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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:23 | kados | hehe |
| 12:24 | yea, stay tuned :-) | |
| 12:24 | tomorrow should be a fun day too :-) | |
| 02:00 | osmoze | hello #koha |
| 02:01 | russ | hi osmoze |
| 02:31 | chris | hi russ |
| 02:31 | feeling better? | |
| 02:40 | russ | little bit |
| 02:41 | might head out lunchtime ish | |
| 02:41 | chris | cool |
| 02:41 | bus 1 | |
| 02:41 | russ | is it easy to get their |
| 02:41 | s/their/there | |
| 02:41 | chris | yes |
| 02:41 | russ | sweet |
| 02:41 | chris | you go out the station |
| 02:41 | cross the road | |
| 02:41 | and catch the number one | |
| 02:42 | and i thin about 4 stops ... the 2nd stop past the round about anyway | |
| 02:42 | u use ur card on the bus to | |
| 02:45 | russ | cool |
| 02:50 | chris | kados: u about? |
| 02:58 | hi osmoze | |
| 02:59 | osmoze | hi chris :) |
| 03:04 | tnb | russ: hi, how are you feeling? :( |
| 03:06 | russ | bit better |
| 03:06 | might head out soon | |
| 03:06 | i have written up some more notes on the wiki | |
| 03:07 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ng_to_online_help | |
| 03:07 | i think with those and john's style sheet | |
| 03:07 | the online help effort can get started | |
| 03:07 | tnb | yeah, ryan just found your notes :) |
| 03:09 | looking at it now... | |
| 03:10 | russ | ack |
| 03:12 | tina : we might need to have a chat to joshua or ryan about getting the login going for the wiki | |
| 03:13 | i just registered and it said itwas sending out an email | |
| 03:13 | but that might be the katipo mail system greylisting :-) | |
| 03:15 | chris | yeah thatd be it |
| 03:15 | it will take an hour or so to get thru the greylist the first time | |
| 03:16 | russ | mud |
| 03:16 | never mind | |
| 03:16 | tnb | russ: do we have a standard way in mind to use the wiki formatting to create new/revised content?... |
| 03:16 | russ | yep |
| 03:16 | john's style sheet | |
| 03:16 | however | |
| 03:16 | it may needs | |
| 03:17 | some notes on which heading styles to use and when | |
| 03:17 | tnb | right. that's what I mean. |
| 03:17 | russ | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]_help_style_guide |
| 03:17 | tnb | any recommendations? the name of the help file: h1 ? |
| 03:18 | "Question": h2 | |
| 03:18 | russ | sounds good to me |
| 03:18 | tnb | so, anything is fine? Can we go all the way to h4 with no problem in converting it later? |
| 03:18 | :) | |
| 03:18 | russ | yep |
| 03:18 | tnb | ok. sounds good |
| 03:19 | russ | we can always do something to convert all h3 to h4 |
| 03:19 | tnb | right. |
| 03:19 | russ | welcome to #koha btw - i havent seen you on here before :-) |
| 03:20 | it's not so scary :-) | |
| 03:21 | tnb | :) yeah, I imagined it would be scarier ;) |
| 03:22 | BTW, ryan and i were wondering if there isn't some important info in the TMPL includes | |
| 03:22 | that should go into the wiki? | |
| 03:23 | kados | tnb: did you see russ's email? |
| 03:23 | tnb | I know it says to exclude that when cutting and pasting |
| 03:23 | russ | ah possibly |
| 03:23 | tnb | his email, or his notes on teh wiki? |
| 03:24 | russ | tnb do you mean this bit <!. TMPL_INCLUDE NAME=.help-top.inc. .> ? |
| 03:24 | tnb | oui! |
| 03:25 | russ | it will always be the same on the help files, so is not necessary |
| 03:25 | tnb | ok. great. |
| 03:25 | russ | that is a call to the look and feel of the help pages |
| 03:26 | tnb | ok, looking at your email russ |
| 03:27 | russ | actually the email is full of holes :-) |
| 03:27 | this page is better | |
| 03:27 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ng_to_online_help | |
| 03:29 | tnb | yeah, an announcement sounds good. I saw your wiki page before the email, so no problem ;) |
