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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:35 | thd | kados: are you there? |
| 12:41 | kados | thd: hi there |
| 12:41 | thd | hello: kados |
| 12:41 | kados | thd: so what's the URL? |
| 12:42 | thd | kados: http://www.voyages-sncf.com/ |
| 12:43 | kados: there you will find many prices | |
| 12:43 | paul_away | sncf is our national company. |
| 12:43 | the only one for train & tgv. | |
| 12:44 | thd | kados: there is a special non-changeable type of ticket that has the best price but very limited availability |
| 12:44 | kados | ahh |
| 12:44 | paul_away | you can't get prices cheaper then from there. |
| 12:44 | paul | billet prem's (prem's means "first") => |
| 12:44 | kados | paul: woudl it be good for finding a train from paris to Geneva and Geneva to Paris? |
| 12:44 | paul | valid only on the train & the date it is delivered for. |
| 12:44 | kados | right |
| 12:44 | paul | but can be very very cheap. |
| 12:45 | kados | should I get a train pass instead? |
| 12:45 | paul | yes, you can use it. |
| 12:45 | thd | kados: some flights within Europe are less than train fair |
| 12:45 | paul | thd : right. |
| 12:45 | thd | s/fair/fare/ |
| 12:45 | kados | thd: yes, but I would like to try the train as I've never been on one :-) |
| 12:46 | thd | kados: I do not have all the plane information but I will tell you about the train |
| 12:46 | paul | http://www.ryanair.com/site/FR/ and http://www.easyjet.com/splash.asp?lang=fr are low cost companies |
| 12:46 | about the train : paris => geneve is not a train, it's a TGV ! | |
| 12:46 | kados | ahh ... what is TGV? |
| 12:46 | thd | kados: are there no trains in Ohio |
| 12:46 | paul | 300km/h between paris & lyon (75% of the distance) |
| 12:46 | "Train à Grande Vitesse" | |
| 12:46 | thd | ? |
| 12:46 | paul | => high speed train. |
| 12:46 | kados | super train? :-) |
| 12:47 | paul | the TGV is something really wonderful : 3hours from marseille center to paris center. |
| 12:47 | kados | thd: there are trains in Ohio, but I've never been on one :-) |
| 12:47 | paul | faster than plane !!!! |
| 12:47 | kados | wow, sounds like that's what I want |
| 12:47 | paul: can I get a month pass on the TGV? | |
| 12:47 | paul: (is it pan-european or just in france?) | |
| 12:47 | paul | 1st class is even better between paris & marseille : in almost all trains, you get a power supply for your computer ! |
| 12:48 | kados | http://www.raileurope.com |
| 12:48 | this seems like a good site for US travelers :-) | |
| 12:49 | thd | kados: yes that is good from the same national French rail company but but you seem to pay a bit extra |
| 12:51 | kados | not too expensive though |
| 12:51 | $45 USD | |
| 12:51 | $90 round trip | |
| 12:51 | thd | kados: "Using the voyages-sncf website, you can find some amazingly cheap 'prems' fares - for example, Paris to Marseille 25 euros, ... . But please read the advice below first, and if you have any problems with this site, book by phone if necessary." Man in seat sitxty-one. How to travel by train from London to Europe : a complete guide. http://www.seat61.com/Europe.htm . That website has very useful information if the fare can be found. |
| 12:51 | paul | http://www.raileurope.com/us/c[…]ow_pass_works.htm |
| 12:51 | Seat Reservations and Overnight Travel | |
| 12:51 | A pass allows the boarding of a train, bus, plane, or boat, but does not guarantee a seat. Seat reservations are optional for most trains but are mandatory for all TGV, Thalys, Cisalpino, AVE, and Italian Day trains and selected EuroCity and InterCity trains and for all sleepers and couchettes. Couchettes. All tickets are sold including any necessary reservations whether selecting a seat or sleeper. If holding a railpass, reservations are sold as | |
