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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 02:00 | chris | hi pierrick |
| 02:03 | pierrick | hi chris |
| 02:16 | chris | hi bruno |
| 02:49 | hi hdl | |
| 02:49 | hdl | hi chris. |
| 02:49 | How are you. | |
| 02:50 | chris | good thanks, and you? |
| 02:51 | hdl | good. |
| 02:51 | I qpoke last saturday with persons who lived a while in Australia. | |
| 02:51 | chris | oh? |
| 02:52 | hdl | they told me that australia and New Zeland ppl had QUITE different minds. :) |
| 02:53 | chris | hehe |
| 02:55 | hdl | ;) |
| 02:55 | chris | similair for some things ... quite different for others :) |
| 02:56 | hdl | For instance, NZ was never considered as a prison. |
| 02:56 | chris | nope |
| 02:56 | there is a joke that nzers say | |
| 02:56 | when you fly into australia you have to fill in an immigration card | |
| 02:56 | and it asks | |
| 02:56 | "do you have any criminal convictions?" | |
| 02:57 | the joke is to say "Is that still a requirement?" | |
| 02:57 | hdl | :D |
| 03:22 | btoumi | hi everybody |
| 03:22 | chris | heya bruno |
| 03:22 | btoumi | hi chris how are u? |
| 03:23 | chris | doing good |
| 03:23 | btoumi | kool |
| 03:23 | chris | how are you? |
| 03:23 | btoumi | very fine |
| 03:23 | i return from hollydays today | |
| 03:24 | and i'm ready to kill few bugs :=) | |
| 03:24 | chris | oohh excellent |
| 03:25 | btoumi | and are u in nz ? |
| 03:25 | chris | sure am |
| 03:25 | btoumi | ok kool |
| 03:26 | chris | just watching some tv before I go to bed |
| 03:26 | btoumi | lol |
| 03:27 | it's morning here !!! lol | |
| 03:27 | chris | yeah its pretty much exactly opposite |
| 03:28 | when I first got back to nz, i would wake up at 8am .. and my brain was thinking its 8pm and was wanting some dinner instead of breakfast | |
| 03:28 | btoumi | yes i remember with swizerland and go inside the earth |
| 03:28 | lol | |
| 03:28 | chris | :) |
| 03:29 | btoumi | and now are u ok with 8am breakfeast and 8pm dinner |
| 03:29 | :=) | |
| 03:30 | chris | well, sometimes i still want creme brulee for breakfast :) |
| 03:30 | btoumi | lol |
| 03:30 | ok i let u go to bed and just say good night | |
| 03:31 | see u later!! | |
| 03:31 | chris | good luck squashing bugs |
| 03:31 | btoumi | ok thanks |
| 03:31 | chris | cya later |
| 03:31 | btoumi | bye |
| 03:38 | hdl | good night chris. |
| 03:38 | chris | good day hdl :) |
| 03:43 | btoumi | hi hdl |
| 06:35 | hi tumer | |
| 06:45 | hdl | hi tumer |
| 07:27 | tumer | hi hdl |
| 07:28 | hdl | tumer: are you working on authorities ? |
| 07:28 | tumer | yes and it seems you as well |
| 07:29 | hdl:I have committed lots of things on head I hope we are not doing conflicting work | |
| 07:30 | hdl | trying to get hierarchies and summaries. |
| 07:30 | tumer | very posh! own branch |
| 07:31 | hdl | hehe not to break anything neither on HEAD nor on stable branch. |
| 07:31 | It would be for a customer. | |
| 07:32 | tumer | hdl:OK. I have ported everything to Zebra. Also added support for linking authorities together. either from same group or any other authority group |
| 07:32 | hdl | WOW. |
| 07:32 | How do you link ? | |
| 07:32 | Are you using $3 subfield ? | |
| 07:33 | tumer | You can use any subfield. User defined. I use field 750$8 |
| 07:35 | The summary includes the linked authority summary as well so I think we should try and merge our work | |
| 07:36 | hdl | I shall merge it when I have something that works. |
| 07:36 | tumer | good of you |
| 07:37 | hdl | You can have a look at hdlaurent.paulpoulain.com:8093 |
| 07:37 | kohaadmin | |
| 07:38 | tumer | and the pass? |
| 07:49 | pierrick | tumer, do you only use zebra to link authorities? don't you store the link in a MySQL table ? |
