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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:03 | VivekVC | indradg: Are you there ? |
| 11:04 | hmmm | |
| 11:31 | indradg | VivekVC, back now |
| 11:59 | VivekVC | indradg: ok |
| 13:41 | kados | owen: so I've been playing with xslt |
| 13:41 | owen | Oh yeah? |
| 13:42 | kados | yea ... the students in chang's class aren't really up to the task so I've been helping out |
| 13:42 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/ | |
| 13:42 | do a search (only one term) | |
| 13:42 | indradg | kados, this being the cataloging project ? |
| 13:42 | kados | then click on the results |
| 13:42 | indradg: yep | |
| 13:42 | indradg: it's just a proof-of-concept | |
| 13:43 | indradg: I worked it up for the students to have something to work from | |
| 13:43 | indradg | looked nice to me |
| 13:43 | kados | it's got a long way to go |
| 13:43 | but the backend is kinda nice | |
| 13:43 | all client-side | |
| 13:43 | owen | Looks very promising! |
| 13:43 | kados | i.e., you pull out records as XMLMARC |
| 13:44 | then your client uses XSLT to display them | |
| 13:44 | the templating process with xslt is so much more powerful | |
| 13:44 | than Html::Template | |
| 13:44 | I'm planning on sending an email to koha-devel about it when I get back | |
| 13:44 | so owen | |
| 13:45 | there's a loadRecord routine here: | |
| 13:45 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/js/main.js | |
| 13:45 | that basically uses the xslt stylesheet here: | |
| 13:45 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/xsl/MARCEdit.xsl | |
| 13:45 | to create the right-hand display that you see when you click on a record | |
| 13:46 | this is what the actual XML looks like before it's converted by xslt: | |
| 13:46 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/cg[…]&searchbox=qwerty | |
| 13:46 | owen | So the script grabs the XML data and transforms it into XHTML via the XSLT? |
| 13:46 | kados | (for example, a keyword search on queryt) |
| 13:46 | yep | |
| 13:47 | and the javascript inserts the 'fragment' into a live document | |
| 13:47 | you can also generate whole documents (with headers, etc.) | |
| 13:47 | so if we were using XML tempaltes for Koha | |
| 13:47 | and those were PROG | |
| 13:48 | then we could use xslt stylesheets and css to do all of our real templates | |
| 13:48 | and there's no reason (other than that it's cool) to do the xslt processing in javascript | |
| 13:48 | we coudl do it server-side if we were worried about compatibility | |
| 13:48 | but the powerful thing about xslt | |
| 13:48 | owen | As I think we would be |
| 13:48 | kados | is once you have a stylesheet |
| 13:49 | you could so easily use it either server-side or client-side that we could offer both options | |
| 13:49 | anyway, it's an idea | |
| 13:49 | I might hack up an example template system for the OPAC just as a proof-of-concept when i get back | |
| 13:50 | owen | You mean you're not going to spend your vacation doing that? ;) |
| 13:50 | indradg | lol |
| 13:50 | kados | hehe |
| 13:50 | I hope not :-) | |
| 13:57 | VivekVC | indradg: btw, is the koha OPAC port 8000 and the Administrative Interface 8080 by default ? |
| 13:57 | or is it the other way around ? | |
| 14:01 | indradg: ping | |
| 15:31 | indradg | VivekVC, was away watching TV ;) |
| 15:31 | VivekVC | indradg: ok |
| 15:32 | so is Koha OPAC port 8000 the default and 8080 the Administrative interface ? | |
| 15:32 | or the other way around ? | |
| 15:34 | indradg | VivekVC, the installer script offers 8000 for OPAC and 8080 for Intranet interfaces as sugegstion during the installation |
| 15:35 | VivekVC | indradg: Thanks |
| 15:36 | indradg | any time! |
| 15:39 | VivekVC | indradg: koha is not starting for some reason again, let me check the error logs |
