one in fact :-) | |
| 19:30 | chris | well leading into 2.2 and 2.0 we did them |
| 19:30 | and up to 1.2 | |
| 19:31 | there were a lot of 1.1.x release etc | |
| 19:31 | you cetainly can spot how far you are away pretty easily | |
| 19:32 | kados | side note: |
| 19:32 | tumer: did you see my mail I forwarded to you about attr 3=? | |
| 19:32 | tumer | kados:no |
| 19:33 | kados | tumer: i don't think you get email from me for some reason |
| 19:33 | tumer | any mails from you do not come |
| 19:33 | kados | weird |
| 19:34 | I'll have to start using koha-devel to email to you :-) | |
| 19:34 | tumer | very |
| 19:34 | well at least use my hotmail and notify me on koha-devel | |
| 19:34 | kados | what's the hotmail again? |
| 19:35 | tumer | tumergariphotmail.com |
| 19:35 | kados | k |
| 19:36 | tumer: forwarded that email from ID | |
| 19:36 | tumer: on attr 3 | |
| 19:38 | tumer | chris:whta time is it there? |
| 19:38 | chris | 12.38pm on tuesday |
| 19:39 | kados | tumer: based on Sebs response, I'm wondering if you're thinking of removing the 'starting with' or re-implementing it as he describes? |
| 19:41 | tumer: check your spam filter :-) | |
| 19:41 | tumer | kados:since we can not use it I'll remove it |
| 19:42 | kados: I'll add the functionality of 'whole of subfield' | |
| 19:43 | which will mean an exact match say for a title | |
| 19:43 | kados | well ... almost |
| 19:43 | it won't catch cross-subfield titles like | |
| 19:43 | Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring | |
| 19:43 | but probably close enough | |
| 19:43 | tumer | just to give opportunity to reduce number of hits when needed |
| 19:43 | kados | yep |
| 19:44 | chris | yeah |
| 19:44 | tumer | its already implemented with authorities -committed |
| 19:44 | kados | excellen |
| 19:45 | t | |
| 19:45 | I've got to get some dinner | |
| 19:45 | talk to you guys later | |
| 19:45 | chris | cya later |
| 19:46 | tumer | and me some sleep at 03:45am |
| 19:46 | chris | sleep well tumer |
| 19:46 | thanks for your hard work | |
| 19:46 | tumer | bye chris |
| 21:12 | kados | funny ... |
| 21:12 | http://dev.perl.org/perl6/architecture.html | |
| 21:12 | One of the major reasons to revisit Perl was to fix the mess that is XS (the way you extend Perl with C or C++ subroutines). Perl5 has no API for extension, separate from the functions used to implement Perl, and extending Perl requires hideous amounts of work. Dan and Larry are aiming to make C extensions as easy as they possibly can be (Brian Ingerson's excellent perl5 Inline modules give some directions for this). Anyone who has used XS looks forward to its dem | |
| 21:13 | chris | yeah theres lots to look forward to in perl 6 |
| 21:14 | did you see this | |
| 21:14 | http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=494927 | |
| 21:14 | (speaking of funny) | |
| 21:15 | kados | hehe |
| 21:25 | looks like Inline.pm 's the way to go here | |
| 21:25 | you can actually run C code without messing with anything | |
| 21:26 | chris | sounds good to me |
| 21:26 | kados | perl -e 'use Inline C=> |
| 21:26 | q{void J(){printf("Just Another Perl Hacker\n");}};J' | |
| 21:26 | and since conversion is never high-priority for speed | |
| 21:26 | chris | yeah |
| 21:26 | kados | I figure we can get away with it |
| 21:26 | chris | does it run compiled c? |
| 21:26 | kados | haven't gotten that far |
| 21:27 | yep | |
| 21:27 | The most common real world need for Inline is probably using it to access existing compiled C code from Perl. This is easy to do. The secret is to write a wrapper function for each function you want to expose in Perl space. The wrapper calls the real function. | |
| 21:27 | hehe | |
| 21:27 | perfect | |
| 21:27 | chris | cool |
| 22:23 | kados | so, looking at Inline, here's how to access readline() from the GNU ReadLine Library: |
| 22:23 | package MyTerm; | |
| 22:23 | use Inline C => Config => | |
| 22:23 | ENABLE => AUTOWRAP => | |
| 22:23 | LIBS => "-lreadline -lncurses -lterminfo -ltermcap "; | |
| 22:24 | use Inline C => q{ char * readline(char *); }; | |
| 22:24 | as described here: | |
| 22:24 | http://search.cpan.org/~ingy/I[…]Function_Wrappers | |
| 22:24 | package main; | |
| 22:24 | my $x = MyTerm::readline("xyz: "); | |
| 22:24 | I only had one quarter of C way back when, and don't remember much ... | |
| 22:24 | LIBS => "lreadline, etc' | |
| 22:25 | would those be the header files? or the .c files? | |
| 22:25 | (or the bin files?) | |
| 22:25 | say I've got the function xml2end | |
| 22:26 | which exists in bin/xml2end.c | |
| 22:26 | (in the bibutils stuff) | |
| 22:27 | chris | good question |
| 22:27 | i havent written any c since 1992 | |
| 22:27 | kados | hehe |
| 22:27 | it goes on to say: | |
| 22:27 | We access existing functions by merely showing Inline their declarations, rather than a full definition. Of course the function declared must exist, either in a library already linked to Perl or in a library specified using the LIBS option. | |
