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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:19 | kados | morning all |
| 11:20 | hdl: do you know if paul will be here later? | |
| 11:20 | hdl: I have two questions: | |
| 11:21 | 1. if multiple 'search also' are defined for a tag in multiple frameworks, which one is used in a search | |
| 11:21 | 2. in 3.0, what are we doing with biblioitemnumber? i had to force it to a value of '1' to avoid getting errors while doing bulkmarcimport | |
| 11:24 | paul | hello all |
| 11:24 | hello kados : hdl phoned me and told me you have 2 questions | |
| 11:24 | so here I am ! | |
| 11:27 | kados | thanks! :-) |
| 11:27 | 1. if multiple 'search also' are defined for a tag in multiple frameworks, which one is used in a search | |
| 11:27 | 2. in 3.0, what are we doing with biblioitemnumber? i had to force it to a value of '1' to avoid getting errors while doing bulkmarcimport | |
| 11:27 | there they are :-) | |
| 11:27 | paul | 1- only the default one |
| 11:28 | 2- it depends on what we do with biblio/biblioitem tables ! they are supposed to be populated when adding biblio in non MARC DB | |
| 11:28 | It used to work on HEAD last time I look at it. | |
| 11:28 | but so many ppl did so many dangerous things (me being the 1st !) | |
| 11:28 | kados | :-) |
| 11:28 | it works currently | |
| 11:29 | because I forced biblioitemnumber to a value of '1' to stop errors | |
| 11:29 | paul | katipo will enjoy this with MARC= OFF !!!! |
| 11:30 | with MARC=ON, it may be harmless, as everything is done on bibliounmber + 1 biblioitem = 1 biblionumber | |
| 11:30 | but with MARC=OFF, it's not the same thing. | |
| 11:30 | kados | hmmm |
| 11:30 | so what do you recommend as a more permenant solution? | |
| 11:31 | if MARC=OFF, do we need biblioitem table at all? | |
| 11:32 | and do we need it with MARC=ON? (is it used at all in head?) | |
| 11:32 | paul | with MARC=OFF, adding an biblio means : |
| 11:32 | * adding a biblio (in biblio table) | |
| 11:32 | * then adding a "group", that is stored in biblioitems | |
| 11:32 | * then adding items in one of the group. | |
| 11:32 | it means we may have : | |
| 11:32 | * biblio : the 2 towers, from Tolkien | |
| 11:33 | * biblioitems : 1 pocket book, ed 1996 and 1 large printed book, ed 2002 | |
| 11:33 | kados | I see, so I need to fix that for MARC=OFF ... |
| 11:33 | paul | * items : 2 from pocket, 1 from large |
| 11:33 | yep. | |
| 11:33 | kados | unless katipo wants to switch to an XML basis for koha tables |
| 11:34 | paul | (plus probably ask chris for some help, as i'm not completly sure CVS is uptodate for MARC=OFF) |
| 11:34 | kados | right |
| 11:34 | paul | (he told me it was, when I released 2.2.X, and said it was working fine. But I never used it in France) |
| 11:34 | kados | I worked on Biblio.pm a bit over the weekend btw |
| 11:35 | paul: will you be able to make the meeting today? | |
| 11:35 | paul | I saw your work on biblio.pm |
| 11:35 | (although not precisely) | |
| 11:36 | kados | (some on rel_2 some on head) |
| 11:36 | paul | I should be here, but not too long : i awake at 4AM tomorrow morning. |
| 11:36 | kados | (I was able to fix one bug with the MARC editor in rel_2) |
| 11:36 | (but not the other one) | |
| 11:36 | paul | so, if we could have less than 1 hour chat, I would be happy...) |
| 11:36 | kados | ok ... wow quite early |
| 11:36 | I will make sure it is less than an hour | |
| 11:36 | paul | (yep : TGV at 5:29) |
| 11:37 | kados | (so the bug I could not fix: it seems MARChtml2marc saves blank tags/subfields in a MARC record) |
| 11:37 | (in rel_2_2) | |
| 11:38 | (bug I did fix was removing a hardcoded 'a' in addfield) | |
| 11:41 | paul | i'll look carefully at your commit. working on 2.2.6 this afternoon. |
| 11:44 | kados | I did several commits, but had to roll back |
| 11:44 | because my final fix for the bug where blank fields are added | |
| 11:44 | also removed ability for tag repeatability | |
| 11:45 | MARChtml2marc is quite a difficult sub to read :-) | |
| 11:45 | and it uses very old MARC::Record techniques | |
| 11:46 | paul: (one more thing to note: MARC::File::XML now automatically converts from MARC-8 to UTF-8) | |
| 11:46 | paul | wow ! great ! |
| 11:46 | kados | paul: (don't know if you saw my commit note to my changes to head Biblio.om) |
| 11:46 | paul | (we will be able to get rid with this char_decode in Biblio.pm) |
| 11:46 | kados | already done in head :-) |
| 11:46 | paul | not really, i just saw you commited something ! |
| 11:47 | a question, about utf8 : yoyu told me to check the locale env variable. | |
| 11:47 | how to do this, and how to change it | |
| 11:49 | kados | paul: gentoo howto: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_C[…]-8_enabled_system |
| 11:50 | paul: btw: did you see my utf-8 enabled demo? | |
| 11:50 | paul | which one ? no |
| 11:51 | kados | http://opac.liblime.com |
| 11:51 | search for 'cheng' | |
| 11:51 | you will see two chinese utf-8 records | |
| 11:52 | cataloged using Koha's MARC editor | |
| 11:52 | paul | works fine (+ nice books, I've read them last week) |
| 11:52 | kados | hehe |
| 11:52 | paul | :-D |
| 11:52 | you made something specific to previous cvs code ? | |
