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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:37 | paul | hello owen |
| 12:37 | (did you read my mail) | |
| 12:37 | owen | Hi paul |
| 12:37 | About the prog templates? Yes | |
| 12:37 | paul | (the today one I mean) |
| 12:38 | finally I'm OK with prog. | |
| 12:38 | owen | No, I just sat down to my computer for the first time today |
| 12:38 | paul | (& just commited xhtml valid working templates for acquisition... almost 3 hours !) |
| 12:40 | if you want to test acquisitions : | |
| 12:40 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]qui/acqui-home.pl | |
| 12:40 | (insecure=ON, so no auth needed) | |
| 12:43 | owen | I'm not sure I understand about the id="1" and id="2" |
| 12:43 | paul | the idea could be to have "invariant sections" in a template. |
| 12:43 | as many as needed. | |
| 12:43 | those invariant are not template related but invariant whatever the template. | |
| 12:43 | the idea beiing to help template designers to update their templates. | |
| 12:44 | but this could work only if the designers uses them, thus the warning & my question : i'm not sure it's useable idea... | |
| 12:49 | kados | hi guys |
| 12:49 | I'm in a meeting this morning | |
| 12:49 | I did read your message paul | |
| 12:50 | I'd like to get some feedback from Owen and katipo designers | |
| 12:50 | paul | (phone ring) |
| 12:50 | owen | kados: ping me when you get some time |
| 12:50 | paul: I'm grabbing the latest from CVS to take a look | |
| 12:51 | paul | (kados : i've sent another message. finally i'm ok with prog. hélas, savannah is really too slow at delivering mails :-( ) |
| 12:51 | owen | worse than sourceforge? |
| 12:52 | paul | yes it seems. |
| 12:52 | kados | seems to be :-) |
| 12:52 | paul | (however CVS is highly faster on savannah) |
| 12:52 | kados | yep |
| 13:56 | owen: I've got a bit of time ... are you around? | |
| 13:56 | owen | Yes |
| 13:57 | paul | joshua : a good news, that's only 90% sure : a french studend (22 years) will work with me for 2 months (apr-may), and could continue during summer |
| 13:57 | he's a developper, enjoying OSS, knowing a little Perl. | |
| 13:58 | however, the bad news is that ZOOM still don't work for me :-( | |
| 14:04 | owen | So paul, you say the prog templates would only work if "template designers plan not to modify invariant blocs, even for some spelling reasons (like "book bag" in NPL template where default says "basket" |
| 14:04 | paul | nope |
| 14:05 | I say that inveriant trick is useful only if ... | |
| 14:05 | that's why i'm not sure it is useful ! | |
| 14:05 | kados | paul: great news! |
| 14:05 | paul: (strange about ZOOM) | |
| 14:06 | paul | yes. I've spend more than 2 full days on this... |
| 14:06 | and begin to be not happy... | |
| 14:08 | kados | owen: what's up? |
| 14:08 | owen: kronolith working? | |
| 14:12 | owen | paul, it looks like your prog templates are really an attempt to make a new default template that is more flexible for customization |
| 14:12 | ...which is good idea! | |
| 14:13 | paul | mmm... that was not my intention ;-) |
| 14:13 | I tried to do as clean HTML as possible. | |
| 14:13 | with as little tags as possible. | |
| 14:14 | owen, i've some problems with tfoot : | |
| 14:14 | the w3c validator always report an error. do you know how to solve this ? | |
| 14:14 | (for instance, i just have removed the tfoot tags | |
| 14:14 | owen | I've had problems with it too. Do you have an example page? |
| 14:15 | paul | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]ount.pl?bornum=12 |
| 14:15 | for example | |
| 14:19 | owen | I think the specs say that your table structure has to be <table><thead><tfoot><tbody>. the <tfoot> renders at the base of the table. But I don't see an opening <tfoot> in that example link. |
| 14:19 | paul | (reload, you may have loaded it when it was deleted) |
