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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 19:28 | kados | hey tumer |
| 19:28 | tumer | hi |
| 19:28 | kados | tumer: just sent you an email :-) |
| 19:28 | tumer | could not sleep |
| 19:28 | kados | heh |
| 19:29 | they keep me up :-) | |
| 19:29 | tumer | your mail did not come |
| 19:29 | kados | hmmm |
| 19:30 | tgarip at neu.edu.tr the right email addr? | |
| 19:30 | tumer | thats right |
| 19:30 | kados | strange |
| 19:30 | sent about 10 minutes ago | |
| 19:30 | tumer | univ server sometýmes goes bezurk |
| 19:30 | kados | right |
| 19:31 | tumer | do you know anythýng about thd's new frameworks |
| 19:32 | kados | yes ... |
| 19:32 | want me to send you a copy? | |
| 19:32 | they still need some checking | |
| 19:32 | tumer | I have a copy |
| 19:32 | kados | ahh |
| 19:33 | tumer | There is a problem if he decides to use 09o instad of 090 fields |
| 19:33 | kados | of course |
| 19:33 | he shouldn't do that | |
| 19:33 | tumer | M:F:X can not parse it |
| 19:33 | kados | right |
| 19:33 | (but we can of course modify M::F::X as it should be capable of parsing any tag) | |
| 19:34 | (IMO) | |
| 19:34 | tumer: last week I sent you a mail regarding MARC::Charset ... did you recieve that one? | |
| 19:34 | tumer | also all of biblio and addbiblio has to change |
| 19:34 | kados: No! | |
| 19:34 | kados | yikes ... |
| 19:35 | maybe your email server is blocking mail from me | |
| 19:35 | did you get the one I sent about Index Data Support? | |
| 19:35 | tumer | its blocking email depending how busy it is- students you know |
| 19:35 | kados | wow ... |
| 19:35 | do you have a yahoo account or something that I can depend on? | |
| 19:36 | tumer | I am still waiting for the indexdata support mail |
| 19:36 | kados | yikes ... |
| 19:36 | so at least three mails I have sent ... | |
| 19:36 | tumer | try tumergariphotmail.com |
| 19:36 | kados | let me check if there were others |
| 19:36 | ok, I'll bounce the messages there | |
| 19:37 | tumer | I want to sort a few more things about Zebra before I come to Marseilles |
| 19:38 | By the way I am now using thd's new frame. But 90o instaed of 09o for storing bibnumbers | |
| 19:39 | kados | cool, is it working? |
| 19:39 | tumer | Yes |
| 19:39 | kados | 90o ... is that a bug? |
| 19:39 | tumer: (messages sent to your hotmail account, let me know if you recieved them) | |
| 19:39 | tumer | the problem is tag<10 finds 09o to be lower than 10 so can not be used |
| 19:40 | kados | ahh |
| 19:40 | probably bibid/biblionumber should be in 001 eh? | |
| 19:40 | according to standard MARC anyway | |
| 19:41 | tumer | I received 2 mails |
| 19:41 | letsd wait and see | |
| 19:42 | kados | 1. Koha Demo of Zebra Integration; 2. MARC::Charset missing Turkish Chars?; 3. Index Data Support Information |
| 19:43 | tumer | it can be anywhere. And yes 001 is a good choise. ý am merely testing |
| 19:43 | I receied 1&3 | |
| 19:43 | kados | hmmm, strange |
| 19:43 | I'll send 2 again just to be sure | |
| 19:47 | tumer | is the 2nd a large file |
| 19:48 | it is still not here | |
| 19:48 | how urgently you need the Zenra-Koha demo setup? | |
| 19:49 | kados | strange |
| 19:49 | tumer: I need it before the 2nd of May | |
| 19:49 | tumer: as that is when my demo is :-) | |
| 19:49 | tumer: but ideally before then so I can get comfortable using it | |
| 19:51 | tumer | OK. I have to find a way to send it to you. We have a limit on smpt, no ftp server so we have to see what to do |
| 19:51 | kados | tumer: here's the second email: http://kados.org/tumeremail.txt |
| 19:51 | tumer: I have an ftp server | |
| 19:52 | tumer: if you tell me your IP address I can enable it for upload | |
| 19:52 | tumer | I can upload there? |
| 19:52 | 212.175.151.135 | |
| 19:53 | kados | tumer: ftp1.liblime.com |
| 19:53 | tumer: anonymous user/pass should work | |