| 22:27 | so it seems I need: | |
| 22:28 | chris | im guessing u are linking to the .so files |
| 22:28 | kados | 1. the function name and it's 'declarations' (whatever that means) |
| 22:28 | and 2. the library where they exist | |
| 22:28 | .so, eh | |
| 22:28 | chris | thats my guess |
| 22:28 | course ld does the linking for ya | |
| 22:29 | kados | http://www.scripps.edu/~cdputn[…]tils_3.24_src.tgz |
| 22:29 | is where the source for bibutils lives | |
| 22:29 | chris | it might not be compiled into a dynamically linkable chunk of code |
| 22:29 | kados | ahh, maybe I need to actually install it first |
| 22:29 | chris | actually i lie |
| 22:30 | its probably the .h | |
| 22:30 | files | |
| 22:30 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 22:30 | chris | actually i have no idea |
| 22:30 | kados | heh |
| 22:30 | chris | i just know that when you are compiling, or making something |
| 22:30 | -lsomelib | |
| 22:31 | means link in that library | |
| 22:32 | kados | ahh |
| 22:33 | maybe it's the object files | |
| 22:33 | well, I'm getting awful tired | |
| 22:33 | I'll hack on this some more tomorrow | |
| 22:33 | cheers | |
| 03:20 | hdl | hi |
| 03:20 | dewey | hi, hdl |
| 03:21 | ToinS | salut hdl |
| 03:33 | qiqo | hello everyboday |
| 03:34 | anyone home? | |
| 03:34 | paul | hello qiqo. |
| 03:34 | qiqo | hi paul |
| 03:34 | paul poulan? | |
| 03:34 | paul | yep |
| 03:34 | qiqo | ei how are you |
| 03:34 | how was dev week | |
| 03:34 | paul | fine, thanks. |
| 03:35 | qiqo | any development with 3.0? |
| 03:35 | paul | devWeek was very very interesting, but also very tiring ! |
| 03:35 | many. although koha 3.0 is not ready yet | |
| 03:35 | qiqo | how i wished i was there,, but you know, we lack the money |
| 03:35 | is zebra doing fine? | |
| 03:36 | paul | tumer (from cyprus), did a wonderful work on this topic. |
| 03:36 | qiqo | wow |
| 03:36 | ei, ive a question, can i remotely access the intranet part of koha even if i am out of that netwoek? | |
| 03:37 | paul | yep, if your apache virtual host permit this ! |
| 03:37 | qiqo | hows that? |
| 03:37 | paul | it's not a Koha problem, but a TCP-IP / Apache one. |
| 03:37 | qiqo | ahh.. |
| 03:37 | so am i to configure apache? | |
| 03:38 | how will i know if its permitted.. | |
| 03:38 | paul | yes, you have to look at apache config file, and maybe your firewall/gateway config. |
| 03:38 | qiqo | i really have to work outside because i still am at school so i need to access my client's intranet |
| 03:38 | ahh alright,, my opac is runing great outside the network | |
| 03:41 | another question, well as ive told you before, i am planing to have a linux distro with koha integrated with it. How come there are no projects like this before? | |
| 03:41 | paul | I think there are or were some. although not necessary uptodate. |
| 03:42 | but none of them is supported officially. This could change if someone want to. | |
| 03:42 | qiqo | actually im done with the System analysis, and right now, i am facing difficulties with packing the perl modules as a debian package, eventually i might surpass these hardships you know |
| 03:43 | ohh so to whom shall I ask for its official support? | |
| 03:44 | you know, an ILS integrated with a linux distro is badly needed in my country since a portion of our archipelago has internet | |
| 03:44 | and libraries usually are at the remote places.. | |
| 03:46 | geez.. i talk too much, sorry :) | |
| 03:46 | paul | qiqo: Koha just need someone saying "i'll package a distro with Koha included, and maintain it". If, after discussion (on koha-devel probably), it appears the guy saying this is serious and should be able to do this on a long term, then it's donne. |
| 03:47 | the guy will be applied "Koha-distro manager" ;-) | |
| 03:48 | qiqo | hmmm.. wow,, i really should have a product here since this is my thesis on my undergrade |
| 03:48 | *undergrad.. | |
| 03:48 | hehe | |
| 03:48 | paul | the question is not only "have a product", but also : |
| 03:48 | - share the tools used to create it | |
| 03:49 | - be sure to have a "long-term" update of the product. | |
| 03:49 | qiqo | and i think, i will be obliged to maintain this because i have a line of beneficiaries since this will be implemented to public libraries here in the Phlippines |
| 03:49 | :) | |
| 03:50 | ei is 3.0 available at the CVS? | |
| 03:50 | paul | another point : the tool, to be official, must let you choose between, for example, language and marc flavour. It can't be only 1 language & 1 marc (marc21 or unimarc) |
| 03:50 | of course, everything is on CVS. | |
| 03:50 | qiqo | alright |
| 03:50 | paul | but it don't work at all atm ! |
| 03:51 | qiqo | hmmm.. well linux is very flexible right? so one has the option to choose his/her native language |