| 07:49 | (thus you could have numeric identifiers and faster searches) | |
| 07:57 | hdl | pierrick: having to get multiple records each time a search is done is quite long (I speak in terms of hierarchy building) |
| 07:57 | tumer | pierrick: I only use the marc record for linking. Linking is repetable. you can have as many link fields as you like. In mysql this is very tedious. In zebra searching for it is very fast |
| 07:57 | hdl | pierrick: But I have to dig in your proposal. |
| 08:00 | tumer | for summary building, we can have this written to mysql table at the time of creation. This will also give us a backup system to search on when and if zebra crashes. as discussed at devel-week |
| 08:07 | kados | hi all |
| 08:07 | tumer | hi |
| 08:07 | kados | tumer: good to read you on IRC :-) |
| 08:07 | tumer | keeps dropping out though |
| 08:08 | kados | tumer: don't know if you noticed, chris and I started merging dev-week and HEAD |
| 08:08 | tumer | yes I noticed and waiting your merge to modify biblio.pm |
| 08:08 | kados | ahh ... |
| 08:09 | that's a complicated one | |
| 08:09 | along with Context.pm | |
| 08:09 | tumer: do you have HEAD running somewhere? | |
| 08:09 | tumer | No unfortunately |
| 08:09 | kados | tumer: (btw...I never remembered to show you how to run the translation tool) |
| 08:10 | tumer | I know never mind |
| 08:10 | kados | tumer: I just finished up a hungarian translation which is what reminded me: http://wipoopac.liblime.com/ |
| 08:10 | cool | |
| 08:10 | tumer | whats wrong with context.pm |
| 08:10 | kados | nothing's wrong with it ... it's just that we need to merge dev-week and head |
| 08:10 | which is gonna be complicated | |
| 08:11 | unless you've already added your zebra config stuff to head | |
| 08:11 | tumer | I have already committed context.pm in head with new zebra support, all congig files in one xml etc |
| 08:11 | kados | (I saw some commits to context.pm on head ... it's tough to try to figure out what's new and what's old) |
| 08:11 | ahh ... so we're all set on that one then | |
| 08:12 | great | |
| 08:12 | I'll tell chris | |
| 08:12 | tumer | This is the newest we do not need the old one |
| 08:12 | kados | cool |
| 08:12 | so about Biblio.pm ... | |
| 08:12 | and also ... | |
| 08:13 | bibid vs biblionumber | |
| 08:13 | wish paul was around | |
| 08:13 | one thing we didn't discuss | |
| 08:13 | was how to handle the changes paul made to HEAD | |
| 08:13 | tumer | Bibid vs biblionumber is easy |
| 08:13 | kados | regarding bibid and biblionumber |
| 08:14 | tumer | but biblio.pm in head is very unstable (I tried it!) |
| 08:14 | kados | yep ... |
| 08:15 | tumer | We should suggest paul to start with a stable biblio.pm and make gradual modifications |
| 08:15 | kados | well ... |
| 08:16 | tumer | I can resolve bibids to biblionumbers easyl with old biblio |
| 08:16 | kados | I'm assuming your code biblio.pm in dev-week has major conflicts with what's been done |
| 08:16 | in head | |
| 08:16 | hdl | paul shall be there tomorrow. |
| 08:16 | kados | because IIRC paul removed bibid completely |
| 08:16 | hdl | yes. |
| 08:17 | kados | so it's not a matter of resolving them ... |
| 08:17 | it's a matter of rewriting around them | |
| 08:17 | the problem I'm facing is that I'm not a Biblio.pm guy ... | |
| 08:17 | I only know a few subs in there | |
| 08:18 | and trying to figure out what's the newest working code is really tough | |
| 08:18 | maybe we need to schedule an IRC meeting to do some work on merging | |
| 08:18 | tumer | In dev week biblio.pm although bibid exist it merely exists as a name. Just replacing them to say biblionumber does not break the code. |
| 08:19 | kados | cool |