| 19:55 | tumer | kados:I'll work on this within 18hrs |
| 19:55 | kados | tumer: thanks! |
| 19:56 | tumer | I tried using Zebra1.4 today. But it find 30% less records than 1.35. very strange thing this Zebra |
| 19:57 | kados | ?? |
| 19:57 | wow, that is strange | |
| 19:57 | (btw: if you want to clean up the marc21 bib framework and commit it you can put it here: misc/marc_datas/marc21_english/structure_def.sql ) | |
| 19:58 | tumer: i must leave for about 30 minutes ... | |
| 19:58 | tumer: I'll be back soon | |
| 19:59 | tumer | kados: have you any zebra running with koha? |
| 20:56 | thd | kados: I think that tumer misunderstands the intended temporary use of 09o. Following the example of RLIN, XXo and XXr were meant to hold original copy catalogued record content that would otherwise interfere with Koha local use fields until Koha fields were suitably remapped.. |
| 20:59 | kados: Koha's use of a numeric test of < 10 for control fields should be replaced by a regex testing m/^00/ | |
| 21:03 | kados: 090 is the second most common place to find LC call numbers, standard for both RLIN and OCLC and formerly for USMARC. | |
| 21:07 | kados: 001 is a single value control field and cannot be substituted for both biblio.biblionumber now in 090 $c and biblioitems.biblioitemsnumber now in 090 $d. | |
| 21:12 | kados | thd: agreed on all accounts |
| 02:43 | ToinS | hi all |
| 02:43 | pierrick | hi ToinS |
| 02:44 | ToinS | pierrick: hello |
| 02:58 | hdl | hello all |
| 03:06 | pierrick | hi hdl |
| 03:07 | hdl | pierrick: hello how are you ? |
| 03:12 | pierrick | hdl, I'm fine thank you :-) |
| 03:14 | nice WE in Montpellier? | |
| 03:14 | hdl | busy Koha one ;) |
| 03:14 | pierrick | productive? |
| 03:28 | hdl | Not much for business, but for friendship yes :) |
| 03:30 | pierrick | :-) |
| 03:30 | I'm currently trying to understand why Koha is so slow on my computer :-( | |
| 03:31 | I've placed some indicators in the Perl code and Perl code execution is fast (less than 100 ms) | |
| 03:32 | but when I launch a page, it needs 2 to 5 secondes to get displayed :-( | |
| 03:32 | I've tried a PHP script and it displays very fast | |
| 03:33 | There must be something with my Apache and Perl | |
| 03:41 | hdl | pierrick: perlversion and apache one ? |
| 03:42 | pierrick | perl 5.8.7 and apache 2.0.54 |
| 04:00 | I've added a time check before and after output_html_with_http_headers, this step is incredibly slow: more than 500ms on my computer | |
| 04:01 | hdl, even when I execute the Perl script in command line, it is very slow :-/ | |
| 04:02 | (not so slow in fact, but more than one second to display the logon page) | |
| 04:13 | chris | pierrick |
| 04:13 | it might be worth using the profiler | |
| 04:13 | have you used it before? | |
| 04:14 | http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/[…]rlnut/ch06_05.htm | |
| 04:14 | its very useful for finding bottlenecks in code | |
| 04:19 | for eg | |
| 04:19 | on my computer at home | |
| 04:19 | pierrick | hi chris |
| 04:19 | chris | perl -I /usr/local/koha/intranet/modules -d:DProf mainpage.pl |
| 04:20 | pierrick | I'm installing Apache 1.3.33 to check the problem doesn't come from Apache |
| 04:20 | chris | hmm |
| 04:20 | right | |
| 04:20 | dprofpp tmon.out | |
| 04:20 | Total Elapsed Time = 0.305953 Seconds | |
| 04:20 | User+System Time = 0.285953 Seconds | |
| 04:20 | pierrick | chris, how do you have cookies running script by command line? |
| 04:22 | chris | hmm im not sure, i know you can pass in variables |
| 04:24 | hdl | chris: on my machine : koha-2.2 : 0.5 seconds on mainpage.pl |
| 04:25 | chris | %Time ExclSec CumulS #Calls sec/call Csec/c Name |
| 04:25 | 27.9 0.080 0.080 4 0.0200 0.0199 C4::Date::BEGIN | |
| 04:25 | hdl | chris: on my machine : koha-dev : 1.3 seconds on mainpage.pl |
| 04:25 | dprof time | |
| 04:25 | chris | it seems to me that C4::Date |