| 03:51 | and i believe has other language support too, right? | |
| 03:52 | and i believe koha has other language support too, right? | |
| 03:55 | well ei gotta go, i will send apport to you a report regarding the development of my project,, thanks paul | |
| 03:55 | paul | your welcome. |
| 03:55 | qiqo | more power to us |
| 04:21 | hdl | hi tumer |
| 05:22 | paul | hello pierrick |
| 05:23 | pierrick | hello paul |
| 05:23 | sorry but I forgot the meeting yesterday :-/ My son had som "difficulties" to sleep | |
| 05:24 | paul | I told everybody we would probably miss the meeting as we were in Lyon. so, they where not surprised ! |
| 05:25 | chris | hi paul and pierrick |
| 05:25 | paul | hi kiwi. |
| 05:25 | chris | heh |
| 05:25 | paul | how are things ? |
| 05:25 | ToinS | hi all ! |
| 05:25 | chris | hiya toins |
| 05:25 | things are good | |
| 05:26 | busy but good, how are things there? | |
| 05:26 | paul | busy too. |
| 05:26 | and a lot of wind today ! | |
| 05:26 | nope | |
| 05:26 | chris | the first time wellington made it to the final |
| 05:27 | and most of the game was hidden by fog | |
| 05:27 | and we lost :( | |
| 05:27 | pierrick | hi chris, hi ToinS |
| 05:28 | ToinS | hi pierrick |
| 05:31 | chris | paul: are france touring this year? |
| 05:31 | paul | touring ? |
| 05:33 | chris | coming down to the southern hemisphere to play against australia or south africa, or argentina ... i know you arent playing against nz in our winter |
| 05:35 | :-) | |
| 05:35 | nz play brazil in switzerland soon | |
| 05:35 | thats the only soccer news i know :) | |
| 05:38 | ok i think i have everything ready for my meeting tomorrow time to go to bed i think | |
| 05:38 | paul | bye chris. |
| 05:38 | chris | bye |
| 05:38 | paul | sweet dreams to you & your wife |
| 05:38 | (how's she ?) | |
| 05:39 | chris | shes good, shes writing up about the galleries she went to in marseille |
| 05:39 | for her work | |
| 05:39 | paul | and baby ? |
| 05:39 | dewey | well, baby is really fine :-) |
| 07:46 | kados | morning all |
| 07:47 | I guess Context.pm is object-oriented | |
| 07:47 | or at least it tries to be :-) | |
| 07:49 | paul | hello kados. |
| 07:49 | you're right, Context.pm is OO | |
| 07:49 | + I now have my 1st UN library too : 1 for katipo, 1 for you & 1 for me ;-) | |
| 07:50 | (a small migration contract) | |
| 07:58 | kados | cool |
| 07:58 | which one? | |
| 07:58 | paul | unu-merit |
| 07:58 | http://www.merit.unu.edu/ | |
| 07:59 | kados | nice |
| 08:06 | paul: I'm not familiar with OO programming that much | |
| 08:06 | tumer has written: | |
| 08:06 | my $oConnection=C4::Context->Zconn("biblioserver"); | |
| 08:06 | in Search.pm in dev_week | |
| 08:06 | then, in Context.pm: | |
| 08:06 | sub Zconn { | |
| 08:06 | my $self = shift; | |
| 08:06 | my $server=shift; | |
| 08:06 | but when I do a warn on the next line: | |
| 08:06 | warn "SELF:".$self." SERVER".$server; | |
| 08:07 | SERVER doesn't have 'biblioserver' | |
| 08:07 | (though $self has C4::Context) | |
| 08:07 | paul: can you see anything wrong with the syntax above? | |
| 08:07 | paul | what is in self ? |
| 08:07 | what says Data::dumper ? | |
| 08:08 | kados | what should I pass to Data::Dumper, @_? |
| 08:09 | paul | $self and $server 1st I think. |
| 08:09 | or @_, it should be useful too | |
| 08:13 | kados | it seems it only has $VAR1 = 'C4::Context'; |
| 08:13 | so where did "biblioserver" go? | |
| 08:16 | paul | mmm... good question... |
| 08:18 | (but suspect there is a problem if you try to connect to 2 different servers : the 1st one will make $context->Zconn exist, and &new_Zconn won't be called. | |
| 08:19 | so, you can have only 1 connexion here. | |
| 08:19 | (unless i'm missing something) | |
| 08:21 | kados | the original Context.pm could handle multiple contexts |
| 08:22 | at least it claims to in the docs ;-) | |
| 08:22 | the bottom line question si | |
| 08:22 | why isn't: | |
| 08:22 | my $oConnection=C4::Context->Zconn("biblioserver"); | |
| 08:22 | passing "biblioserver" to the Zconn sub as the second argument? | |
| 08:23 | IIRC, first argument is always class in OO right? | |
| 08:33 | paul | kados : right. |
| 09:02 | kados | so we have a system in Koha, Context.pm, and noone knows how to use it :-) |
| 09:02 | great! :-) | |
| 09:03 | paul | lol |
| 09:13 | kados | hey owen |
| 09:13 | how was the weekend? | |
| 09:13 | owen | Hot! |
| 09:14 | kados | heh |
| 09:15 | owen: just noticed a bit of a glitch in the OPAC when displaying long URLs ... | |
| 09:15 | http://wipoopac.liblime.com/cg[…]etail.pl?bib=4719 | |
| 09:15 | hey tumer | |
| 09:15 | tumer | hi kados |
| 09:15 | kados | tumer: i discovered the problem with Context.pm |
| 09:15 | tumer | yes? |
| 09:16 | kados | tumer: in Search.pm you have: |
| 09:16 | my $oConnection=C4::Context->Zconn("biblioserver"); | |
| 09:16 | and in Context.pm: | |
| 09:16 | tumer | hmm |
| 09:16 | kados | sub Zconn { |
