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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 14:32 | thd | kados: are you present? |
| 14:33 | kados | thd: I'm here |
| 14:33 | thd: you scared off paul :-) | |
| 14:33 | thd | kados: I tend to do that :) |
| 14:33 | kados | heh |
| 14:34 | paul_away | no, it's just that it's 6:30, and time to go back home |
| 14:34 | thd | kados: you had a question a few days ago but maybe it was about misconfigured z39.50? |
| 14:34 | paul_away | but hello thd & kados. |
| 14:34 | & read you tomorrow if you're around | |
| 14:34 | kados | thd: that's fixed |
| 14:35 | paul_away: ok ... another light meeting then :-) | |
| 14:35 | thd | kados: I saw that you fixed that |
| 14:35 | good evening paul | |
| 14:35 | paul: will you be at the meeting today? | |
| 16:01 | kados | T-MINUS 1 MINUTE TO ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING |
| 16:01 | if anyone is around | |
| 16:01 | sorry ... this weeks announcement went out _way_ too late | |
| 16:01 | and I don't think we have that much to discuss | |
| 16:02 | if anyone has news to share, please do | |
| 16:02 | thd | Is chris here? |
| 16:04 | kados: I have done more work with z39.50 clients and character sets. | |
| 16:05 | kados | cool |
| 16:05 | thd | kados: There is an odd issue where the page can have only one overall character set yet it may draw upon multiple sources. |
| 16:05 | kados | want to elaborate? |
| 16:07 | thd | kados: It seems to require a test to see whether it can be converted into ISO-8859 for the browser or must be returned in UTF-8 because the characters cannot be translated. |
| 16:08 | kados: I am continuing my earlier work in PHP and will port to Perl after asking Mike some questions. | |
| 16:10 | kados: At least if I stay in PHP for now I will avoid the problems that afflict the early stage of Perl Zoom to just have a functional test. | |
| 16:12 | kados: Other issues are the need to set targets on a per session basis, as appropriate to the material being catalogued. | |
| 16:15 | kados: I think people need to have more frequent reminders of a weekly Koha 3 devel meeting that demonstrates the importance or it may be just you and I next time as well. | |
| 16:16 | kados: An announcement ought to signify the value of such meetings else they may be ignored. | |
| 16:17 | kados: are we alone with logbot? | |
| 16:18 | kados | looks like it :-) |
| 16:18 | 's ok ... not much to discuss this week | |
| 16:18 | I'll make sure to announce next weeks meeting well in advance | |
| 16:19 | thd | kados: I am sure there would be things to discuss if there were people here to discuss them :) |
| 16:20 | kados: People are liable to have something more important to do unless you make a persuasive case for the value of a weekly Koha 3 devel meeting. | |
| 16:22 | kados: I think the presence of an agenda helps signify the importance but I know that is more work for you :) | |
| 16:22 | kados | yep, I'll definitely do an agenda for next week |
| 16:31 | thd | kados: Do you know Eric Begin in Montreal, he registered gokoha.com? |
| 16:31 | kados | nope |
| 16:33 | thd | kados: hdl had asked about what gokoha.com was on the koha-devel list. |
| 16:40 | kados: Oh, I left out the important bit. Automated preferred record selection from multiple targets possibly followed by record building from multiple targets. | |
| 16:41 | kados: I should just finish the message I started to send you months ago about that. | |
| 16:42 | kados | yea, do that :-) |
| 16:42 | thd | kados: Automated preferred record selection is not especially difficult if the tests are simple. |
| 16:42 | kados | or send the partial message :-) |
| 16:43 | or I may die of old age before seeing the solution :-) | |
| 16:43 | thd | kados: Even partial is long enough. You might see an implementation before a description ;) |
| 16:46 | Is the meeting between kados, thd, and logbot adjourned? | |
| 16:48 | kados | heh |