| 04:25 | is what is slowing it down | |
| 04:25 | which makes sense since that uses Date::Manio | |
| 04:25 | Date::Manip even | |
| 04:26 | hdl | C4::Date sure, but ZOOM::Exception also. |
| 04:26 | chris | right |
| 04:26 | hdl | 59.2 0.670 0.670 3 0.2233 0.2233 Smart::Comments::__ANON__ |
| 04:26 | 7.96 0.090 0.100 4 0.0225 0.0249 C4::Date::BEGIN | |
| 04:26 | 3.54 0.040 1.141 7 0.0057 0.1630 main::BEGIN | |
| 04:26 | 2.65 0.030 0.030 9 0.0033 0.0033 base::import | |
| 04:26 | chris | ahh |
| 04:26 | hdl | 1.77 0.020 1.002 5 0.0040 0.2005 C4::Reserves2::BEGIN |
| 04:26 | 1.77 0.020 0.040 8 0.0025 0.0050 Smart::Comments::BEGIN | |
| 04:26 | 1.77 0.020 0.187 8 0.0025 0.0233 C4::Search::BEGIN | |
| 04:26 | 1.77 0.020 0.029 4 0.0049 0.0073 C4::Database::BEGIN | |
| 04:26 | 1.15 0.013 0.686 5 0.0026 0.1373 Filter::Simple::__ANON__ | |
| 04:26 | 0.88 0.010 0.010 2 0.0050 0.0050 AutoLoader::AUTOLOAD | |
| 04:26 | chris | comment out the use smart::comments call |
| 04:26 | hdl | 0.88 0.010 0.010 1 0.0100 0.0100 ZOOM::Exception::BEGIN |
| 04:26 | ||
| 04:27 | chris | it hsould be quite a bit faster with use Smart::Comments; commented out |
| 04:28 | hdl | Yes. I realized when copying. |
| 04:28 | chris | :) |
| 04:28 | hdl | pierrick: Do you have Smart::Comments on your machine ? |
| 04:28 | chris | its good for testing, not good for production :) |
| 04:29 | pierrick | hdl, I do |
| 04:29 | hdl | chris: But ZOOM::Exception coud become another bottleneck. |
| 04:29 | chris | yep it looks like it could be |
| 04:30 | maybe we should put profiling code as one of the tasks for the dev week also? | |
| 04:30 | hdl | pierrick: have you seen my dprof and Smart::Comments point ? |
| 04:43 | pierrick | I've seen, but my problem doesn't come from modules load I think |
| 04:44 | I've tested the total generation time of a page from its beginning to its end and it's good, what's bad is the time to display in my browser | |
| 04:44 | btoumi | hi evrybody |
| 04:44 | pierrick | hi btoumi |
| 04:44 | chris | ahh |
| 04:45 | pierrick, does it make any difference if you change templates? | |
| 04:45 | pierrick | chris, my pages needs several seconds to display (from 2 to 5 at least) |
| 04:45 | working with PROG on HEAD or with default on 2.2 is slow | |
| 04:45 | Forbidden | |
| 04:45 | You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl on this server. | |
| 04:45 | Apache/1.3.33 Server at plegall Port 8080 | |
| 04:46 | :-/ don't understand what I've forgotten in my Apache 1.3.33 configuration | |
| 04:47 | chris | permissions ok? |
| 04:47 | pierrick | same as with my Apache 2.0.54 |
| 04:47 | chris | pierrick, does it make any difference if you try a different browser? |
| 04:48 | pierrick | chris, I go back to Apache 2 and test with a text browser |
| 04:48 | hdl | hi btoumi |
| 04:49 | chris | oh and hi btoumi :) |
| 04:49 | btoumi | hi hdl |
| 04:49 | hi chris | |
| 04:51 | pierrick | chris, faster with w3m but still slow |
| 04:52 | chris | so it looks like its something to do with it running as a CGI |
| 04:52 | pierrick | chris, this is just a feeling, I have no times displayed |
| 04:52 | chris | right |
| 04:52 | pierrick | I would like to test with Apache 1.3.33 before saying it's a Perl problem |
| 04:53 | chris | right |
| 04:54 | if its still slow with apache 1.3.33 | |
| 04:54 | what i would do is edit mainpage.pl | |
| 04:54 | change #!/usr/bin/perl | |
| 04:54 | to #!/usr/bin/perl -d | |
| 04:54 | and add | |
| 04:54 | use Devel::DProf; | |
| 04:55 | then when it runs, it will create a tmon.out file | |
| 04:55 | and you can dprofpp it | |
| 04:56 | and it might shed some light on what is slowing it down | |
| 04:58 | when i do that and run it | |
| 04:59 | %Time ExclSec CumulS #Calls sec/call Csec/c Name | |
| 04:59 | 41.7 0.020 0.020 5 0.0040 0.0040 CGI::_compile | |
| 04:59 | thats the slowest thing when running it from apache | |