| 12:51 | passholder fares. | |
| 12:52 | kados | paul: thanks! |
| 12:52 | paul | I confirm seat reservations ARE mandatory for TGV. |
| 12:52 | it's between 3 and 15 euros | |
| 12:52 | thd | kados: $90 round trip between Marseilles and Paris is a very good price |
| 12:53 | paul | $90 means paris => marseille => paris ? |
| 12:53 | then yes, very good price. | |
| 12:53 | kados | paul: no, paris => geneva => paris |
| 12:53 | paul: so a very good price :-) | |
| 12:53 | paul: but I think a pass would be easier | |
| 12:53 | paul | probably. |
| 12:53 | kados | paul: because I have several days after geneva with nothing to do :-) |
| 12:53 | paul | but don't forget the reservation. |
| 12:53 | kados | paul: and I may want to explore a bit |
| 12:53 | paul | (for TGV) |
| 12:53 | kados | paul: right, I will need to make sure to remember that |
| 12:54 | paul: thanks | |
| 12:54 | paul | you should try Lyon (very close to Geneva) |
| 12:54 | what kind of things do you want to see ? | |
| 12:54 | old cities ? sea ? hills ? | |
| 12:55 | thd | kados: I found that the lowest fare one way from Marseilles to Paris without prems was $88. |
| 12:55 | paul | yep. |
| 12:55 | (EUR75) | |
| 12:55 | but it's the basic price. | |
| 12:56 | depending on your luck, you can get one for 20EUR ! | |
| 12:56 | (and depending on whether you reserve late or soon) | |
| 12:56 | thd | kados: so reserve soon |
| 12:56 | paul | not necessary ! |
| 12:57 | if the train is empty, the price may be very low 1 days before the trip ! | |
| 12:57 | hdl | soon can be three months time ;) |
| 12:58 | thd | paul: aeroplanes never have low prices one day before even if half empty |
| 12:58 | paul | (mmm... some very low prices cant be achieved only from voyages-sncf.com & with a ticket you pay yourself) |
| 12:58 | guys, I must leave now. | |
| 12:58 | read you on monday. | |
| 12:58 | thd | thanks paul |
| 13:05 | kados: If you were going to be travelling a bit between other than just Paris to Marseille, Marseille to Genevre then a Eurail pass may help | |
| 13:11 | kados: otherwise a Eurail pass does not seem to function as a pass for substituted pass fare instead of standard fare. It seems to offer discounted fare after paying the premium which could only be worth the price if there were several trips within the period | |
| 13:13 | kados: however, there are many different types of Eurail passes. The least expensive Eurail pass did not seem to help me because the pass would cost more than my total fares without the pass. | |
| 13:14 | kados: If you are under 26 when paying for fares, however, you may have a discount. | |
| 13:17 | kados | thd: unfortunately I'm not under 26 anymore :-) |
| 13:17 | thd | kados: how ancient are you now? |
| 13:17 | kados | 27 :-) |
| 13:18 | thd | kados: there is an English language option with a flag well hidden at the bottom of http://www.voyages-sncf.com . |
| 13:20 | essential navigation at the bottom only is very poor design unless there is a link to change language or something at the top of the page | |
| 13:21 | please remember that template designers of the world | |
| 13:25 | kados | hdl: does the TGV pass cover local trains too? or just the TGV? |
| 13:26 | hdl | TGV trains often hav correspondancies with local trains. |
| 13:27 | But some TGV have special fees. | |
| 13:28 | kados | hdl: I can get a 21 day pass for about $800 USD |
| 13:28 | hdl: and I must travel from Paris->Geneva->Paris->marseille->Paris (at least, with no extra trips) | |
| 13:28 | hdl: do you think it's worth it to get the 21 day pass? | |
| 13:29 | hdl: how can I tell which trains will be coverd by the TGV pass? | |