| 03:29 | russ | ah cool |
| 03:29 | i say we work in the announcement together | |
| 03:29 | tonight | |
| 03:30 | do an email and a news item on koha.org | |
| 03:30 | feel free to draft one up though :-) | |
| 03:31 | oh cool - just got my docuwiki password | |
| 03:31 | right out of battery and chris has all the adaptors, i think i will try and head out, see you soonish | |
| 03:32 | 07:41PM|<chris> you go out the station | |
| 03:32 | 07:41PM|<chris> cross the road | |
| 03:32 | 07:41PM|<chris> and catch the number one | |
| 03:32 | 07:42PM|<chris> and i thin about 4 stops ... the 2nd stop past the round about | |
| 03:32 | anyway | |
| 03:32 | 07:42PM|<chris> u use ur card on the bus to | |
| 03:33 | oops | |
| 03:53 | tnb | russ: you back already? |
| 03:53 | chris | ahh using laurels? |
| 03:53 | russ | laurel's lappy has an euro power adaopter - chris has mine |
| 03:54 | kados you about? | |
| 03:54 | chris | yeah hes sitting near me |
| 03:55 | kados | russ: yo |
| 03:55 | russ | got a minute for a quick question? |
| 03:56 | was wondering aboutsetting the wiki so that everyone has to register before they can edit | |
| 03:56 | would help with tracking changes | |
| 03:56 | and identifying who wrote what | |
| 03:57 | tnb | russ: we also need to agree on some status designations. right now, almost everything needs review. |
| 03:58 | russ | with the help docs? |
| 03:58 | or the wiki in general | |
| 04:00 | tnb | with the help docs for sure |
| 04:00 | maseaway | hiyas |
| 04:01 | russ | hiya mason - you're up late |
| 04:01 | kados | russ: I can check on that |
| 04:01 | tnb | right now, everyone should just assume that needs review, but after that we'll need more statuses. I'm not stripping out the html and adding the wiki syntax until I've dumped everything in |
| 04:01 | mason | ha , its only 9 :) |
| 04:01 | tnb | then I'll go back |
| 04:01 | mason | just came back fro the library, book sale! |
| 04:02 | russ | mason : ah true |
| 04:02 | mason | is chris handy? |
| 04:02 | rach | ben waves too so won't be here long |
| 04:02 | russ | tnb: righto |
| 04:02 | mason | bens up late |
| 04:02 | russ | tnb: we can sort that out tomorrow perhaps |
| 04:02 | rach | just back from our walk |
| 04:03 | woo two handed typing | |
| 04:03 | mason | im still finding it exciting seeing u on irc from france |
| 04:03 | rach | so how are things on the continent? |
| 04:04 | mason | rach: is one handed typing trickier on the split keyboard? |
| 04:05 | rach | urm I suspect not, because at least one hand knows where half the keys are |
| 04:05 | chris | hi mason |
| 04:08 | mason | hi chris |
| 04:09 | great to hera from you | |
| 04:09 | could you help me with carnaby access? | |
| 04:17 | tnb | where's thomas? I want to tell him something |
| 04:17 | chris | not here |
| 04:18 | tnb | oh |
| 04:18 | chris | well not upstairs |
| 04:18 | im guessing somewher in the uni | |
| 04:19 | tnb | ok. if you see him, tell him I'm nearly finished adding the online help content we have for admin, so he could start revising it on the wiki |
| 04:20 | chris | will do |
| 05:51 | back | |
| 05:52 | disjuncture | hi good day.. |
| 05:52 | i am having a problem with my koha installation | |
| 05:52 | it's installed with windows xp | |
| 05:52 | chris | ahhh sorry i know very little about windows |
| 05:53 | disjuncture | im trying to add a printer. but i donot know what parameters shall i put there. |
| 05:53 | ooh,,, | |
| 05:53 | chris | maybe the koha-win32 list is a good place to ask? |
| 05:53 | thats where the windows users hang out :) | |
| 05:53 | http://lists.nongnu.org/mailma[…]stinfo/koha-win32 | |
| 05:54 | disjuncture | alright thanks.. |
| 05:58 | eremm no answer there :( | |
| 05:59 | chris | darn, probably best to just email that list |
| 06:00 | disjuncture | ok.. |