| 11:53 | kados | only change I made was to <meta> tag in templates |
| 11:53 | paul | and you have an utf8 linux ? |
| 11:53 | kados | http://koha.liblime.com/cgi-bi[…]admin/branches.pl |
| 11:53 | also note the Chinese branch | |
| 11:54 | paul | ok, so the problem is really a locale one :-( |
| 11:54 | so many time lost for this... | |
| 11:54 | kados | no |
| 11:54 | I don't know what the problem is in head | |
| 11:54 | in rel_2_2 it seems to just work | |
| 11:54 | if you change the <meta> tag | |
| 11:54 | in templates | |
| 11:54 | but in head, I still can't get it working | |
| 11:55 | (even though <meta> tags are already changed to use utf-8) | |
| 11:55 | paul | mmm... really poor : the only change is in table encoding in mysql |
| 11:55 | kados | I wonder if that's the problem |
| 11:55 | paul | is your system utf8 ready ? |
| 11:55 | (utf8 enabled I mean) | |
| 11:55 | kados | I haven't checked |
| 11:55 | yes, all utf-8: | |
| 11:55 | [rootgandalf C4]# locale |
|
| 11:55 | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 | |
| 11:56 | LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" | |
| 11:56 | LC_NUMERIC="en_US.UTF-8" | |
| 11:56 | LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" | |
| 11:56 | LC_COLLATE="en_US.UTF-8" | |
| 11:56 | LC_MONETARY="en_US.UTF-8" | |
| 11:56 | etc. | |
| 11:56 | it's Fedora Core 3 | |
| 11:56 | ooh, interesting | |
| 11:56 | on my debian box (which is where HEAD is) | |
| 11:56 | paul | my locale is fr_FR |
| 11:56 | kados | koha$ locale |
| 11:56 | LANG=en_US | |
| 11:56 | LC_CTYPE="en_US" | |
| 11:56 | LC_NUMERIC="en_US" | |
| 11:56 | etc. | |
| 11:57 | so the problem could be locale | |
| 11:57 | paul | hehe... it seems we have something very interesting... |
| 11:57 | kados | yep :-) |
| 11:57 | or it could be mysql table encoding :-) | |
| 11:57 | http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.s[…]n-utf8/howto.html | |
| 11:57 | for debian | |
| 12:30 | Flash | Anyone able to answer an LDAP issue? |
| 12:35 | paul | could be possible. |
| 12:35 | Hello Flash. | |
| 12:39 | Flash | I have a SuSe 9/Apache2 setup with the web server using LDAP authentication. |
| 12:39 | For the most part it works, but I get an error on some pages when I login to Koha. | |
| 12:40 | I have a member in Koha with the username of mwflach. | |
| 12:41 | That user is in LDAP. | |
| 12:41 | paul | you mean you have ldap auth for Koha itelf of for apache ? |
| 12:41 | Flash | I have not done anything to Koha with regards to LDAP. If I enter my ldap username and password I am allowed into Koha. |
| 12:42 | The problem it that some pages don't work and it doesn't recognize me as a superlibrarian. | |
| 12:43 | paul | you mean OPAC or librarian interface ? |
| 12:43 | Flash | librarian. |
| 12:43 | paul | because in librarian interface you MUST be auth to login |
| 12:43 | sometihng I don't understand here... | |
| 12:43 | Flash | ? |
| 12:44 | paul | which version of Koha do you use ? |
| 12:44 | 2.2.5 ? | |
| 12:44 | Flash | Yes. |
| 12:44 | paul | if you did nothing specific, then you must identify yourself to be able to login into librarian interface. |
| 12:45 | otherwise, you should just get a login screen. | |
| 12:45 | what error do you get exactly ? | |
| 12:45 | an apache error ? | |
| 12:45 | what appears in your log ? | |
| 12:46 | Flash | It looks like Koha acknowleged that I was authenticated via LDAP, because I was able to get in and the "Logged in as:" showes my username. |
| 12:46 | paul | mmm... |
| 12:46 | Flash | Koha does not display a login page |
| 12:47 | paul | what says Koha >> parameter >> sytempreferences >> admin >> insecure ? |
| 12:47 | (should say "yes", or i don't understand your problem !) | |
| 12:48 | Flash | If I use LDAP auth, I am not able to see the Parameters page. |
| 12:48 | It's just blank. | |
| 12:48 | If I turn off LDAP auth, I get a login page. | |
| 12:49 | If I login as kohaadmin I get everything. | |
| 12:49 | paul | strange behaviour... I don't know where it can come from... |
| 12:50 | auth is done in C4/Auth.pm package, sub chechauth | |
| 12:51 | and it has nothing to do with apache ldap auth... | |
| 12:51 | hello owen & good morning. | |
| 12:51 | owen | Hi |
| 12:51 | Flash | Is there info on how to do LDAP auth in Koha? |
| 12:52 | paul | C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm |
| 12:52 | (modify it to fit your needs & rename it to Auth.pm | |
| 12:52 | ) | |
| 12:53 | you may need some perl package | |
| 12:54 | Flash | I'll take a look at it and see what needs to be done. |
| 12:56 | paul | ok. Just note it's 5PM for me in France, and i wont be here until friday. |
| 12:57 | Flash | Thanks for your help. |
| 12:57 | paul | (and you won't probably find some help from someone else on this subject here) |
| 12:57 | Flash | Not a common issue? |
| 12:57 | paul | ldap is not a common feature. |
| 12:57 | I know only 3 libraries using it | |
| 12:58 | (none in the US, unless joshua tells something else) | |
| 12:58 | (if needed) | |
| 12:58 | Flash | I found the code and am changing it now. |
| 13:05 | I changed the code, restarted the server and still have the problem. | |
| 13:05 | paul | mmm... what looks strange to me is that koha does nothing with ldap_apache |