| 08:19 | tumer | bibid itself does not live any more |
| 08:19 | kados | great ... so that might solve our problem then |
| 08:22 | tumer | kados:did you have time to look authorities |
| 08:22 | kados | tumer: I looked at the commits |
| 08:22 | tumer: they look good ... but I don't have a running HEAD so I haven't had a chance to try them out | |
| 08:23 | tumer | I have changed the way hidden is defined. |
| 08:23 | Hidden is now a tinyint(3) for authorities | |
| 08:24 | kados | ahh |
| 08:24 | what are the possible values? | |
| 08:25 | tumer | What that means the librarian can say OPAC:show-hide-collapse INTRANET:show-hide-collapse EDITOR:show-hide-collapse but we still have one field hidden in our mysql tables |
| 08:28 | pierrick | kados & tumer, do you remember what I've suggested on koha-devel about "hidden" property ? |
| 08:29 | http://lists.nongnu.org/archiv[…]-03/msg00092.html | |
| 08:31 | tumer | did we discuss anything on hidden? |
| 08:32 | pierrick | we did :-) |
| 08:32 | http://lists.nongnu.org/archiv[…]-03/msg00092.html | |
| 08:32 | tumer | :-S |
| 08:35 | kados | yea, that sounds good |
| 08:35 | but IIRC thomas had mentioned some other cases that the binary encoding scheme couldn't handle | |
| 08:36 | I'm trying to remember what they were | |
| 08:36 | tumer | My line keeps dropping. So whats said about hidden? |
| 08:36 | kados | hehe |
| 08:36 | tumer: http://lists.nongnu.org/archiv[…]-03/msg00092.html | |
| 08:37 | tumer: pierrick posted that | |
| 08:37 | tumer: btw: there's a log here: | |
| 08:37 | http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.pl | |
| 08:37 | it updates every second or so | |
| 08:37 | tumer: so what's causing the line to be dropped ... is it the power? | |
| 08:38 | tumer: or internet connection? | |
| 08:38 | tumer | I read that but I still think just modifying the hidden field from tinyint(1) to tinyint(3) is more versatile as it will allow 10 variations each for OPAC_INTRANET_EDITOR. Although I implemented 3 each |
| 08:39 | kados | yea, i think I like that solution better too |
| 08:39 | I kinda like binary encoding schemes ... | |
| 08:40 | tumer | Simply its a 3 digit number. 1st digit for opac 2nd for intranet 3rd for editor |
| 08:40 | kados | hmmm |
| 08:41 | tumer | my internet connection or my settings keeps dropping me out |
| 08:41 | kados | I see pierrick's point of view though |
| 08:41 | it might be easier to test for all possible values if we had separate columns in the table | |
| 08:41 | maybe we should discuss this on koha-devel | |
| 08:42 | btoumi | hi evrerybody |
| 08:42 | somebody can help me ? | |
| 08:42 | tumer | kados:having a three digit number is the same as having 3 differnt fields in table and is easier to handle |
| 08:43 | hi btoumi | |
| 08:43 | btoumi | hi tumer |
| 08:43 | tumer | whats up? |
| 08:44 | btoumi | when i use updatabase i have this message :=>LWP Request Failed : 400 URL must be absolute at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.7/XML/SAX/PurePerl/Reader/URI.pm line 51. |
| 08:44 | kados | tumer: I don't have a strong preference, so what you've done already is fine with me |
| 08:45 | tumer | btoumi:sorry canot help with that |
| 08:45 | kados | btoumi: updatedatabase shouldn't be using LWP |
| 08:45 | btoumi: that's really strange | |
| 08:46 | btoumi | yes i think so |
| 08:46 | kados | btoumi: or do you mean after updatedatabase you get that message? |
| 08:46 | hdl | No. |
| 08:46 | While updating. | |
| 08:47 | kados | very strange |
| 08:47 | this is in rel_2_2? | |
| 08:47 | pierrick | tumer, the problem is the readibility |
| 08:48 | kados | pierrick: but if we built a nice interface to it (rather than just enter a number) it would be ok, right? |