| 06:02 | ei how will i know if what version of PDF::API2 do i have?\ | |
| 06:02 | chris | good question, i know the answer for linux |
| 06:02 | but not for windows | |
| 06:02 | disjuncture | ok how is it done for linux |
| 06:04 | ?? | |
| 06:05 | chris | sorry we are in the middle of dev week here, 2 seconds |
| 06:05 | disjuncture | ohh sorry |
| 06:05 | chris | perl -MPDF::API2 -e 'print "$PDF::API2::VERSION\n"' |
| 06:05 | no problem | |
| 06:06 | thats how i would do it, it might work in windows from the command prompt | |
| 06:06 | disjuncture | i got it |
| 06:07 | chris | http://www.koha.org/community/[…]nces/devweek.html <-- what we are doing |
| 06:07 | disjuncture | i have 0.3r77 |
| 06:07 | ohh sorry | |
| 06:07 | chris | its ok |
| 06:07 | i will just be slower to answer | |
| 06:07 | :) | |
| 06:08 | disjuncture | ahh great thing you're here |
| 06:16 | chris | profilePath: ${srcdir:-.}:/usr/share/idzebra/tab/ |
| 06:17 | profilePath: ${srcdir:-.}:/usr/local/share/idzebra/tab/:${srcdir:-.}/tab/ | |
| 06:27 | disjuncture | shh i always het this: Premature end of script headers: barcodesGenerator.pl on my intranet log |
| 06:27 | *get | |
| 06:36 | phew.. i think im going to give up | |
| 06:56 | ok.. i give up. no solutions on the mailing lists | |
| 07:02 | tnb | kados: |
| 07:02 | you there? | |
| 07:04 | chris | :-) |
| 07:04 | kados | tnb: what's up? |
| 07:04 | chris | still working on the marc editor toinS? |
| 07:05 | ToinS | yep |
| 07:05 | chris | cool |
| 07:05 | we are making some progress with zebra | |
| 07:06 | ToinS | ok cool ! |
| 07:08 | disjuncture | hmm :( |
| 07:40 | tnb | kados: you guys working on a system preference to allow reserves on specific copies? |
| 07:40 | I am working on online help for reserves, so I'm wondering | |
| 08:00 | yeah, where is russ? | |
| 08:00 | does he have a phone with him? | |
| 08:02 | chris | yes |
| 08:02 | i think so | |
| 08:06 | tnb | hope he's ok :/ |
| 08:07 | chris | yeah |
| 08:32 | russ | hi |
| 08:32 | chris, tnb you around? | |
| 08:42 | tnb | i'm here russ |
| 08:43 | you here? | |
| 08:43 | russ | well on irc |
| 08:43 | not at cmi | |
| 08:44 | what is happening out there? are people still working in the same groups | |
| 08:45 | or have people moved onto different topics | |
| 08:45 | ? | |
| 08:47 | tnb | russ: we are still working on documentation. |
| 08:48 | john, thomas and I are. | |
| 08:48 | I don't know what ryan is working on. | |
| 08:48 | Cindy is working on something else I don't understand :) | |
| 08:48 | you at the hotel? | |
| 08:48 | russ | yeah |
| 08:49 | was quite humorous - had a power cut for about an hour | |
| 08:49 | tnb | russ: I want to add a blurb to the wiki about the syntax for creating numbered "steps" in an answer. Ie, to use the numbered, bulletted list in the wiki editor |
| 08:49 | russ | whole city block |
| 08:49 | tnb | wow. |
| 08:49 | russ | yeah reading now |
| 08:50 | can i suggest that you login and set your self up a user on the wiki? | |
| 08:50 | that way it is easier to see where changes have come from | |
| 08:50 | tnb | oh yeah, i got sidetracked :? |
| 08:50 | I'll do it now... | |
| 08:50 | russ | i think it will also help others to see that there are a bunch of people contributin |
| 08:52 | chris | ahh there he is |
| 09:00 | tnb | russ: i'm back. Everyone is getting registered. |
| 09:00 | russ | sweet |
| 09:00 | i will do a page on the wiki explaining why it is a good idea | |
| 09:07 | tnb | alright. So about the numbered step stuff... is this ok with you? I am doing the "reserve" page and anything involving reserves is best broken into steps i think |
| 09:07 | will using the wiki syntax for that create weirdness when we import it elsewhere? | |
| 09:08 | russ | i dont think so |