| 13:06 | thus I bet it's a apache problem more than a koha one. | |
| 13:06 | Flash | Do you have time for me to explain in more detail? |
| 13:07 | If not, I can wait until Friday or next week. | |
| 13:07 | paul | koha ldap check auth from ldap, creates a koha login (in borrowers sql table) if needed, and give permissions according to Koha specific permissions |
| 13:08 | thus the ldap is used only to Authentify users, not to set their rights. | |
| 13:08 | Flash | Exactly. I believe that is what is going on. |
| 13:09 | But the rights are not being set. | |
| 13:09 | paul | let me know the "error" you get. |
| 13:09 | (if you login with the mysql login/password, it's hardcoded : you can do everything) | |
| 13:09 | it should be used only at the 1st login, to create a "true" borrower, with all librarian permissions. | |
| 13:09 | Flash | I can't login with the mysql login/password because it's not in my LDAP. |
| 13:10 | LDAP auth comes first. | |
| 13:10 | paul | yes, but what i'm missing is why you don't get the login screen. |
| 13:11 | you're enabled by Apache, but NOT by Koha. | |
| 13:11 | Flash | When I go to my server (port 8080) I am prompted by the browser for username and password. |
| 13:11 | paul | you should get a koha login screen |
| 13:11 | Flash | If I enter my LDAP info I am taken to /cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl |
| 13:11 | No login page. | |
| 13:13 | If I select Acquisitions I get a 500 error (Premature end of script headers: acqui-home.pl) | |
| 13:13 | paul | nothing more explicit ? |
| 13:13 | Flash | Catalogue works fine. |
| 13:13 | paul | and if you select something else ? |
| 13:13 | mmm... | |
| 13:14 | I Sendmail perl package is missing. | |
| 13:14 | Flash | Parameters doesn't give an error, it is just blank. |
| 13:14 | paul | maybe Sendmail... |
| 13:14 | Flash | Send mail is not setup on teh server yet. |
| 13:15 | paul | that's it : sendmail perl package is mandatory for acquisition. |
| 13:16 | (as you may have suggestion=ON, and thus mail sent automatically) | |
| 13:16 | Flash | But it wokrs if I login as kohaadmin and turn off LDAP auth. |
| 13:16 | paul | mmm... very strange, you're right, it may not be sendmail.pm missing. |
| 13:17 | kados | note that Mail::Sendmail will work with any mail server |
| 13:18 | ie, exim, postfix, etc. | |
| 13:18 | paul: do you have contact info for pate? | |
| 13:18 | paul | nope. |
| 13:19 | why ? he disappeared from the web ? | |
| 13:19 | (eylerfamily.org is down?) | |
| 13:19 | kados | last I checked |
| 13:19 | paul | you're right |
| 13:20 | (who is @pate_lurk ?) | |
| 13:20 | kados | is he on? |
| 13:20 | huh | |
| 13:20 | guess so | |
| 13:20 | pate-lurk: you around? | |
| 13:21 | paul | right. Seems to be alway here. |
| 13:21 | (probably a bot) | |
| 13:21 | Flash | Paul, I can give you access to our librarian interface if you need to. |
| 13:22 | see what is happening. | |
| 13:22 | paul | would be useless probably, I would just see what you describe :-( |
| 13:22 | (and is clear) | |
| 13:22 | Flash | ok. |
| 13:22 | paul | my bet is that there is something in apache that I don't understand. |
| 13:22 | and make koha fail. but what ? | |
| 13:23 | kados | so what's going on Flash? |
| 13:25 | Flash | I can't believe it's Apache because the LDAP auth is working just fine with other applications. |
| 13:25 | kados | so what's going on? |
| 13:25 | paul | I don't mean it's apache the culprit. I just think apache_ldap does something that perl/koha don't understand and support (and i don't know what) |
| 13:29 | so, let's bug hime on the chanel... | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:29 | everybody beeps pate-lurk !!!!!! = where can you be reach ??? | |
| 13:30 | should be enough, sorry for inconvenience. | |
| 13:30 | kados | hehe |
| 13:31 | Flash | It looks like Koha recognizes that I'm authenticated but is having problems with rights. |
| 13:33 | kados | Flash: did you set up the permissions for the user? |
| 13:34 | Flash | Yes, the account is mwflach and it has superlibrarian rights. |
| 13:34 | kados | try checking all the boxes, not just superlibrarian |
| 13:36 | Flash | What is interesting is that it allows me to set those flags. |
| 13:36 | All set and no change. | |
| 13:38 | As a basic user, what should I be able to access and what shouldn't I? | |
| 13:40 | OK, here is something else that is strange. | |
| 13:40 | If I login with a user that IS in LDAP but NOT in Koha I can still get in and even add members. | |
| 13:43 | kados | me has never used ldap with Koha |
| 13:43 | so I'm not sure how it differs | |
| 13:44 | I do know that there's a good chance the permissions aren't always set up correctly for every screen | |
| 13:44 | I remember fixing a few of those a while back | |
| 13:44 | I don't think anyone has gone through every module to make sure the permissions are correct | |
| 13:49 | Flash | Why does it let me in if the username is not in Koha? |
| 13:49 | kados | I thought you had ldap set up |
| 13:50 | Flash | I do, but the username is not in Koha. |
| 14:03 | kados | you mean the ldap user? |
| 15:02 | |hdl| | kados ? |
| 15:05 | kados | |hdl|: yep, I'm here |
| 15:05 | |hdl| | So I need your absolution for my absence. |
| 15:06 | for 3.0 | |
| 15:07 | A first commit tonight for administration panel. | |