| 16:48 | I'd say so | |
| 16:48 | you're free to go about your business :-) | |
| 16:50 | thd | kados: just to be clear, as I have not sent the partial message yet, proper automated record selection, and certainly record merging is too big a task for Koha 3.0. |
| 16:51 | kados: Automated record merging needs funding like everything else in the world :) | |
| 21:28 | kados | chris around? |
| 21:29 | chris | yep |
| 21:29 | kados | chris: you should be able to nab some MARC records from koha.liblime.com |
| 21:29 | chris | but without items attached? |
| 21:29 | i wonder how i get some with item info | |
| 21:29 | kados | ahh ... you need items |
| 21:29 | k | |
| 21:29 | I'll see what I can dig up | |
| 21:29 | chris | excellent thanks |
| 21:29 | kados | might not have _just_ 100 :-) |
| 21:29 | chris | 2 will do :) |
| 21:30 | ./test.pl | |
| 21:30 | <usmarc><020>< ><a>0028614755</a></ ></020><245>< ><a>The age of fable</a></ ></245><260>< ><b>Macmillan</b><c>1997</c></ ></260><300>< ><f>BN</f></ ></300><440>< ><a>The illustrated Bulfinch's mythology</a></ ></440><650>< ><a>MYTHOLOGY, CLASSICAL</a></ ></650><700>< ><a>Caselli, Giovanni</a></ ></700><852>< ><k>292.130000</k></ ></852><090>< ><c>3</c><d>3</d></ ></090><952>< ><b>C</b><d>L</d><p>L01826452</p><r>12.82</r><u>63987</u> | |
| 21:30 | my search routine seems to be working ok | |
| 21:37 | kados | nice |
| 21:37 | chris http://liblime.com/ small.mrc | |
| 21:37 | should be about a hundred records there | |
| 21:38 | chris | thanks heaps |
| 21:38 | kados | np |
| 21:38 | ping me if you need the 9XX fields translated | |
| 21:38 | chris | Tue Feb 14 13:34:25 2006] [error] Can't call method "field" on unblessed reference at /usr/local/koha3/intranet/modules//C4/Biblio.pm line 627.\n |
| 21:38 | kados | huh |
| 21:39 | chris | cos im running mod_perl with -T |
| 21:39 | i think its an error in MARC::Record or MARC::File | |
| 21:39 | handing back an unblessed object | |
| 21:39 | or it might be in Biblio.pm | |
| 21:40 | ill find it .. it wont bite ppl unless they are running in taint mode | |
| 21:44 | kados | right |
| 21:44 | chris | at least i think it wont :) |
| 21:44 | kados | :-) |
| 00:19 | audrey | In koha2, a keyword search hunts in which fields? |
| 00:36 | kados: In koha2, a keyword search hunts in which fields? | |
| 00:36 | chris | he'll probably be asleep audrey its gotta be late at night in ohio |
| 00:37 | ill just find out for you | |
| 00:38 | audrey | Thanks! |
| 00:40 | chris | pretty much everything is the answer |
| 00:41 | i think it tries to search the entire record | |
| 00:43 | is there something you think it should be finding that it isnt? | |
| 00:43 | audrey | yes |
| 00:44 | Sandra was having some problems with getting the notes that she was entering into the group notes field to actually stay there. | |
| 00:44 | The notes kept disappearing. | |
| 00:44 | chris | right |
| 00:44 | audrey | Not sure if this is related to bug 3842. |
| 00:45 | chris | i think there is a bug about notes |
| 00:45 | audrey | was going to give it more thought and some tests before reporting it as a bug |
| 00:45 | yeah 3842 is about notes | |
| 00:45 | group notes becoming biblio notes | |
| 00:45 | chris | yep |
| 00:45 | audrey | not sure how that fits in with today's situation |
| 00:45 | chris | what id check |
| 00:48 | thd | audrey: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3842 reports "Bug #3842 does not exist." |
| 00:49 | audrey | it's a katipo bug. does that make a difference? |
| 00:49 | chris | yeah thats the official koha bugzilla |
| 00:49 | it wont show up in there, its in the katipo bugzilla | |
| 00:50 | audrey | sorry about the confusion |
| 00:50 | thd | chris: you have different bugs at Katipo? |
| 00:50 | chris | we sure do |
| 00:50 | its the general katipo bugzilla | |
| 00:50 | not just for koha bugs | |
| 00:51 | for all the work we do | |
| 00:53 | thd | Is this bug unique to non-MARC Koha? |