| 09:09 | if it does, i hope it will be the same maddness each time | |
| 09:09 | tnb | :) |
| 09:10 | russ | so we should be able to recognise the pattern and write the script accordingly |
| 09:10 | tnb | um, so what about wrapping answers in div class and also the warnings and information and important? Ryan and I thought we should. If so, we need to explain that on the wiki |
| 09:11 | russ | right i think this is something that may have been miised yseterday |
| 09:11 | sure we could do that | |
| 09:11 | tnb | or, i seem to remember a discussion and then you suggesting all caps on those words would allow you to wrap in divs after the fact? |
| 09:11 | which one would you prefer? | |
| 09:11 | russ | but it may turn off some people from writing docs |
| 09:12 | tnb | I don't mind div tags; depends on who we have writing documentation if they will get that or not |
| 09:12 | russ | as long as there is a pattern that is use consitantly |
| 09:12 | then i think we will be fine | |
| 09:12 | what i suggest you do | |
| 09:12 | is take John's style guide | |
| 09:12 | and use it to make a dummy page | |
| 09:12 | we can then link it in as the example of what to do | |
| 09:13 | if you are doing the reserves page | |
| 09:13 | just use that | |
| 09:13 | tnb | ok, our other question was about multiple questions and the 'skipping' to the answers further down on the page (per John's style guide |
| 09:13 | russ | right |
| 09:14 | i just need to check something in the wiki syntax | |
| 09:14 | tnb | that isn't something that we can do in the wiki, right? |
| 09:14 | russ | 2 secs |
| 09:14 | maybe | |
| 09:14 | i'll double check | |
| 09:14 | tnb | we have to just set it up QA, QA and then pull them out for fancy stuff later |
| 09:16 | russ | the short answer is yes we can do it |
| 09:17 | but i am going to try a little experiment | |
| 09:17 | then i will get back to you | |
| 09:17 | tnb | ok, wait! :) |
| 09:18 | first, I am going to add a sample page under reserves and you tell me whether I'm doing it the way we agreed. Then we need to change the instructions in the guide slightly to be clearer | |
| 09:18 | ok, you can go and tell me when you get back :) | |
| 09:19 | russ | cool do that |
| 09:24 | sweet this works quite well | |
| 09:24 | tnb: do a page with multiple q's and i'll go through and add the links | |
| 09:24 | tnb | here's one i'm working one |
| 09:25 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=reserve.pl | |
| 09:25 | russ | tnb: i think it is easiest to see in an example |
| 09:25 | tnb | this page has multiple questions |
| 09:26 | would another example work better? | |
| 09:26 | russ | cool i'll put the links in now |
| 09:26 | tnb | great! |
| 09:26 | hi owen! | |
| 09:26 | owen: hi | |
| 09:26 | :) | |
| 09:26 | owen | Hi tnb |
| 09:27 | tnb | russ: am i to understand correctly that i don't attempt to place the icon images we agreed on, |
| 09:27 | but that you will add them as styles later? | |
| 09:28 | russ | you = we |
| 09:28 | but yes | |
| 09:28 | that is the case | |
| 09:28 | tnb | :) |
| 09:29 | ok. I'm happy to add the coding part as I do it (divs, etc) if that would be helpful and since I can | |
| 09:30 | maybe we offer two online guidelines, one for people who understand basic html, and those who don't? | |
| 09:30 | russ | no |
| 09:30 | i think keep it basic | |
| 09:31 | i dont think adding the div code is going to make tht much difference | |
| 09:31 | if there are people who arent adding it | |
| 09:33 | tnb | ok then. sounds good. |
| 09:34 | russ | ah we are trying to use the same page :-) |
| 09:35 | tnb | yeah, I stopped |
| 09:35 | :) | |
| 09:35 | i thought you were done :) It is looking good | |
| 09:37 | russ | you know i dont think we need to put the links at the top of the page by hand |
| 09:37 | docuwiki is doing it automagically | |