| 15:07 | Second commit to come for scripts. | |
| 15:09 | kados | |hdl|: yay! |
| 15:09 | I absolve you :-) | |
| 15:09 | bbiab | |
| 15:10 | |hdl| | Bon appetit :D |
| 15:35 | thd | paul: are you still seeking an address for pate-lurk? |
| 16:44 | chris | morning |
| 16:45 | owen | Hi chris |
| 16:47 | chris | heya owen, hows things? |
| 16:48 | owen | Pretty good. Busybusybusy. |
| 16:48 | chris | right, know that feeling :) |
| 16:48 | starting to warm up over there now? | |
| 16:50 | owen | Not much |
| 16:51 | Probably not really for another month or so...although the winter's been really weird. | |
| 16:51 | Warm and cold and warm and cold. | |
| 16:51 | chris | yeah it was like that when i was over, freezing when i first arrived, then really mild over christmas |
| 16:51 | owen | Snowed this morning, supposed to be in the 50's (F) tomorrow. |
| 16:51 | chris | weird |
| 16:52 | ohh spam from mexican hotels | |
| 16:52 | thats a new one | |
| 16:55 | paul_True | hello world ! |
| 16:55 | thd | paul2: are you still seeking an address for pate-lurk? |
| 16:56 | paul2 | not me, it was joshua |
| 16:56 | thd | paul2: I read backwards |
| 16:56 | paul2 | (he should be here in a few minuts, as we have the monday meeting in 5 min) |
| 16:59 | thd | paul: what do MARC subfield structure links actually do in the user interface? Do they extend the field/subfield pairs searched from '...' links in the OPAC? |
| 17:00 | chris | hi paul, hi thd |
| 17:00 | thd | hello chris |
| 17:01 | paul | chris : good morning to you |
| 17:02 | thd : i'm not sure atm, but I think yes | |
| 17:04 | thd | paul: I had presumed that subfield structure links extend the indexes searched from '...' links in the same way that subfield structure see also field/subfield pairs extended the standard fielded search form boxes. I was seeking confirmation or correction of my presumption. |
| 17:05 | Is there an agenda for today's meeting? | |
| 17:06 | paul | baby requires some water. |
| 17:06 | back soon | |
| 17:07 | back | |
| 17:08 | you're right thd : the ... search on 2 directions : | |
| 17:08 | * in the biblio catalogue, using standard search (including the see also links) | |
| 17:08 | kados | sorry guys, I had to deal with a catestrophic system crash at NPL that turned out to be just a CPU fan (whew!) |
| 17:08 | paul | * search in the authority catalogue, using an authority search (to find rejected forms) |
| 17:09 | no prob kados, you're just 7min late ! | |
| 17:09 | kados | didn't have a change to work up an agendo though :-) |
| 17:09 | mainly I would like to talk about how things went last week | |
| 17:09 | paul | NPL fan is more important than us, you're right. |
| 17:09 | kados | with regards to our perl-zoom project |
| 17:10 | and to mention that I think paul and I found the solution to the utf-8 prob | |
| 17:10 | which I now belive is the system locale | |
| 17:10 | richard | morning |
| 17:10 | kados | ie, system local needs to be utf-8 |
| 17:10 | morning richard | |
| 17:10 | thd | paul: I was trying to distinguish between what is labelled as links and labelled as see also, two different subfield constraints for the bibliographic framework. |
| 17:10 | paul | you tried to set locale to utf8 and it worked ? |
| 17:10 | chris | last week i got get_record going, which is a handy little subroutine |
| 17:11 | kados | paul: didn't have a chance, but I will try later today |
| 17:11 | paul | mmm... we should not speak all at ouce... |
| 17:11 | (once) | |
| 17:11 | chris | true |
| 17:11 | kados | hehe, yea |
| 17:11 | ok ... so first things first | |
| 17:11 | perl-zoom | |
| 17:11 | chris: you have the floor | |
| 17:11 | chris | ok, get_record currently takes a biblionumber, and fetches the record from zebra |
| 17:12 | kados | for the detail screen on the OPAC? |
| 17:12 | chris | could be |
| 17:12 | kados | (for anything I guess :-)) |
| 17:12 | chris | or the detail on the marc-detail |
| 17:12 | kados | right |
| 17:12 | hey walter | |
| 17:12 | chris | im going to extend it to take a barcode also |
| 17:13 | mcginniwa | howdy |
| 17:13 | kados | chris: a barcode? |
| 17:13 | chris | yeah so we can use it for circ |
| 17:13 | kados | hmmm ... but barcodes aren't record-level in Koha |
| 17:13 | paul | (we could even extend this to itemcallnumber, as they can be unique for some libraries) |
| 17:14 | chris | given a barcode it hands you back everything it knows about that item |
| 17:14 | kados | I see |
| 17:14 | chris | yes, and itemcallnumber could work too |
| 17:14 | kados | how will it know where the barcode is stored? koha->marc mappings? |
| 17:15 | chris | yep, something will have to tell it where to look, it could be that |
| 17:15 | kados | any other perl-zoom news? |
| 17:15 | chris | or we could do it in a .abs file and add an entry in the pqf file |
| 17:15 | paul | chris ++ |
| 17:15 | kados | right, that'd be cool |
| 17:15 | thd | chris: an extendable option to take other standard numbers for all copies with a standard number such as ISBN would be useful everywhere barcode might be used. |
| 17:16 | chris | you could/can just use the search routine in Search.pm with isbns |
| 17:16 | kados | yep |
| 17:16 | chris | get_record should only ever return one result |