| 14:19 | (now there is one) | |
| 14:24 | owen, a question/suggestion : | |
| 14:25 | what about adding in prog a <div id="XX"> instead of the KOHA id="XX" trick. | |
| 14:25 | that would regroup blocs logically | |
| 14:25 | and help desiging a CSS | |
| 14:33 | owen | do we need the <div>'s if the template is going to be only for programmers? |
| 14:34 | paul | they could be useful in 2 cases : |
| 14:34 | * if someone just want to CSS the prog templates | |
| 14:34 | * to help understanding logical blocs when a designer creates it's own set of tmpl | |
| 14:34 | (the 2nd being more important I bet) | |
| 14:35 | owen | yes, the second sounds like a convincing reason...but how would the div's be named? |
| 14:35 | paul | because, for example, in member detail page, there are some logic informations : borrower, reserves, pays... |
| 14:35 | something like templatename + an id | |
| 14:36 | isn't there a "note" in HTML ? | |
| 14:37 | (we could have <div id="borraccount1" note="this bloc is for...">) | |
| 14:37 | owen | I don't think there's a note attribute |
| 14:39 | Is there a reason why the div's shouldn't be named something meaningful? something related to their function? | |
| 14:41 | paul | nope |
| 14:42 | i leave now. I've commited members templates. | |
| 14:42 | owen | Then let's try that |
| 14:42 | paul | do you have some time to spend on prog ? |
| 14:42 | (i'll try to work on cataloguing tomorrow. It's badly broken atm because I reorganize directories... acqui.simple for cataloguing is quite silly ;-) ) | |
| 14:43 | owen | I like the way you've been reorganizing. I think it will be a great improvement |
| 14:44 | paul | i thought it was important to reorganise things BEFORE coding new features. otherwise, it will never be done ! |
| 14:44 | savannah : excatly 3 hours to deliver a mail :-( | |
| 14:49 | ok, I leave, see you tomorrow. | |
| 17:10 | kados | owen: you around? |
| 17:10 | owen | Yes |
| 17:11 | chris | hi gues |
| 17:11 | guys even | |
| 17:11 | kados | hey chris ... welcome home :-) |
| 17:11 | things busy enough for you? :-) | |
| 17:11 | chris | hell yeah :) |
| 17:11 | kados | for the week ... get back Fri morning |
| 17:11 | chris | ahh cool |
| 17:11 | liblime work? | |
| 17:12 | kados | yep ... Evergreen (PINES) |
| 17:12 | chris | cool |
| 17:12 | owen | In the bosom of the enemy!! ;) |
| 17:12 | kados | basically whiteboarding the whole system |
| 17:12 | hehe | |
| 17:12 | there's a lot of good stuff we can use here ... just design wise | |
| 17:12 | for instance ... remember we talked about using ISBD? | |
| 17:12 | well ISBD is great for MARC ... for nonmarc we may want to look at MODS | |
| 17:13 | which will give us some specific classes like title,author,subject,series,keyword | |
| 17:14 | http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/ | |
| 17:15 | owen: I'm browsing the backends.php file ... what am I looking for? | |
| 17:15 | chris | sweet |
| 17:15 | any way we can make it simple to display the data in multiple ways, so the library can choose is all good with me | |
| 17:38 | owen | Fancy that... crashed Firefox |
| 19:00 | kados | russaway: you about? |
| 19:00 | chris | hes in dorkland at a wedding |
| 19:00 | kados | ahh ... |
| 19:01 | chris | (auckland that is) |
| 19:03 | ah yes, i made some comments on that to him i think he has to read thru and work out an estimate | |
| 19:04 | kados | cool |
| 19:04 | chris | i remember thinking the tricky bit was person belonging to multiple institutions and choosing which one when they borrow .. that was the thing that would involve quite a bit of changes |
| 19:04 | kados | right |
| 19:04 | chris | everything else it pretty much does now |
| 19:07 | kados | not sure whether it uses SIP or something else ... |
| 19:07 | but either way, it'd be a cool feature to have | |
| 19:08 | chris | sure would |
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