| 08:48 | tumer | pierric:which readability? |
| 08:48 | kados | btoumi: updatedatabase doesn't have any LWP code it it |
| 08:48 | pierrick | when I see a field called "hidden", it obviously means "yes" or "no", not 246 possibilities |
| 08:49 | tumer, how do you manage the "hidden" from Perl code point of view ? | |
| 08:49 | btoumi | kados: yes i try to find any reference but i find nothing |
| 08:49 | pierrick | kados, of course we will have a nice interface ! no user will understand what number to enter |
| 08:50 | tumer | Check new authorities. Its a drop down menu for OPAC INTRANET and EDITOR. No code it says 'SHOW' 'HIDE' or COLLAPSE' no numbers |
| 08:51 | pierrick | tumer, where should I look in perl code ? |
| 08:51 | tumer | its in admin/auth_subfield_structure.pm and .tmpl |
| 08:54 | pierrick | tumer, you show me the Perl code where you set the value for "hidden" field, can you show me the code where we use it ? |
| 08:55 | anyway, I understand perfectly what you've done, just like with Unix file rights | |
| 08:56 | tumer | pierric:perl reads hidden field and we use substr(hidden,0,1) in OPAC substr(hidden,1,1) in intranet and substr(hidden,2,1) in editor |
| 08:56 | pierrick | I simply maintain that it would be better to have three boolean fields "display_in_opac", "display_in_intranet", ... |
| 08:56 | it's a matter of data model design | |
| 08:57 | when I query my database, I prefer doing "select * from ? where display_in_opac = 'true';" rather than "where substr(0, 1, hidden) = 1" | |
| 08:58 | tumer | Yes but this gives me the ability to use collapsed for display purposes as well. If need be some fields can be collapsed at display and can still be viewed if required by user or librarian |
| 08:59 | pierrick | tumer, using "hidden" for "collapsed" is a bad thing. It becomes semanticaly wrong |
| 08:59 | adding new fields is not forbidden at all | |
| 08:59 | why making complicated while we can do simple ? | |
| 09:01 | tumer | semantics is something else. We can rename the field to say display |
| 09:02 | Even if you do add 3 more fields. I still need more than 2 variations for each | |
| 09:03 | pierrick | if you need more than 2 variations, simply use enum type |
| 09:04 | as a coding rule, I would say : if you know the number of variations, use enum column type, not an int | |
| 09:05 | int is good to store a quantity or a numeric identifier, not a flag | |
| 09:06 | tumer | pierrick:sorry I have to go, continue some other time. |
| 09:27 | pierrick | kados, meeting tonight? |
| 09:27 | kados | pierrick: I didn't announce it ... |
| 09:27 | pierrick: my fault, I'm afraid no kiwis will show up | |
| 09:27 | pierrick: and paul isnt' in today | |
| 09:27 | maybe for wednesday? | |
| 09:27 | I'll post a note to koha-devel today | |
| 09:28 | if not, next monday for sure | |
| 09:28 | (it's taken longer than I expected to catch up since the trip) | |
| 09:28 | pierrick | I won't be there on wednesday, in France Thursday is a non working day and many companies are closed on Friday |
| 09:28 | kados | hehe |
| 09:28 | of course | |
| 09:28 | pierrick | (so my week-end will last 4 days) |
| 09:28 | kados | (this is why we need a full-time project manager ) :-) |
| 09:28 | (nice) | |
| 09:29 | pierrick | (I'm leaving to the country, wednesday evening or thursday morninfg, don't know yet) |
| 09:50 | hdl | hi owen |
| 09:50 | owen | Hi hdl |
| 10:33 | pierrick | hdl, will the improvement you make be available in 2.4 ? or in 3.0 ? |
| 10:33 | hdl | I set it up on a 2.4 base. |
| 10:33 | But will port them to 3.0 | |
| 10:38 | pierrick | so they won't be available before 3.0 ? |
| 10:39 | hdl | They should be available by September. |
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