| 17:16 | thd | chris: I mean for admin |
| 17:17 | kados | I have some news ... |
| 17:17 | with chris's help I made some commits to Biblio.pm and Context.pm | |
| 17:17 | as well as bulkmarcimport.pl | |
| 17:17 | there is now a Context for the Zconn | |
| 17:18 | so from within a module you can go: | |
| 17:18 | $Zconn = C4::Context->Zconn | |
| 17:18 | it will check if there is an existing connection | |
| 17:18 | and if not, create a new one, check it, and hand it back | |
| 17:19 | Biblio.pm and SearchMarc.pm (and Search.pm) have been converted to this new method | |
| 17:19 | chris | i have koha head running under mod_perl and this seems to be working great |
| 17:19 | kados | excelletn |
| 17:19 | chris | (the context) |
| 17:19 | its not making new connects | |
| 17:19 | kados | I also modified bulkmarcimport to allow specification of 'number' of records to import |
| 17:19 | as well as 'number of records before a comit operation' | |
| 17:20 | thd | kados: was that not an existing option? |
| 17:20 | kados | thd: (not in head) |
| 17:20 | it defaults to 50, but I"ve tried it with 1000 and it works nicely | |
| 17:20 | I guess I should also mention I committed 'shadow registers' in usmarc's zebra.cfg | |
| 17:20 | chris | do you get a speed increase? |
| 17:21 | kados | paul: you may want to check that option out |
| 17:21 | I didn't time it, but I will | |
| 17:21 | chris | cool |
| 17:21 | thd | kados: I assume the default will be all records in the file when finished. |
| 17:21 | kados | this server crash pretty much tore my day apart :-) |
| 17:21 | thd: why? | |
| 17:21 | chris | they will do that :-) |
| 17:22 | thd | kados: that is current behaviour in rel_2_2 |
| 17:22 | kados | I also have a bit of news about rel_2_2 |
| 17:22 | specifically the MARC editor | |
| 17:22 | I fixed a bug where there was a hardcoded value for the first subfield in a repeated tag | |
| 17:23 | hey tim | |
| 17:23 | tim | hey kados |
| 17:23 | kados | chris and I also hacked on the bug where blank subfields are saved in the MARC editor |
| 17:24 | and chris thinks he may have solved that one ... so kudos to chris there | |
| 17:24 | chris | maybe |
| 17:24 | i could have just made it worse | |
| 17:24 | :) | |
| 17:24 | kados | I'll test it this afternoon as soon as I get back to my office |
| 17:24 | chris | we'll have to test and see |
| 17:24 | tim: i hear congratulations are in order :) | |
| 17:25 | kados | yep, suppose we should announce also that Tim's library, the West Liberty Public Library went live with Koha today |
| 17:26 | thd | congratulations tim |
| 17:26 | russ | woo congrats tim |
| 17:26 | thd | I have made some discoveries while preparing a comprehensive MARC 21 bibliographic framework. |
| 17:26 | mcginniwa | cool |
| 17:27 | paul | about the hardcoded value & blank subfield : i'll have a close look. |
| 17:28 | kados | yep, WLPL is actually the second public library in the US to switch to Koha |
| 17:28 | paul: great ... | |
| 17:28 | paul | how large is it ? |
| 17:29 | amanda | hello |
| 17:29 | kados | paul: about 20,000 records |
| 17:29 | amanda | thought I would join in on your weekly meetings and just listen in |
| 17:30 | thd | welcome amanda |
| 17:30 | paul | of course you can, amanda |
| 17:30 | thd | I have been documenting common field uses outside the strict prescribed MARC 21 standard. |
| 17:30 | paul | welcome here |
| 17:30 | amanda | thank you everyone |
| 17:32 | chris | ok, any other news from last week? |
| 17:32 | thd | As everyone already knew, many local use fields are used by large established groups so that what is actually available for non-interfering local use is a subset of local use fields. |
| 17:32 | kados | thd: how's the new MARC framework coming? |
| 17:33 | paul | I have some news too. |
| 17:33 | kados | go ahead paul |
| 17:33 | thd | kados: I am most of the way through but I explain one problem now. |
| 17:33 | paul | OK |
| 17:33 | The 1st news concern ppl | |
| 17:34 | * Pierrick, the new ineo guy that will work on Koha, begins on wednesday. I'll meet him un thursday at Ineo in Paris | |
| 17:34 | kados | nice |
| 17:34 | paul | * We can count on Antoine between march, 20 up to May 20. He will work on a new XUL MARC editor. |
| 17:35 | (100% sure except if it's school refuses. But no reason to occur) | |
| 17:35 | kados | woohoo! |
| 17:35 | chris | excellent news |
| 17:35 | about both people | |
| 17:35 | paul | + he should work with me 1 or 2 months during our summer |
| 17:35 | (july/August, maybe september) | |
| 17:36 | yes chris ? | |
| 17:36 | chris | sorry paul, i meant excellent news about both of them |
| 17:36 | paul | ok. |
| 17:36 | chris | (hit return to soon :-)) |
| 17:36 | kados | great news paul |
| 17:37 | paul | A news i've submitted to koha-devel already : I have some code from Tümer |
| 17:37 | that i'll include ASAP in HEAD : | |
| 17:37 | * holiday management | |
| 17:37 | kados | yes, saw that ... very exciting ! |
| 17:37 | paul | * basic news management on OPAC. |
| 17:37 | thd | paul: does Antoine not want to devote his life to Koha? :) |
| 17:37 | chris | yay for holiday management |
| 17:37 | paul | maybe he will. but he's still a student for at least 1 year after this one. |