| 09:16 | my $self = shift; | |
| 09:16 | my $server = shift; | |
| 09:16 | when I add: | |
| 09:16 | warn "SERVER:".$server; | |
| 09:16 | I get nothing | |
| 09:16 | but if I put: | |
| 09:17 | $server = "biblioserver"; | |
| 09:17 | it works fine | |
| 09:17 | tumer | sure |
| 09:17 | kados | soe for some reason, it's not passing in the value |
| 09:17 | I'm not enough of an OOP geek to understand why | |
| 09:17 | tumer | its my poor perl |
| 09:18 | how to call $server and $self ? may be @_ i donno | |
| 09:18 | kados | tumer: I used Data::Dumper |
| 09:18 | tumer: and did: | |
| 09:19 | Dumper(@_); | |
| 09:19 | well ... | |
| 09:19 | warn Dumper(@_); | |
| 09:19 | but all I get is what's in $self | |
| 09:19 | 'biblioserver' doesn't show up in the object | |
| 09:19 | tumer | :-( |
| 09:20 | kados | it works on your windows box? |
| 09:20 | tumer | yes it does |
| 09:20 | kados | really strange |
| 09:20 | well, at least we undrstand the prob nw | |
| 09:20 | now | |
| 09:20 | I can bug chris about it tonight | |
| 09:20 | one ommore thing | |
| 09:20 | more even | |
| 09:20 | the facility to restart zebra if the server crashes | |
| 09:21 | has a hard-coded reference to a log file | |
| 09:21 | (plus I think it won't work on *nix ) | |
| 09:21 | maybe that log file should be stored in the koha.xml? | |
| 09:21 | tumer | oh! that has to be commented aout altogether cause its windwos |
| 09:21 | windows | |
| 09:21 | kados | yea, i did comment it out eventually |
| 09:22 | finally ... | |
| 09:22 | the fallback mechanism doesn't work | |
| 09:22 | if the zebra server goes down (well, the connection at least) | |
| 09:22 | searching doesn't work | |
| 09:23 | tumer | have to check logs. probably mysql tables not indexed on required fields |
| 09:24 | all the old koha tables major fields have to be indexed for it to work | |
| 09:24 | like title,subtitle author,isbn,subject etc. | |
| 09:25 | kados | hmmm |
| 09:25 | tumer | I played with record.pl |
| 09:25 | kados | Record.pm you mean? |
| 09:26 | how'd it go? | |
| 09:26 | tumer | lots of error whn it comes to comining chars |
| 09:26 | kados | ok ... |
| 09:26 | tumer | combining chars i mean |
| 09:26 | kados | I suspect the reason is because you've got the PurePerl sax parser |
| 09:26 | sec ... | |
| 09:26 | tumer | nop. Expat |
| 09:27 | kados | run this: |
| 09:27 | #!/usr/bin/perl | |
| 09:27 | use XML::SAX::ParserFactory; | |
| 09:27 | $parser = XML::SAX::ParserFactory->parser(); | |
| 09:27 | print $parser."\n"; | |
| 09:27 | as a script on the command line | |
| 09:27 | and tell me the output | |
| 09:27 | Expat has probs too | |
| 09:28 | what you need, is compatible versions of libxml2 and XML::LibXML | |
| 09:28 | tumer | all code turned into smileys on my screen i cannot read it |
| 09:28 | kados | with that setup, on linux, I can handle anything |
| 09:28 | ahh | |
| 09:28 | hang on | |
| 09:29 | tumer | you now that i posted a mail regarding expat long ago |
| 09:29 | kados | http://liblime.com/public/parser.pl |
| 09:29 | tumer | regarding problems on windows, lots of reading links |
| 09:29 | kados | try running that script on windows |
| 09:30 | yep ... expat definitely has some probs | |
| 09:30 | it doesn't work for me either | |
| 09:30 | the only thing that I've been able to get working in all cases, is compatible versions of libxml2 and XML::LibXML | |
| 09:30 | tumer | whats gets on my nerves is this: |
| 09:30 | kados | the 'compatible versions' thing is important |
| 09:30 | because there are quite a few incompatible versions | |
| 09:31 | tumer | on windows we have a small 13mb utility that converts any marc to utf8 iso8859 and back ,dublincore,xml, and many more reversibly |
| 09:32 | and 350mb charset.pm is merely converts from marc8 to uthf8 with problems | |
| 09:32 | kados | heh |
| 09:32 | are you on the perl4lib mailing list? | |
| 09:32 | tumer | no |
| 09:32 | iam not a perl onger | |
| 09:33 | monger | |
| 09:33 | kados | right |
| 09:33 | well ... it's where the MARC::* guys talk about MARC::* stuff | |
| 09:33 | and recently i've been sending all kinds of messages about MARC::* | |
| 09:33 | complaining, giving specific examples of problems, etc. | |
| 09:33 | finally, i did manage to resolve the issues | |
| 09:34 | tumer: what's the 13Mb utility? | |
| 09:34 | tumer | MarcEdit |
| 09:34 | kados | ahh |
| 09:34 | tumer | from oregon univ |
| 09:34 | kados | I'd consider using a C library for the marc8->utf8 stuff |
| 09:35 | we could use Inline.pm to write a perl wrapper | |
| 09:35 | tumer | its aVB machine, callable from perl as well |
| 09:35 | kados | if we could fine an open source library out there |
| 09:35 | what's a aVB machine? | |
| 09:35 | tumer | VisualBasic |
| 09:36 | language that is | |
| 09:36 | kados | ahh |
| 09:36 | yea, don't think that'd fly with the koha dev group | |
| 09:36 | for now, I think we're stuck with MARC::Charset | |