| 15:40 | indradg | ok |
| 15:40 | VivekVC | nah i figured it out :) |
| 15:48 | indradg | great! |
| 15:51 | idglaptop | kados, ping! |
| 15:51 | rach, ping! | |
| 15:53 | anybody around? | |
| 15:53 | owen | Too early for rach |
| 15:54 | kados | idglaptop: I'm here ... what's up> |
| 15:54 | ? even ;-) | |
| 15:54 | idglaptop | ok... I'm writing the request for space at the expo (FOSS.IN 2005) |
| 15:55 | making it an "official" Koha presence in India | |
| 15:55 | so wanted to run it thru with u guys | |
| 15:56 | hope thats ok? | |
| 15:56 | kados | not a problem at all |
| 15:56 | idglaptop | http://foss.in/2005/ |
| 15:56 | kados | any copy yet? |
| 15:58 | idglaptop | yes... cut-n-pasting from Koha site |
| 15:58 | This is an "official" request for FOSS Expo space at FOSS.IN 2005 from the Koha Project (www.koha.org) | |
| 15:58 | About Koha | |
| 15:58 | Koha is the world's first full-featured open-source Integrated Library System. Developed initially in New Zealand by Katipo Communications Ltd and first deployed in January of 2000 for Horowhenua Library Trust, it is in use around the world. Its development is steered by a growing community of libraries collaborating to achieve their technology goals. Koha's impressive feature set continues to evolve and expand to meet the needs of its user base. | |
| 15:58 | In India too, Koha is fast becoming a viable option for Libraries deciding to integrate or expand their use of IT in day-to-day management. On behalf of the entire Koha Team (http://koha.org/about-koha/koha-team.html) I would like to request for Expo space and if possible a minimum of one computer with a serial port. | |
| 15:58 | I would carry the rest - extra laptop, barcode scanners and sample books | |
| 15:58 | kados | great |
| 15:59 | idglaptop | now lemme weed out the grammatical typos ;) |
| 15:59 | I will be cross-posting this to the Koha List | |
| 16:03 | VivekVC | kados: Hello |
| 16:03 | kados: Nice meeting you, I am Vivek Varghese Cherian from Cochin, Kerala, India. | |
| 16:03 | kados | VivekVC: howdy |
| 16:04 | VivekVC | kados: I am fine, i have just written a Koha Training Module and it's put up at http://vivekvc.nipl.net/documents.html |
| 16:05 | kados | VivekVC: did you recently post that link to koha-devel? |
| 16:05 | VivekVC | kados: It's a work in progress, i still have not got an html version out |
| 16:05 | kados: I did | |
| 16:05 | kados | VivekVC: great ... and did Stephen add it to kohadocs.org? |
| 16:05 | VivekVC | I've updated the document to version 1.2 |
| 16:05 | kados: Let me check. | |
| 16:06 | kados | ooh ... it's for freebsd eh? |
| 16:06 | nice | |
| 16:06 | how would you like to write an installation manual for installig Koha on freebst? | |
| 16:06 | bsd even | |
| 16:07 | VivekVC | kados: I use Debian GNU/Linux, one for FreeBSD would be cool, but i don't have any space left on my HDD for a BSD partition. |
| 16:08 | kados | :-) |
| 16:08 | wow ... this is a big pdf | |
| 16:08 | or else your connection is slow ;-) | |
| 16:08 | VivekVC | Stephen has not added it to Kohadocs.org as of now. |
| 16:08 | kados | I guess it's only 7MB ;-) |
| 16:09 | VivekVC | Yes http://nipl.net is where is host it for now. I administer that server. |
| 16:09 | kados: I also have a OpenOffice format of the doc, need to get an HTML one soon. | |
| 16:10 | kados | VivekVC: well ... you could export as html from openoffice |
| 16:10 | VivekVC: might not be the cleanest html but it works | |
| 16:10 | VivekVC | kados: I tried that, it gets messed up. |
| 16:23 | idglaptop: wb | |
| 16:24 | idglaptop: What time do you sleep ;) | |
| 16:24 | tim: Hello | |
| 16:24 | tim | Hello VivekVC |
| 16:25 | VivekVC | tim: Nice meeting you. |
| 16:25 | idglaptop | VivekVC, thanks |