| 17:38 | but very very interested by Open Source. | |
| 17:38 | kados | very cool |
| 17:38 | paul | so, if my business still grows, I may send him a proposal in a year or 2 ;-) |
| 17:38 | chris | :-) |
| 17:38 | paul | about holiday management : it relies probably on Date::Manip, so i'll have to clean many things. |
| 17:38 | last note about Tümer code : | |
| 17:39 | I thanked him for a new Inventory script. | |
| 17:39 | chris | ah yes, i used that message to answer someone on the koha list |
| 17:39 | paul | ... but hdl remind me I asked him to write such a script, and it's already in rel_2_2 |
| 17:39 | it will be in 2.2.6 | |
| 17:40 | chris | wooo |
| 17:40 | thd | paul: What is different about the new script? |
| 17:40 | chris | could you follow up my email then paul, and say that |
| 17:40 | paul | ??? |
| 17:40 | chris | i was answering marie wardall |
| 17:40 | i think i told her it will be in 3.0 | |
| 17:40 | paul | (on koha mailing list ?) |
| 17:40 | chris | yes |
| 17:41 | kados | anyone else have news? |
| 17:41 | chris | ah no i didnt |
| 17:41 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]/2006/009735.html | |
| 17:41 | thats what i said | |
| 17:41 | paul | I don't read it carefully, i'll check |
| 17:41 | russ | paul: we have been making some progress with the serials subscription interface |
| 17:41 | i have some mock ups | |
| 17:42 | kados | chris can you take over for me? |
| 17:42 | chris | ok, russ, show us your mockups |
| 17:42 | kados | chris: I've got to head out for a bit |
| 17:42 | chris | ok kados |
| 17:42 | russ | ack |
| 17:42 | kados | thx |
| 17:42 | russ | gallery died on me |
| 17:42 | thd | paul:How does the new inventory script differ from the old one? |
| 17:42 | russ | but we have it workin in a dev koha which is better |
| 17:43 | paul: if you have time after wards i'd like to show you | |
| 17:43 | paul | russ : ok, i'll take some minuts to take a look |
| 17:43 | russ | basically it is an interface to populate the x y z formula thing |
| 17:44 | another bit of news, a crew in toronto jigtechnologies have asked if we can add them to the pay for support page on the koha site | |
| 17:44 | paul | thd : the NEW inventory script takes a file, populated by barcodes scanned from a laptop, and mark all of the items as "seen". |
| 17:44 | thd | very good russ, that was very much needed |
| 17:44 | russ | they have been working with Koha for a couple of years |
| 17:44 | chris | has anyone had any contact with them? |
| 17:44 | russ | Shawn Bedard |
| 17:44 | and | |
| 17:44 | David Capredoni | |
| 17:45 | been working with Alliance | |
| 17:45 | > Française de Toronto[2;2~ | |
| 17:46 | paul | (I had some contact with AF from Vancouver2 1/2 years ago) |
| 17:46 | some news from 2.2.6 : | |
| 17:46 | * i've checked the new serialadditems systempref, it works nicely | |
| 17:46 | chris | russ: maybe we could ask for some more info, some urls etc and then decide |
| 17:46 | paul | you now can ask Koha to create an item on the fly |
| 17:46 | chris | i dont have any problem in principle |
| 17:47 | paul: excellent | |
| 17:47 | paul | chris ++ And I think it could be useful to explain who is involved in Koha team, and who just sell services. |
| 17:47 | russ | ok sorted gallery : http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/ko[…]cription_1?full=1 |
| 17:47 | there are 3 images | |
| 17:47 | we have the first part of this working in our clients dev koha | |
| 17:48 | chris | paul: good point |
| 17:48 | paul | russ : wow, very nice. |
| 17:48 | richard | yes it is a good distinction to have |
| 17:49 | thd | Did anyone ever contact gokoha.cm ? |
| 17:49 | paul | (+ I like the 11 issues on a monthly serial) |
| 17:49 | thd | s/cm/com/ |
| 17:49 | paul | about 2.2.6 (to end with this topic) : |
| 17:49 | chris | thd: im not sure |
| 17:50 | i didnt | |
| 17:50 | paul | * i've checked Amazon.com feature & included it in CSS templates (although this feature is illegal in France) |
| 17:50 | * I'm checking what hdl added to acquisition (to reciepts) but I think it will be very usefull | |
| 17:51 | chris | cool |
| 17:51 | paul | recieves should be highly more clear. |
| 17:51 | Flash just appears in the middle of a developper meeting ;-) | |
| 17:51 | chris | more clear is good |
| 17:51 | thd | paul: why is it illegal if there is a similar web services form Amazon.fr? |
| 17:52 | paul | that's all about 2.2.6. Nothing to say about HEAD, except what stated previously (Tumer code) |
| 17:52 | thd : i'm not sure amazon.fr has the similar web service. | |
| 17:52 | even if it has, it's illegal in France. Let me explain our law | |
| 17:52 | we don't have the "fair use" concept. | |
| 17:53 | thd | paul: do you merely mean that some types of libraries are not allowed to link to commercial entities? |
| 17:53 | paul | we just have the "small excerpt for studying purpose" and the "private copy use" |
| 17:53 | and the cover page from a book is NOT considered as a small excerpt | |
| 17:53 | but as a major part of the book. | |
| 17:54 | thd | paul: Amazon does not provide that from fair use. |
| 17:54 | kados | interesting |
| 17:54 | paul | thus, it's considered as a copy to show the image in a public webservice |
| 17:54 | you have to ask the editor for permission. | |