| 09:36 | actually, it's not MARC::* that has probs | |
| 09:36 | it's the underlying parser | |
| 09:36 | tumer | no thats why i did not mention it. ALL i am saying others did it |
| 09:37 | kados | tumer: if you try installing libxml2 and XML::LibXML hopefully it won't wreak havoc on your combining characters |
| 09:38 | tumer: you can take a look at the archives of perl4lib: | |
| 09:38 | http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl4lib | |
| 09:38 | tumer | do you remember the issue when searching with combininig chars? |
| 09:38 | they show funny on the screen? | |
| 09:38 | kados | yes |
| 09:39 | tumer | is it resolved? |
| 09:39 | kados | I'll test and see |
| 09:43 | tumer: your turkish records use 90o instead of 090? | |
| 09:43 | tumer | yes |
| 09:44 | you do not need my records | |
| 09:44 | kados | no? |
| 09:44 | tumer | try doing a search on your records but replace normal e with say accented e |
| 09:44 | kados | ahh, I don't know how to create such a letter on my keyboard |
| 09:45 | tumer | the search works |
| 09:45 | but the search term appears funny | |
| 09:45 | kados | that server isn't running libxml2 |
| 09:45 | I haven't updated it yet | |
| 09:46 | I'll try to do so today | |
| 09:48 | tumer | hmm accented characters accented e is Alt+0232 on my keyboard |
| 09:49 | kados | ⢠|
| 09:49 | ls | |
| 09:49 | ||
| 09:49 | ahhk | |
| 09:49 | now I can't see anything :-) | |
| 09:49 | tumer | i can see some parts |
| 09:52 | kados | tumer: can you point out a utf-8 combining chracter somewhere online so I can use it to test? |
| 09:53 | maybe here?: | |
| 09:53 | http://www.unics.uni-hannover.[…]p/combimarks.html | |
| 09:54 | weird ... | |
| 09:54 | tumer | on line 0326 the last character s use that instaed of a normal s |
| 09:55 | kados | now I'm getting 'the server is too busy' error when I search |
| 09:56 | tumer | is the zebra down? |
| 09:56 | kados | no |
| 09:56 | it has: | |
| 09:56 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [session] Starting session 2 from tcp:127.0.0.1 (pid=29910) | |
| 09:56 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [log] User perm for perm.anonymous: r | |
| 09:56 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [request] Auth none | |
| 09:56 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [request] Init OK - ID:81/81 Name:ZOOM-C/YAZ Version:1.70/2.1.18 | |
| 09:56 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [log] ResultSet '1' | |
| 09:56 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [log][app2] zebra_register_open rw = 0 useshadow=0 p=0x80b88e0,n=,rp=(none) | |
| 09:56 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [log] profilePath=.:/usr/share/idzebra/tab/:/koha/zebradb/biblios/tab cwd=/koha/zebradb/biblios | |
| 09:56 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [log] user/system: 0/0 | |
| 09:56 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [request] Search ERROR 125 1 1+0 RPN: @attrset Bib-1 @attr 2=102 @attr 5=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 3=1 @attr 4=1 @attr 1=1016 � | |
| 09:56 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [session] Connection closed by client | |
| 09:57 | 10:56:04-30/05 zebrasrv(2) [log][app2] zebra_register_close p=0x80b88e0 | |
| 09:57 | I get a completely different response when I try a real search | |
| 09:57 | instead of just that accented A | |
| 09:57 | I'll tro 0326 | |
| 09:57 | try even | |
| 09:58 | tumer | well those characters i see are not defined in our sort-utf.chr |
| 09:58 | but s is | |
| 09:58 | kados | ahh, that would expain it then |
| 09:58 | I get ? for s | |
| 09:59 | you too? | |
| 09:59 | tumer | you mean at search? or the result |
| 09:59 | kados | at result |
| 09:59 | when I copy/paste in the Å (special S with tail) | |
| 10:00 | but, libxml2 isn't installed, so I'll withold judgement for now :-) | |
| 10:01 | tumer | i tried and i get another character instead of s with cedilla |
| 10:01 | not readable character | |
| 10:02 | did you realise that we had to talk about sort-utf file as well? | |
| 10:03 | do we have to define all available characters in this table? I had to do it with turkish chars | |
| 10:04 | and if that is the case whats the use of having Charset? | |
| 10:04 | kados | hmmm |
| 10:04 | tumer | its as if writing char_decode again under a differnt name |
| 10:04 | kados | tumer: you're a MARC21 library |
| 10:04 | tumer: as such, there are only two valid encodings for your records | |
| 10:04 | tumer | yes but all utf8 now |
| 10:04 | kados | tumer: MARC8 and UTF-8 |
| 10:05 | tumer: but if you download records from outside, you still need to get them in MARC-8 format | |
| 10:05 | tumer | we download marc8 but create utf8 |
| 10:05 | kados | tumer: and convert to UTF_8 |
| 10:05 | tumer | yes char_decode does that for us |
| 10:05 | kados | we will always need a mechanism to convert from marc-8 to utf-8 |