| 16:25 | VivekVC | Vivek from India here, on a Koha learning spree of sorts :) |
| 16:26 | idglaptop | VivekVC, i sleep in the morning! that is if i dont have to meet clients ;) |
| 16:26 | VivekVC | idglaptop: I see |
| 16:26 | idglaptop: I am basically free from tommrow morning lol | |
| 16:26 | idglaptop | hmm... lucky u |
| 16:26 | VivekVC | of course i have my engineering exams to prepare for |
| 16:27 | idglaptop | ark! who's the Koha listadmin??? rach? |
| 16:28 | VivekVC | idglaptop: catching up with the debian updates, i was usually updating in the weekends when i used to be home in Cochin. |
| 16:32 | chris | i am vivekvc |
| 16:33 | as well as rach, for the main koha list | |
| 16:35 | idglaptop | chris, did u manage to watch yesterday's India vs Sri Lanka match? |
| 16:36 | chris | unfortunately no |
| 16:36 | thats a lot of runs in a day :) | |
| 16:37 | idglaptop | u missed big! the keeper Dhoni is looking like someone to watch out for... shoot past Adam Gilchrist's record as highest ODI score from a keeper |
| 16:37 | s/shoot/shot/ | |
| 16:37 | kados | morning chris |
| 16:37 | idglaptop | 10 sixers! :) |
| 16:38 | kados | chris: been playing with xslt |
| 16:38 | chris: http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/ | |
| 16:38 | chris: it's da bomb! | |
| 16:38 | chris | heh |
| 16:38 | thats ajax as well eh? | |
| 16:38 | kados | yep |
| 16:39 | so it's going to be much better | |
| 16:39 | but that's just a demo I hacked together so the class could work on something | |
| 16:39 | chris | sweet |
| 16:39 | kados | they were having trouble getting started ;-) |
| 16:39 | chris | whats the browser requirement for ajax? |
| 16:40 | kados | well ... for that specific app it's firefox |
| 16:40 | ajax is more of a concept I think | |
| 16:40 | so not sure if there are clear browser requirements | |
| 16:40 | anything that can run google suggest or google maps I suppose | |
| 16:41 | IMO we should enhance things with ajax on the OPAC side | |
| 16:41 | idglaptop | kados, LiveSearch? |
| 16:41 | kados | but also IMO we shouldn't worry about older browsers too much on the intranet side |
| 16:41 | idglaptop: well ... livesearch is one ajax app | |
| 16:41 | idglaptop: I've got a livesearch going for Koha btw :-) | |
| 16:42 | idglaptop: opac.liblime.com if you want to see it | |
| 16:43 | idglaptop | actually I was going to bitflux blog the other day... i liked what I say :) |
| 16:43 | kados | yep |
| 16:43 | idglaptop | s/say/saw/ |
| 16:43 | kados | I modified bitflux just a little for Koha's livesearch |
| 16:43 | idglaptop | ok! |
| 16:43 | kados | but it's mainly bitflux code |
| 16:44 | with some database backend scripts, etc. | |
| 16:44 | idglaptop | uh huh! |
| 16:44 | kados | it'll be in 3.0 |
| 16:44 | idglaptop | sweet! |
| 16:44 | kados | chris: other news |
| 16:44 | chris: perl-zoom contract signed | |
| 16:44 | chris | fantastic |
| 16:44 | kados | chris: development should start next week |
| 16:45 | chris: and be done before the end of this month | |
| 16:45 | chris | that will give us some good stuff to work on over xmas |
| 16:45 | kados | yep :-) |
| 16:45 | I'm really looking forward to that | |
| 16:45 | after I get back from san diego I'm gonna really start pushing 3.0 | |
| 16:46 | perl-zoom should be mainly finished by then so it'll be a good time | |
| 16:47 | idglaptop | kados, perl-zoom to replace the current z39.50 implementation? |
| 16:48 | kados | chris: so if we had our templates in Koha be XML (PROG) then we could easily spawn xslt and css to generate the interfaces ... and it would be much easier to support (say) opensearch, flavours of rss, screen readers, etc. |
| 16:48 | idglaptop: exactly | |
| 16:48 | chris: without modifying the main template at all | |
| 16:49 | idglaptop | funny u mention screen readers... was playing around with gnopernicus and festival much to this evening :) |