| 13:30 | hdl | seems you should ask raileurope. |
| 13:31 | If you want to travel around. Sure it is worth. | |
| 13:31 | thd | kados: there are many useful telephone numbers etc. at http://www.seat61.com/Europe.htm |
| 13:31 | hdl | But watch out for how many journey days it is worth. |
| 13:32 | I saw 4 days on raileurope for an international pass. | |
| 13:33 | kados | hmmm |
| 13:33 | it seems Eurostar is not included in the railpass | |
| 13:34 | thd | kados: approach the passes with some caution to avoid paying more than you would otherwise |
| 13:35 | kados: check what the regular fares for you excursions would be against what is covered by the pass | |
| 13:36 | kados: I had expected that a pass was automatically the best advantage but that does not seem to be true. | |
| 13:37 | kados | thd: I think it depends on how much travelling you're going to do and where you're going |
| 13:38 | thd | kados: exactly, but check carefully to see what applies in the case of EuroStar etc. |
| 13:39 | kados | thd: yep |
| 13:48 | thd | kados: there are also inter-rail passes but you would not be eligible if you are from outside Europe |
| 03:17 | hdl_away | hi pierrick. |
| 03:17 | osmoze | hello :) |
| 03:17 | hdl | hello |
| 03:20 | pierrick | hello everybody :-) |
| 05:47 | chris | evening all |
| 05:51 | pierrick | good evening chris |
| 06:34 | anybody here ? | |
| 06:34 | chris | just me |
| 06:38 | pierrick | sorry, I go to lunch, I'll ask my question after :-) |
| 08:20 | is anybody here ? | |
| 08:25 | hdl | yes. |
| 08:25 | pierrick: | |
| 08:27 | pierrick | In circulation page, I don't understand what "previous" issues means |
| 08:27 | in the code, I read that circulation is only displaying current issues | |
| 08:28 | Why are issues started or renewed the current day supposed to be separated ? (they aren't there is a bug) | |
| 08:31 | (I've corrected the small bug) | |
| 08:51 | hdl | pierrick: writing ppl you are talking to name before speaking buz him. I had overlooked your problem. |
| 08:58 | pierrick | hdl, sorry |
| 08:59 | hdl | no pb. |
| 08:59 | pierrick: It is I who was sorry not to have watched out your text. | |
| 09:06 | pierrick | hdl, do you have answers to my questions ? |
| 10:06 | owen | pierrick, are you there? |
| 10:13 | pierrick | owen, here I am |
| 10:14 | owen | Hi, I was just composing an email in response to your posts about the templates |
| 10:14 | I think you raise some good points | |
| 10:14 | pierrick | :-) |
| 10:14 | owen | Fieldsets are a great idea |
| 10:14 | And I agree that form buttons aren't always necessary | |
| 10:15 | Often I was using them for the sake of consistency | |
| 10:16 | visual consistency, that is | |
| 10:17 | pierrick | http://le-gall.net/pierrick/im[…]ncy_head_menu.png |
| 10:17 | prettier menu for PROG | |
| 10:17 | owen | With prog, we're not concerned about pretty. |
| 10:17 | The prog templates are for programmers only | |
| 10:18 | Never to be used for the public | |
| 10:18 | pierrick | Well, there is not pretty and ugly... |
| 10:18 | owen | :) |
| 10:19 | anyway, it should be a stylesheet issue. The only places where we need to come to a consensus are things like form buttons vs. links | |
| 10:25 | pierrick | (menu was just for me, I didn't want to commit my 10 lines of CSS ;-) |
| 10:33 | kados | morning guys |
| 10:35 | pierrick | good morning joshua |
| 11:19 | hdl | moring guys |
| 11:20 | thd | hdl good morning |
| 11:46 | hdl: Is there no inexpensive way to travel from Marsielle to Madrid without returning to Paris and departing from Paris. Would you know? | |
| 11:49 | hdl | try Thalys. |
| 11:50 | I know it goes to Spain... maybe Madrid. |
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