| 10:06 | tumer | the current char_decode in biblio.pm (modified) always done that for us |
| 10:06 | kados | but can you imagine how large char_decode will become? |
| 10:06 | every time a new language is added | |
| 10:06 | it's better to use the codetables.xml file provided by LOC | |
| 10:07 | which has a complete mapping already defined from marc-8 to utf-8 | |
| 10:07 | for all cases | |
| 10:07 | tumer | what i am saying is if we have to write it for zebra isnt it the same problem |
| 10:07 | kados | no, we don't need to search marc-8 in zebra |
| 10:07 | just utf-8 | |
| 10:07 | internally, everything's utf-8 | |
| 10:08 | what's sort-utf file anyway, zebra's 'how to sort' chart? | |
| 10:08 | tumer | in zebra you have to define the alphabet you use how they sort and which maps to what base char |
| 10:09 | in tabs folder we have a sort-something-utf.chr file | |
| 10:09 | which i committed with utf8 characters for turkish | |
| 10:10 | thats why you can search with s instead of s with cedilla to recah the same record. Like mysql does | |
| 10:10 | s/recah/reach | |
| 10:11 | kados | right |
| 10:11 | I guess I need to update my sort-something file | |
| 10:11 | since i can't search on S with cedilla | |
| 10:11 | tumer | you should already have it |
| 10:12 | can you point me tou your server i wanna do asearch with accented chars if possible | |
| 10:13 | kados | http://zoomopac.liblime.com/cg[…]catalogue-home.pl |
| 10:14 | tumer | any term suggestions? |
| 10:14 | english | |
| 10:15 | kados | book |
| 10:16 | tumer | no it does not search on accented characters. |
| 10:16 | unless you have some other sort-blabla its strange | |
| 10:20 | kados | I dont' think I do |
| 10:20 | it's got equivilent lines | |
| 10:20 | with aa<withaccent> | |
| 10:20 | weird | |
| 10:22 | tumer | and thtas the file used by zebraidx when indexing the records, ie in same folder as our record.abs |
| 10:22 | oh another thing | |
| 10:22 | kados | it's in /koha/zebradb/biblios/tab |
| 10:22 | tumer | default.idx |
| 10:22 | kados | yea |
| 10:23 | it's in there too | |
| 10:23 | tumer | same as committed ie points to sort-- |
| 10:23 | kados | also in /koha/etc/tab |
| 10:24 | yep, just copied from cvs | |
| 10:24 | tumer | veryy strange |
| 10:25 | in sort file there are lines called equivalent | |
| 10:26 | with some accented characters equalling to unaccented forms | |
| 10:26 | kados | yep, in mine too |
| 10:26 | tumer | they all work for me |
| 10:27 | i noticed that i dont have accented e in there which i should add and reindex my zebra | |
| 10:27 | kados | i wonder if the accented chars aren't getting passed unharmed to zebra on my system |
| 10:27 | ie, maybe they're being mangled along the way | |
| 10:27 | tumer | but for you i am stunned |
| 10:28 | kados | this worked when we set it up on dev-week |
| 10:28 | unless ... | |
| 10:28 | maybe it has to actually have a database with the chars in it in order for the search to work | |
| 10:28 | that sounds like something ID would do :-) | |
| 10:28 | tumer | no |
| 10:28 | kados | and it would take us weeks to figure it out :-) |
| 10:29 | tumer | well here is another thing about ID |
| 10:29 | infact 2 | |
| 10:29 | their new zebra 1.4 does not work. Im tired i did not bug them | |
| 10:30 | second say you index on additional authors or some other field | |
| 10:31 | and the records you entered did not have that field up to that day | |
| 10:31 | but you know you'll have them | |
| 10:31 | kados | sigh |
| 10:31 | tumer | try and do a sort on taht field |
| 10:31 | it actually crashes | |
| 10:31 | kados | tumer: well, I've paid for support, so they have to fix a reproducible bug within 10 days |
| 10:32 | paul | at leas, we will know if it was worth the price ! |
| 10:32 | kados | paul: right! |
| 10:32 | tumer: how can I reproduce it on my system? | |
| 10:33 | tumer | yes put a sort in your record.abs on afield that you know does not contain data yet |
| 10:34 | kados | while zebra's running? |
| 10:34 | tumer | no |
| 10:34 | do this and reindex zebra | |
| 10:34 | then using yaz client do a search | |
| 10:34 | and a sort on that field | |
| 10:34 | kados | ok |
| 10:35 | lets go step by step here ... what field shall I try in record.abs? | |
| 10:35 | how about a field that does not exist at all in the data | |
| 10:35 | tumer | which field you are sure doews not have data |
| 10:35 | kados | field 0f0 |
| 10:35 | tumer | i donno your records |
| 10:35 | kados | $a |
| 10:36 | tumer: how about this: | |
| 10:36 | melm 0f0$a False:s | |
| 10:36 | tumer | just sec finding a bib1-att |
| 10:36 | kados | tumer: added to record.abs ... do I also need to change another conf file? bib-1 or something? |
| 10:38 | tumer | use melm 0f0$a Dewey-classification:s |
| 10:38 | kados | in fact ... it won't even index I think |
| 10:38 | ok, I'll try that | |
| 10:38 | now i re-index the records | |