| 00:53 | audrey | sorry, thd. I thought that I was asking a general question, then I got specific with the situation, which I need to think about |
| 00:53 | chris | its unique to their templates/setup thd at least i think it is |
| 00:54 | if its not, we'll commit the fix to the koha cvs | |
| 00:54 | thd | chris: well I hope it is :) |
| 00:58 | chris: Are you designing searching for MARC Koha for version 3? | |
| 00:58 | chris | working on it yep |
| 01:00 | thd | chris: does a search for author Fred Smith find biblio by Jack Smith and Fred March as joint authors? |
| 01:01 | chris | should it? |
| 01:02 | thd | chris: It does in Koha now, but it should not. |
| 01:03 | chris: However, an index that mushes everything together indiscriminately, as Koha does now, can be much faster. | |
| 01:03 | chris | i dont think it will, its not far enough along to see |
| 01:07 | thd | chris: have you had a chance to look at my proposal for multiple SQL database flavour placeholding code? |
| 01:08 | chris | yep it sounds good in theory |
| 01:08 | i think we have to investigate how we can do it, i think there are ways to make DBI handle most of it for us | |
| 01:09 | thd | chris: There is already some code for DBI but DBI does not address all problems. |
| 01:10 | chris | yep, i have to admit its very low on my priority list |
| 01:10 | but if someone else wants to do it, i have no problems with that | |
| 01:11 | thd | chris: Two problems that complicate DBI are back quotes in MySQL and schemas in Postgres 8. |
| 01:11 | chris | right |
| 01:12 | im happy to let someone who wants to run it on postgres to have a go at doing it :) | |
| 01:13 | thd | chris: The point is not to have it running on Postgres immediately, but to provide a placeholder for less work later. |
| 01:14 | chris | yep good in theory, in practice i probably wont be doing much of it, since i dont plan to have to right much new sql and i wont be touching the existing stuff unless i really have to |
| 01:14 | right=write | |
| 01:14 | thd | chris: If I committed the placeholding code, would you be inclined to use it, ignore it, or do you have an alternate suggestion? |
| 01:15 | chris | i might use it, if it gave no performance degradation and wasnt a huge pile more keystrokes |
| 01:16 | thd | chris: I guess my presumption was wrong about about much SQL being rewritten or newly written for V3. |
| 01:16 | chris | there shouldnt need to be |
| 01:17 | a lot should be going away | |
| 01:17 | and not much new created | |
| 01:17 | as zebra is going to be doing a big pile of stuff instead of sql | |
| 01:18 | thd | chris: keystrokes would involve yanking some lines from the previous use and copying them again. |
| 01:20 | chris: The more important keystrokes are using MySQL back quotes on identifiers so that the SQL does not tread on reserved words that are already or may yet be used in MySQL 5+ | |
| 01:22 | chris | right, im certainly willing to do that |
| 01:23 | thd | chris: yes, with zebra doing much of the work it should be easy to apply something to the newly introduced or changed SQL for the small set of tasks remaining :) |
| 05:34 | osmoze | hello :) |
| 06:29 | |hdl| | hello |
| 06:29 | paul | hello aussi |
| 06:47 | osmoze | roh, les francais se reveille en meme temps :) |
| 06:47 | paul, as tu eu mon mail il y a deux semaines | |
| 06:48 | paul | ouaip, et faut que je m'en occupe... |
| 06:48 | je suis d'accord que je suis pas très rapide ! | |
| 07:11 | osmoze | c est pas un reproche, c est juste une verification, en fait, ceci nous sert pour faire les retour a la bdp |
| 07:11 | :) | |
| 07:20 | paul, par tout hasard, t aurais le telephone portable de Francis Biscontini ? | |
| 07:23 | paul | je ne sais même pas qui c'est ! |
| 07:23 | osmoze | (Saint antonin) |
| 07:24 | c est toi qui m a mis en rapport avec ;) | |
| 07:24 | paul | ah, je ne me souvenais plus de son nom de famille |
| 07:24 | osmoze | :) |
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