| 05:49 | pierrick | chris, still very slow with Apache 1.3.33 :-/ I'm trying the profiler you're suggesting |
| 05:49 | kados | hi all |
| 05:49 | paul around? | |
| 05:49 | pierrick | hi kados |
| 05:50 | kados, last week, paul said he would be there the first 3 days of this week | |
| 05:50 | kados | today is monday, the first day of the week, right? :-) |
| 05:50 | pierrick | right |
| 05:51 | ToinS | paul will be not around the first 3 day ! |
| 05:52 | he 'll come back on thursday | |
| 06:05 | kados | ahh ... I missunderstood pierrick's post :-) |
| 06:05 | hdl around? | |
| 06:06 | 1. does LDAP support in Koha allow borrowing and reserving or does it only support authentication? | |
| 06:06 | 2. has paul finished the thesaurus support he was working on? | |
| 06:55 | hdl | kados: I'm here now. |
| 06:55 | kados: 1) pls detail. | |
| 06:56 | pierrick | kados, sorry I miswrote my post... s/would/wouldn't/ :-) |
| 06:56 | kados | hdl: I know that LDAP is used for authentication, but I'm not sure if it can be used to check-out, reserve, etc., books to a patron if that patron doesn't exist in the borrowers table |
| 06:58 | hdl: is that detailed enough? | |
| 07:01 | hdl | kados: you should ask him via email. I know he worked on it, but more on authentication than intranet flags integration. |
| 07:02 | kados | ok, I will email paul, thanks! |
| 07:02 | hdl | 2) thesarus support you mean multi level hierarchy ? |
| 07:02 | I am working on it. | |
| 07:03 | (or will be soon) | |
| 07:03 | kados | hdl: (ok, 2, it's enough, thanks) |
| 07:03 | hdl: mail sent to paul, when you see him, could you ask him to reply asap if possible? :-) | |
| 07:05 | hdl | I shall phone him dureing the week. |
| 07:05 | btoumi | hi kados i'm bruno from SAN Ouest Provence |
| 07:08 | kados | hi btoumi |
| 07:08 | btoumi: good to read you on IRC | |
| 07:09 | btoumi | thanks it's pleasure |
| 07:12 | hdl : paul is here? | |
| 07:13 | hdl | btoumi: No. Not until Thursday. |
| 07:15 | btoumi | ok i do request to join koha developper group |
| 07:20 | kados | btoumi: you can ask me :-) |
| 07:20 | btoumi: do you mean on savannah? | |
| 07:20 | btoumi | yes sorry i believe that u prepare your trip |
| 07:21 | kados | btoumi: what's your username? |
| 07:21 | btoumi: on savannah? | |
| 07:21 | btoumi | yes |
| 07:21 | kados | btoumi: if I have time I"ll add you |
| 07:21 | btoumi | thanks |
| 07:22 | my username : btoumi | |
| 07:22 | kados | btoumi: ok |
| 07:25 | pierrick | about my performances problem, using Apache 1.3.33 doesn't improve anything. I've tried using Devel::DProf (can't make it work through Apache) and it revealed Smart::Comments was very slow to load. I commented the "use" statement and now Koha is really faster |
| 07:27 | kados | hehe |
| 07:27 | good detective work | |
| 07:27 | Smart::Comments shouldn't be in rel_2_2 | |
| 07:27 | if it is, it should be commented out | |
| 07:28 | pierrick: could you remove the 'use Smart::Comments' from CVS? | |
| 07:28 | pierrick | from HEAD? |
| 07:28 | or just in rel_2_2 | |
| 07:28 | kados | just in rel_2_2 |
| 07:28 | in HEAD it's ok | |
| 07:28 | since HEAD is not near production-ready | |
| 07:29 | pierrick | I made my test with HEAd, not rel_2_2, I'm going to test the speed of rel_2_2 |
| 07:31 | plegall:~/dev/koha/2.2$ find . -name "*.pm" -o -name "*.pl" | xargs grep Smart::Comment | |
| 07:31 | revealed nothing :-) | |
| 07:32 | kados | ahh, ok |
| 07:32 | pierrick | and rel_2_2 is really faster than HEAD with Smart::Comment |
| 07:32 | kados | wow! |
| 07:32 | even searching? | |
| 07:32 | pierrick | hum... on rel_2_2, search works |
| 08:59 | btoumi | msg chris |
| 09:00 | pierrick | btoumi, I think chris is sleeping now |
| 09:01 | btoumi | ok it's right i'm forget he leave in nz |
| 09:34 | pierrick | hdl, are you around? |
| 09:35 | hdl | yes |
| 09:35 | pierrick | is it normal reserve can be linked to an item? |