| 09:37 | so when the time comes | |
| 09:37 | we can do the same | |
| 09:37 | as long as we use the headings correctly | |
| 09:37 | docuwiki creates a nicetable fo contents for each page | |
| 09:38 | oops bit of lag in my typing | |
| 09:38 | so dont worry about the links at the top | |
| 09:39 | to each question | |
| 09:39 | once agian they will sort themselves | |
| 09:39 | as long as people follow the style sheet | |
| 09:39 | it will all work out | |
| 09:40 | tnb | great russ. Thanks :) |
| 09:40 | kados: I have questions on reserves | |
| 09:40 | you have time? | |
| 09:41 | kados | tnyep |
| 09:41 | tnb: what's yup? | |
| 09:41 | tnb | 2 questions |
| 09:41 | firstly, are you all changing the reserves for staff to request specific copies? | |
| 09:41 | ryan thought you might be | |
| 09:43 | secondly, has any library implemented an option for borrowers to set their password themselves online (originally; i know they can change it themselves now | |
| 09:43 | I am writing documentation about this | |
| 09:44 | kados | yes, we're changing reserves so staff can request specific copies |
| 09:44 | yes, borrowers can change their passwords online now and I think NPL has implemented it | |
| 09:44 | if not, you can use liblime's templates as an example of how it works | |
| 09:44 | tnb | wait, i know they can 'change' but i mean 'set' |
| 09:45 | kados | no, can't do that |
| 09:45 | tnb | ok. that's what I need |
| 09:45 | kados | originally the librarian has to set the password |
| 09:45 | tnb | needed |
| 09:45 | right. makes sense. i was just checkingt | |
| 09:45 | checking | |
| 09:46 | russ | ok tnb, here is something for you and john to take a look at |
| 09:46 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=reserve.pl | |
| 09:47 | 3 options for the warning/info | |
| 09:48 | one the warning is a heading - detail is text | |
| 09:48 | two warning and first line are heading - rest of detail is text | |
| 09:49 | three information and short title are heading - detail is text | |
| 09:49 | if it will help | |
| 09:49 | it is pretty easy for me to slot in the icons | |
| 09:49 | so you can get a little preview | |
| 09:53 | k | |
| 09:56 | tnb | ok. let me take a look... |
| 10:00 | ok russ. the consensus is that #1 is definitely out | |
| 10:00 | John likes #3 | |
| 10:01 | I think #2 is preferable if the first line is short and descriptive, otherwise #3 | |
| 10:01 | :) | |
| 10:03 | russ | cool |
| 10:03 | i think you are right | |
| 10:04 | if the title gets too long | |
| 10:04 | a short title should be found | |
| 10:04 | i suggest that you take the examples from this page | |
| 10:04 | and use them to update the style guide | |
| 10:04 | we are getting there slowly :-) | |
| 10:11 | tnb | russ: if we use h3 for the 'special' tags, then what should we use for the nested questions? |
| 10:11 | h4? | |
| 10:11 | originally, it was going to be h2 and h3 | |
| 10:17 | russ | hmm |
| 10:18 | good question | |
| 10:18 | now really we should use h4 for the special tags | |
| 10:18 | and h3 for nested questions | |
| 10:19 | once again as long as we are consistant we can always swap it around | |
| 10:22 | tnb | alright. I'll do that. :) |
| 10:29 | russ: i think a "Remember:" might be less alarmist than "Warning", what do you think? | |
| 10:29 | ru feeling better? | |
| 10:29 | btw | |
| 10:31 | russ | :-) |
| 10:31 | yes thw big warnings are a bit scary | |
| 10:32 | good idea | |
| 10:32 | i ink i'll make it out to CMI tomorrow | |
| 10:33 | tnb | I have some ginger tea if you want it (it is very potent stuff! not for the faint of heart :) |
| 10:35 | russ | lol |
| 10:38 | tnb: knock on the door when you get back to the hotel | |
| 10:48 | tnb | kados: how's it going? |
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