| 10:39 | indexing now | |
| 10:39 | tumer | do a search f book and then sort 1=13 i< |
| 10:40 | 13 means dewey- classification | |
| 10:40 | kados | can you specify the RPN? I'm not up to speed on that yet |
| 10:40 | or is it just : | |
| 10:40 | f book | |
| 10:40 | sort 1=13 | |
| 10:40 | tumer | sort 1=13 i< |
| 10:41 | kados | Z> sort 1=13 i< |
| 10:41 | Received SortResponse: status=failure | |
| 10:41 | Diagnostic message(s) from database: | |
| 10:41 | [207] Cannot sort according to sequence -- v2 addinfo '' | |
| 10:41 | Elapsed: 0.000427 | |
| 10:41 | is that the same as what you get? | |
| 10:42 | tumer | yes |
| 10:42 | kados | in the zebra log i get: |
| 10:42 | 11:41:37-30/05 zebrasrv(1) [log] user/system: 0/0 | |
| 10:42 | 11:41:37-30/05 zebrasrv(1) [request] Sort ERROR 207 (1)->1 | |
| 10:42 | tumer | but its a bug |
| 10:42 | kados | why? |
| 10:42 | tumer | if you have at least one record with taht data it stops |
| 10:42 | kados | (i don't quite understand why it's a bug since there are no values to sort by) |
| 10:43 | it stops? | |
| 10:44 | ahh, you mean it claims to have sorted correctly | |
| 10:44 | doesn't throw the error | |
| 10:44 | hmmm ... | |
| 10:44 | tumer | I want to be able to sort on fields which will have data later on even if they have null in then now not a database-error |
| 10:45 | kados | how about a temporary solution |
| 10:45 | which is to create a single record with all values in it | |
| 10:46 | I see what you mean though | |
| 10:46 | is this a priority bug? | |
| 10:46 | tumer | kados: its more serious than you think |
| 10:46 | kados | ahh, yea I can see it being a real problem |
| 10:46 | tumer | is paul around? |
| 10:46 | kados | especially for small collections |
| 10:46 | paul | yep |
| 10:47 | tumer | did you folow this |
| 10:47 | whats your opinion | |
| 10:47 | kados | ok, I'll file a bug report |
| 10:47 | tumer: I'll cc your hotmail account | |
| 10:47 | paul | tumer: no, i didn't follow the thread |
| 10:48 | tumer | the problem is if there is no data in the sort field zebra throws and error and does not even return the unsorted results |
| 10:49 | and dont forget we have to pre-define all aour sort fields beforehand | |
| 10:50 | kados | tumer: was this something that was supposed to be fixed in 1.4? or is it a new bug we discovered? |
| 10:50 | tumer | new thing |
| 10:50 | kados | k |
| 10:50 | filing bug now | |
| 10:50 | paul | could we have a sort order that contains something for sure ? |
| 10:51 | tumer | say i sort on title and subtitle |
| 10:51 | but my records up until then did not have subtitles yet | |
| 10:52 | searching the records with sor order title,subtitle returns an error | |
| 10:52 | thats a stupid bug | |
| 10:53 | when a single record enters with subtitle error gone | |
| 10:59 | kados:for your bug report=> we are building the sort into our search we are not sorting after we receive the results | |
| 11:00 | kados | right |
| 11:02 | tumer | do you wnat me to expand on that? |
| 11:03 | kados | sure |
| 11:03 | tumer | you searced: f book |
| 11:03 | got results | |
| 11:04 | then did a sort | |
| 11:04 | got error | |
| 11:04 | kados | right, I get that |
| 11:04 | how can we write the whole thing in one go? | |
| 11:04 | tumer | my code does like mysql does |
| 11:04 | find book sort something | |
| 11:04 | kados | lets do a specific example for the report |
| 11:05 | tumer | so the records fetched once and sorted |
| 11:05 | kados | lets sort by title first and then by 1=13 or whatever |
| 11:05 | in yaz-client | |
| 11:05 | lets sort by title first and then by 1=13 or whatever | |
| 11:05 | in yaz-client | |
| 11:05 | tumer | just a sec this server does not like irc much |
| 11:06 | i donno how to do this with yaz client | |
| 11:06 | i think it was 7=13 | |
| 11:07 | but my search code has it in zoom | |
| 11:07 | kados | how do we do two sorts? |
| 11:07 | tumer | so asking for sorted records throws out an error and returns failiure |
| 11:07 | kados | ie, first sort by title, then by author? |
| 11:08 | if possible, we should try to get a one-liner for the bug report | |
| 11:08 | tumer | two sorts 1=4 i< 1=13 i< |
| 11:08 | kados | yea, that fails too |
| 11:11 | tumer: ok sending it off, cc to you | |
| 11:11 | if you have more to add, cc me | |
| 11:11 | tumer | ok |
| 11:12 | kados | sent |
| 11:12 | so, it should be fixed by June 10 :-) | |
| 11:12 | amazing how that works :-) | |
| 11:14 | tumer: any other bugs we can try and reproduce? | |
| 11:14 | tumer | well have used the lates zebra from snapshot or cvs? |
| 11:15 | have you used i mean | |
| 11:15 | kados | ahh ... did we ever find the snapshot? |
| 11:15 | I'm running the debian package | |
| 11:15 | lemme check the version | |
| 11:15 | 1.3.34 | |
| 11:16 | is what I'm running | |
| 11:16 | tumer | good stable one |
| 11:16 | kados | didn't we go looking for the latest snapshot and it didn't exist? |