| 16:49 | kados | :-) |
| 16:49 | I've got festival installed on my zaurus | |
| 16:49 | it rox! | |
| 16:54 | hehe | |
| 17:09 | tim | kados: When we click on a title in opac search and then on a related link, we get no results found. Is there something that we need to do to set that up? |
| 17:10 | kados | hmm |
| 17:10 | chris | sounds like a bug in the template |
| 17:10 | kados | yea |
| 17:10 | I'll take a look | |
| 17:20 | rach | morning |
| 17:20 | kados | morning rach |
| 18:00 | rach | looks like lost of stuff happening |
| 18:00 | lots | |
| 19:02 | jamesa | Hi, is anyone there? have I got this IRC client setup correctly ? |
| 19:03 | kados | hi jamesa |
| 19:03 | sure have :-) | |
| 19:03 | jamesa | ok thanks for the confirmation |
| 19:04 | so this is where we can chat about Koha problems ? | |
| 19:04 | kados | sure |
| 19:04 | having problems? | |
| 19:05 | jamesa | I am just getting a test server setup, no real problems yet, I am at the stage of learning how to add my collection int the DB |
| 19:05 | kados | cool |
| 19:05 | got MARC records? | |
| 19:05 | jamesa | all I have is books on the shelves. the Z3950 client piece is still a bit of a mystery |
| 19:05 | kados | ahh |
| 19:05 | yea ... that's a tricky thing to get going | |
| 19:06 | search through the mailing lists ... there's some good tips there | |
| 19:06 | jamesa | I am on east coast of Aust, is there a list of suitable servers to connect to ? |
| 19:06 | kados | you'd have to ask the NZ folks |
| 19:06 | I'm in Ohio USA ;-) | |
| 19:06 | chris: you about? | |
| 19:07 | chris wrote the first version of Koha ... he's in Wellington I believe | |
| 19:07 | jamesa | OK, no worries, what is this breeding pool? |
| 19:08 | kados | so the breeding pool ... also known as the reservoir ... |
| 19:08 | is a temporary storage place for newly downloaded records | |
| 19:09 | so the workflow is ... do a search | |
| 19:09 | find records you want, add them to the breeding pool | |
| 19:09 | then, when you're ready to add new items | |
| 19:09 | search the breeding pool, retrieve the ones you want, edit and insert into Koha's live database | |
| 19:10 | jamesa | aha ! I think I get it, |
| 19:11 | also during the install I was asked to choose french or english and load some stopworks and some MARC file, what was that dooing ? | |
| 19:11 | kados | was it sample data? |
| 19:11 | I'm not really sure | |
| 19:12 | jamesa | it all came with the tarball download, could I do a wildcard search of my database to see if there is anything in there ? |
| 19:15 | kados | well if you don't have any stopwords no searches will work |
| 19:15 | so I'd first check if you have stopwords ... it's in the intranet ... paramaters ... somewhere in there ;-) | |
| 19:16 | jamesa | ok, lots to learn, thanks for helping a newbie out Kados! |
| 19:16 | cheers | |
| 19:17 | kados | np |
| 05:14 | vivek | Hello |
| 05:15 | paul | hi |
| 05:15 | vivek | How is everyone doing |
| 05:15 | paul: Hello, I am Vivek from Cochin,Kerala, India | |
| 05:15 | paul | welcome here. |
| 05:16 | vivek | paul: I was here yesterday night and has a brief chat with kados. |
| 05:17 | paul: If you remember, i had posted to the Koha Mailing list a couple of weeks back about a Koha Training Module i was preparing. | |
| 05:17 | paul | if it was on Koha ml, then, sorry, but I have no more time to read it. |
| 05:17 | VivekVC | paul: I see. |
| 05:17 | paul | if it was on koha-devel, then i have 100 messages to read on this list... |
| 05:19 | VivekVC | paul:ok |
| 05:35 | osmoze | hello |
| 06:02 | hdl | hello |
| 07:04 | paul | hdl, je ne te vois pas avec gnomemeeting |
| 07:04 | ? | |
| 07:33 | hdl, je ne peux pas t'appeler. |
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