| 09:35 | hdl | Do they ? |
| 09:35 | pierrick | in my imagination, it was linked to a biblio, not a specific item |
| 09:36 | in reserves table, you have biblionumber and itemnumber | |
| 09:36 | hdl | In fact, at first sight, it should be linked to a biblio. |
| 09:36 | pierrick | the two can be set |
| 09:36 | hdl | BUT. |
| 09:36 | when you have a multiple branch library with independatBranches. | |
| 09:37 | you doNOT want ppl to reserve items on an other branch. | |
| 09:38 | Thus, reserves mustnot be only on biblio but must be available for an item ? | |
| 09:38 | . | |
| 09:38 | Is it ok for you ? | |
| 09:38 | pierrick | not at all, I don't understand what you say |
| 09:38 | on passe en francais si tu veux bien | |
| 09:38 | hdl | ok. |
| 09:39 | pierrick | chaque branche est liee a une liste d'items |
| 09:39 | hdl | Une bib a 3 sites. |
| 09:39 | 3 sites indépedants. | |
| 09:39 | pierrick | continue... |
| 09:39 | hdl | Elle ne veut pas que le lecteur du site1 puisse emprunter de livre du site2. |
| 09:40 | Or la notice biblio n'est pas attachée à un site. | |
| 09:40 | pierrick | evidemment, ce sont les items qui sont attachés à un site (selon le bon sens) |
| 09:40 | hdl | Si Site1 et Site2 ont chacune des exemplaires de Harry Potter. |
| 09:41 | Il faut que ce soit lexemplaire du site 1 (si le lecteur est du site1) qui soit réservé. | |
| 09:41 | pierrick | je continue à ne pas comprendre la logique |
| 09:41 | hdl | Explique ce que tu ne comprends pas alors. |
| 09:41 | pierrick | une bibliothèque a 2 sites |
| 09:42 | le site 1 possède 3 copies du biblio 4321 | |
| 09:42 | le site 2 possède 4 copies du biblio 4321 | |
| 09:43 | le borrower 987, attaché au site 2 souhaite réserver le biblio 4321 | |
| 09:43 | ce serait malheureux qu'il doive attendre un item précis alors que 4 items sont disponibles sur ce site | |
| 09:44 | je prends le problème à l'envers, mais je pense que le modèle de données est incohérent | |
| 09:45 | je constate cette incohérence en tentant de corriger le bug 668 | |
| 09:46 | parce que lorsqu'on veut emprunter un item réservé, on supprime la réservation sur l'item alors qu'un réservation est théorique sur un biblio, donc l'annulation de résa ne marche qu'une fois sur 10. | |
| 09:49 | a mon avis, avoir l'itemnumber dans la résa a du sens dans certains très très rare, mais si c'est pour résoudre les problèmes de branches, c'est pas la bonne façon de faire à mon avis | |
| 09:50 | hdl, je loupe un truc ou ce que je dis a du sens? | |
| 09:51 | hi tume | |
| 09:51 | s/tume/tumer | |
| 09:51 | hdl | hi tumer. |
| 09:52 | tumer | hi everybody |
| 09:52 | hdl | pierrick: Certes, c'est peut-être dommage. |
| 09:52 | tumer | pardon je ne parle pas français |
| 09:53 | hdl | Mais mon cas, c'est Harry Potter : 1exemplaire dans le site1, Un autre dans le Site2 |
| 09:53 | pierrick | sorry tumer, we had a conversation specific to reserve |
| 09:53 | hdl | tumer: sorry we are talking about reserves. |
| 09:53 | tumer | I thought it was for me sorry |
| 09:54 | pierrick | hdl, n'avoir qu'un exemplaire par site n'est il pas un raccourci réducteur à la solution des branches? |
| 09:54 | tumer | Can anyone give me the name of hotel in Marseilles so I can book |
| 09:54 | when you are free offcourse | |
| 09:54 | pierrick | tumer, http://www.europe-hotel.fr/uk/[…]ooking_online.php |
| 09:55 | hdl | C'est assez fréquent en Bib de recherche. |
| 09:56 | En fait, la réservation des exemplaires m'a été demandé au moins trois fois. | |
| 09:56 | pierrick | hdl, je ne vais pas m'acharner, à mon sens c'est une erreur de conception et si ça ne te choque pas, alors je n'en ferai rien :-) |
| 10:19 | tumer | pierrick: which hotel everyone else is staying |
| 10:24 | pierrick | tumer, the one I gave you the URL |
| 10:25 | tumer | pierrick:thanks |
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