| 17:54 | kados | yea, I don't think amazon provides it as fair use |
| 17:54 | it's a service provided specifically for linking back to their site | |
| 17:54 | thd | paul: Amazon has been granted most cover images under license from the publisher. |
| 17:54 | kados | ie, if you use their image, you must link back to Amazon.com somewhere |
| 17:55 | paul | kados : where, from amazon.com can you get info to ask for Amazonservice ? |
| 17:55 | kados | which is good for us since we like the 'read inside' |
| 17:55 | paul | I could search in amazon.fr and ask them. |
| 17:55 | kados | paul: I contacted amazon directly to ask if my use of their web serivces was ok |
| 17:55 | and they said it was exactly what they created web services for | |
| 17:56 | paul | how : mail address ? phone call ? |
| 17:56 | kados | I wrote via email |
| 17:56 | paul | how did you find the email address ? |
| 17:56 | thd | paul: Publishers are often now giving away cover images of new books in ONYX files. |
| 17:56 | kados | paul: hang on ... I'll see if I can find it |
| 17:57 | thd | paul: along with tables of contents |
| 17:57 | paul | gotcha : http://partenaires.amazon.fr/g[…]ef=amb%5Flink%5F6 |
| 17:58 | chris | so thats 2.2.x finished .. anything more about 3.0 ? |
| 17:58 | thd | paul: Other companies also license image and contents content for which they charge a fee. |
| 17:58 | yes | |
| 17:59 | As everyone already knew, many local use fields are used by large established groups so that what is actually available for non-interfering local use is a subset of local use fields. | |
| 17:59 | kados | thd: right |
| 17:59 | paul | do you remind this login script : |
| 17:59 | https://partenaires.amazon.fr/[…]2-6434233-5948112 | |
| 17:59 | chris | k thd |
| 17:59 | kados | paul: ? |
| 17:59 | paul | (it's the page to register) |
| 18:00 | thd | koha wants to be in as many libraries as possible without interfering with reserved uses of fields. |
| 18:00 | kados | paul: (I had to register to get a developer's key as well as an associates' key) |
| 18:00 | thd | 090 is reserved for local copy information in RLIN |
| 18:01 | kados | thd: (but it was a while ago, so I don't remember the whole process) |
| 18:01 | thd: using 001 as the link to biblio.biblionumber seems to work just fine | |
| 18:01 | thd | paul: registration is free and automatic |
| 18:01 | chris | what is RLIN ? |
| 18:02 | kados | thd: so I propose 001 be the default in 3.0 |
| 18:02 | thd | RLIN is the second largest library network in the world |
| 18:02 | chris | what the R stand for? |
| 18:02 | paul | kados : the registration want you to fill the name of the personn that will recieve payements when you earn money through amazon partnership ? |
| 18:03 | kados | paul: correct, it should be the library who you are signing up |
| 18:03 | thd | kados: 090 holds more than merely the record identifier in Koha |
| 18:03 | kados | it does? |
| 18:03 | paul: (or for testing, you can use yourself) | |
| 18:04 | thd: do you happen to know if unimarc non-filing characters are the same as marc21? | |
| 18:04 | thd | chris: I have never fathomed that abbreviation except that R is for research. RLIN is from the Research Libraries Group. |
| 18:05 | chris | thanks thd |
| 18:05 | kados | thd: ie, held in the same indicator |
| 18:05 | thd | kados: I do not remember how UNIMARC treats that but it is similar at least. |
| 18:05 | kados | cause that's the other big news for 2.2 I forgot to mention |
| 18:06 | I committed MARC non-filing characters support | |
| 18:06 | thd | horaay |
| 18:07 | paul | kados : I confirm what thd says. |
| 18:07 | I think it should work fine for unimarc as well | |
| 18:07 | kados | great!@ |
| 18:07 | paul | (although it's really a dirty hack from a perf pov) |
| 18:07 | kados | (yes, quite bad) |
| 18:07 | I really must go | |
| 18:07 | chris | ok i think we are pretty much done now anyway |
| 18:07 | paul | ok, so I'll leave to |
| 18:07 | to go to bed. | |
| 18:08 | chris | thanks for being here everyone |
| 18:08 | paul | because I wake up at 4AM (6 hours) |
| 18:08 | thd | I suggest that we consider moving 090 even in 2.2.X if nothing for 090 is hardcoded. |
| 18:08 | chris | lets hope this week is as productive as last week |
| 18:08 | thd | paul: stay a moment |
| 18:08 | russ | paul i'll send you an email |
| 18:08 | sounds like you need to get some sleep | |
| 18:08 | thd | paul: is there 090 harcoding? |
| 18:09 | paul | not at all. |
| 18:09 | I have some libraries with biblionumber in 001 ! | |
| 18:09 | 090 was choosen "randomly" | |
| 18:09 | thd | paul: Do you have objections to moving 090 to a less interfering place? |
| 18:09 | paul | none. |
| 18:10 | it's just a set up. | |
| 18:10 | I won't change my libraries using 090 | |
| 18:10 | Flash | All, can I but in and ask an LDAP question? |
| 18:10 | paul | but I won't tell you that you must use it mandatory ! |
| 18:10 | thd | paul: I was actually proposing to change existing libraries |
| 18:10 | paul | why ? |
| 18:11 | Flash : you can ask, but not sure you'll get an answer ! | |
| 18:11 | (because I really want to go to bed. It's 10PM in France) | |
| 18:11 | chris | you might have better luck asking on the koha-devel or the main koha mailing list flash |