| 11:16 | :-) | |
| 11:16 | or did you eventually find it? | |
| 11:17 | tumer | the cvs did not exist indexdata.dk/taz has got a link to it now |
| 11:17 | kados | cool |
| 11:17 | tumer | not taz /yaz |
| 11:17 | kados | yep |
| 11:17 | tumer | well it does not even index now |
| 11:19 | kados | what doesn't? |
| 11:20 | tumer | zebraidx stopped working with 1.4 major bug i believe but since its still roduction did not report it |
| 11:22 | kados | ?? |
| 11:22 | if you don't report it how will it ever get fixed ? :-) | |
| 11:22 | well ... nevermind ... | |
| 11:22 | tumer | well tired of ID |
| 11:22 | kados | what about 1.3.34 ... any bugs there? |
| 11:23 | yea, sorry about that | |
| 11:23 | tumer | i have been using 1.4 for the last month |
| 11:23 | kados | don't know why, but a lot of folks have problems dealing with them |
| 11:23 | I haven't personally, but have heard many reports of problems | |
| 11:23 | i can try installing 1.4 and reproduce a bug | |
| 11:24 | do i need a new version of yaz? | |
| 11:24 | tumer | version 2.1.19 |
| 11:24 | same place has it | |
| 11:25 | kados | ok |
| 11:25 | hmmm ... | |
| 11:25 | before I do this | |
| 11:25 | are there any bugs in 1.3.34? | |
| 11:25 | we should try to reproduce? | |
| 11:25 | tumer | not that i know of except the one i reported and they produced 1.3.35 |
| 11:26 | for windows | |
| 11:27 | you remember the bug we reported at dev-week? | |
| 11:27 | kados | the attribute=3 one? |
| 11:27 | (btw: did you recieve the message I forwarded to your hotmail sent by seb?) | |
| 11:27 | (about that one) | |
| 11:27 | tumer | they corrected it and now i cannot even use 1.4 cause it does not even index |
| 11:28 | kados | they corrected the attribute=3 one? |
| 11:28 | in 1.4? | |
| 11:28 | tumer | no the one about finding less records in 1.4 than in 1.3 |
| 11:29 | the one adam sent a reply about some rank thing | |
| 11:29 | kados | ahh ... I don't remember that one |
| 11:29 | tumer | you read it to me |
| 11:29 | kados | ahh ... |
| 11:29 | now I remember | |
| 11:29 | tumer | its on their zebralist |
| 11:29 | kados | yea |
| 11:30 | well ... maybe we should stick with 1.3.34? | |
| 11:30 | until 1.4 is more stable? | |
| 11:30 | tumer | yep |
| 11:31 | 1.3.35 for me | |
| 11:31 | kados | right |
| 11:31 | paul_away | bye bye & see you tomorrow |
| 11:31 | kados | bye paul_away |
| 11:31 | tumer | bye paul |
| 11:31 | kados | so I'm going to go ahead and test edits and adds, etc. |
| 11:31 | I've updated cvs on my test box | |
| 11:31 | to the latest dev_week | |
| 11:32 | tumer | k |
| 11:33 | have to go now | |
| 11:33 | kados | heh |
| 11:33 | it forwards me to the search screen | |
| 11:33 | tumer | what does? |
| 11:33 | kados | adding a new record |
| 11:33 | no results found | |
| 11:33 | I assume that means it failed :-) | |
| 11:34 | tumer | let me check dev-week |
| 11:34 | kados | nothing interesting in the apache log |
| 11:35 | doesn't look like zebra saw any activity | |
| 11:35 | tumer | and mysql? |
| 11:35 | kados | dunno ... nothing in the logs |
| 11:35 | tumer | by the way zconnauth has a $server in context.pm as well |
| 11:36 | kados | ahh, maybe that's the prob |
| 11:37 | tumer | that is the more complex one with user password etc. |
| 11:38 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 11:39 | added $server = "biblioserver" but still nothing | |
| 11:39 | no errors anywhere | |
| 11:39 | I'll have to throw some warns in I suppose | |
| 11:39 | tumer | going back to search was strange anyway |
| 11:39 | kados | so addbiblio.pl right? |
| 11:40 | or haven't you modified that at all | |
| 11:40 | is everything changed in Biblio.pm? | |
| 11:40 | tumer | i did not change addbiblio.pl at all but everything in biblio.pl |
| 11:40 | kados | ok |
| 11:40 | tumer | addbiblio.pl is what it was there |
| 11:42 | kados | could you explain briefly the order of operations? |
| 11:43 | is all the zebra stuff in the MARC* routines? | |
| 11:44 | tumer | addbiblio.pl calls for Newaddbiblio which i think calls MARCaddbiblio which adds a marc record to mysql and calls zebraop |
| 11:44 | kados | hmmm |
| 11:44 | i do get this error: | |
| 11:44 | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: called with 2 bind variables when 0 are needed at /koha/intranet/modules/C4/Search.pm line 687. | |
| 11:44 | DBD::mysql::st fetchrow failed: fetch() without execute() at /koha/intranet/modules/C4/Search.pm line 735. | |
| 11:45 | when I add a new item | |
| 11:45 | new record I mean | |
| 11:45 | and if I go: | |
| 11:45 | warn "SERVER:".$server; | |
| 11:45 | in sub zebraop in Biblio.pm | |
| 11:45 | it never gets called | |
| 11:46 | no warn shows up | |
| 11:47 | tumer | i'll have to set up a test version on server and try it i2ll come back |
| 11:47 | kados | k |
| 11:47 | thanks for your work on this tumer |
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