| 18:12 | lots more people will see the question that way :) | |
| 18:12 | thd | pual: Merel;y so my comprehensive MARC 21 bibliographic framework could document the popular RLIN use of 090. |
| 18:12 | paul | chris ++ |
| 18:13 | Flash | Thanks. Is there a FAQ for LDAP? |
| 18:13 | paul | what you're suggesting is to have a DEFAULT marc21 framework that uses 001 instead of 90 |
| 18:13 | Flash | Or a setup doc? |
| 18:13 | paul | Flash : i'm afraid not. only Auth_with_ldap.pm |
| 18:13 | chris | not that i know of, you can have a hunt around ta http://www.kohadocs.org |
| 18:13 | Flash | That's what I'm using now. |
| 18:14 | thd | paul: no merely to move it to 099 or somewhere that is not in popular use. |
| 18:14 | paul | + some discussions once on koha of koha-devel |
| 18:14 | no problem to me. and that don't require french libraries to change anything ! | |
| 18:14 | Flash | Thanks Paul. |
| 18:14 | paul | (even for future one) |
| 18:15 | thd | paul: I intend to ask widely about what the safe local use fields are and document the popular uses of local use fields. |
| 18:16 | paul | no problem, afai see |
| 18:16 | ok, guys, unless someone has something to add, I go to bed. | |
| 18:17 | you have 10 secs ! | |
| 18:17 | thd | paul: Toward that end, I would appreciate any documentation that you can obtain for SUDOC holdings, and any other local use field uses that you can find even if they really only apply to UNIMARC. |
| 18:17 | paul | ok, i'll try to find some. drop me a mail (to avoid that i forget) |
| 18:17 | thd | paul: ask the INEO people if you would please |
| 18:19 | thanks paul | |
| 18:24 | chris is the meeting now adjourned? | |
| 18:24 | chris | yep |
| 18:24 | its time for lamingtons and tea | |
| 18:25 | russ | hmm lamingtons |
| 18:25 | thd | what are lamintons? |
| 18:25 | s/lamintons/lamingtons/ | |
| 18:26 | owen | "A chocolate coated cube of sponge cake, rolled in desiccated coconut; usually served with whipped cream and afternoon tea." |
| 18:26 | russ | a type of sponge cake |
| 18:26 | owen | ? |
| 18:26 | russ | bang on owen |
| 18:26 | owen | http://www.inmamaskitchen.com/[…]sfoodarticle.html |
| 18:26 | russ | normally come in two flavours brown and red |
| 18:26 | where brown is supposdly chocolate | |
| 18:27 | and red is supposedly a berry fruit of some kind | |
| 18:27 | thd | russ: make mine berry fruit please |
| 18:28 | russ: I never understood the great attraction of chocolate | |
| 18:28 | chris | its not really chocolate .. its ummm brown flavour |
| 18:29 | tastes good though:) | |
| 18:30 | thd | I prefer the brown flavour of bread to the brown flavour of chocolate |
| 18:31 | I shall imagine my preferred brown flavour :) | |
| 18:43 | kados | sorry I had to jet |
| 18:44 | bunch of busy work at NPL to do | |
| 18:49 | mcginniwa | ciao |
| 18:49 | i'm off too | |
| 18:50 | owen | wb kados. Since you left we mostly talked about dessert. |
| 18:51 | kados | hehe |
| 18:52 | owen | They've heard about those softies over at Liblime |
| 18:53 | kados | I must get at least one of these every week |
| 18:53 | "I have contacted some services that sell their software and they stated they give a 50% discount to churches." | |
| 18:53 | my reply should be something like: | |
| 18:54 | "actually, we charge churches 50% more" :-) | |
| 21:34 | thd: you around? | |
| 21:37 | Jo | Russ: you about? |
| 21:48 | richard | jo: i think he is in a meeting in town |
| 23:07 | kados | with perl-zoom |
| 23:26 | Jo | Russ: are you back yet |
| 02:54 | russ2 | rosa? |
| 04:57 | osmoze | hello |
| 04:58 | chris | hi osmoze |
| 06:28 | osmoze | there is anybody for helping on apache2 conf and virtualHost ? |
| 06:37 | i ve 3 virtual host. When i start with a2enssite one, it's ok, but when i try the second, there is only end always the first that response | |
| 06:37 | an idea ? | |
| 06:45 | chris | do you have a NameVirtualHost line? |
| 06:46 | eg | |
| 06:46 | NameVirtualHost opac.something | |
| 06:46 | <VirtualHost opac.something> | |
| 06:46 | ... | |
| 06:46 | </VirtualHost> | |
| 06:47 | <VirtualHost koha.something> | |
| 06:47 | ... | |
| 06:47 | </VirtualHost> | |
| 06:50 | osmoze | NamevirtualHost for each site ? |
| 06:50 | chris | just one NameVirtualHost should do it |
| 06:51 | osmoze | ok, i rewrite my conf ^^ |
| 06:59 | chris : i have this probleme when apache2 -t : | |
| 07:00 | VirtualHost intra.koha.homelinux.org:0 overlaps with VirtualHost php.koha.homelinux.org:0, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive | |
| 07:00 | chris | there we go |
| 07:00 | osmoze | my namevitualhost is koha.homelinux.org (opac) |
| 07:00 | chris | try NameVirtualHost php.koha.homelinux.org |
| 07:01 | (you can have both) | |
| 07:07 | osmoze | ok, it's ok for apache2 -t but it's the same probleme for response |
| 07:08 | chris | hmm, darn |
| 07:29 | osmoze | yes, it's ok for me |
| 07:29 | chris, i solved, it's NameVirtualHost | |
| 07:29 | * | |
| 07:29 | NameVirtualHost * | |
| 07:29 | and VirtualHost * | |
| 07:30 | and a good servername and it work | |
| 07:30 | many thanks | |
| 09:52 | |hdl|> t es par la ? | |
| 10:40 | |hdl| | osmoze : oui |
| 10:44 | kados | hi all |
| 10:44 | paul is in Pari today no? :-) |
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