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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:12 | kados | paul around? |
| 12:13 | probably not being the weekend and all | |
| 12:13 | paul | for a few minuts only. |
| 12:13 | kados | ahh ... great! |
| 12:13 | paul | hello joshua |
| 12:13 | kados | quick question |
| 12:13 | hi :-) | |
| 12:13 | paul | (working today, then leaving for 3 days with family. TGV in less than 1 hour) |
| 12:13 | reading. | |
| 12:13 | kados | for the MARC import to reservoir ... I have found that some records that do not have ISBNs do not import ... have you found this also? |
| 12:14 | (ooh ... have fun ;-)) | |
| 12:14 | paul | yep. |
| 12:14 | kados | re: MARC import to reservoir ... is there a way to avoid this? |
| 12:14 | paul | worked in 2.0, but not in 2.2 |
| 12:15 | yes but no. if we revert to 2.0, then another annoying problem comes around. | |
| 12:15 | could you open a bug pls. i'll try to fix it correctly. | |
| 12:15 | kados | sure ... here's an idea ... |
| 12:15 | what if there is no isbn found ... so Koha automatically puts one in ... | |
| 12:16 | ok ... I'll bug it | |
| 12:17 | paul | have a nice trip to san diego. is it for fun or work ? |
| 12:18 | kados | 100% fun this time ;-) |
| 12:18 | paul | so, have a funny week ! |
| 12:18 | kados | hehe |
| 12:19 | ok ... bug report sent | |
| 12:19 | paul | hello owen. |
| 12:19 | owen | Hi paul and kados. |
| 12:32 | kados | owen: you working at PPL today? |
| 12:32 | owen | Yes |
| 12:33 | kados | I'm about to head to athens myself |
| 14:55 | indradg | kados, hi... yes I have noticed the bug triggering for non-ISBN MARC records |
| 15:05 | owen | kados: are you going to volunteer in Sunny Pasadena? :) |
| 15:05 | chris | morning |
| 15:06 | owen | Hi chris |
| 15:06 | chris | owen: do you have an rss reader handy? |
| 15:06 | kados | morning chris |
| 15:06 | owen | chris: yes |
| 15:06 | kados | indradg: yep ... it's a pretty big problem ;-) |
| 15:06 | indradg: as there are loads of records without ISBNs | |
| 15:06 | chris | http://opac.hlt.katipo.co.nz/c[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 15:06 | kados | chris hacking on Koha rss? |
| 15:07 | chris | try a search |
| 15:07 | then add &subsearch=rss to the end of the url | |
| 15:08 | kados | bloglines reports no feeds .. |
| 15:08 | not found via browser | |
| 15:08 | chris | eg |
| 15:08 | http://opac.hlt.katipo.co.nz/c[…]ogs&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 | |
| 15:09 | kados | 3hmm ... |
| 15:09 | that's a file ... for downloading | |
| 15:09 | chris | yeah the header is wrong |
| 15:09 | kados | chris: I should send you my opensearch proxy ... might be a cleaner way of doing rss in Koha |
| 15:09 | chris | but i get a feed if i punch that into bloglines |
| 15:09 | kados | it needs some modularization though |
| 15:09 | ok | |
| 15:10 | chris | its pretty easy |
| 15:10 | you just make a rss template | |
| 15:10 | kados | http://liblime.com/opensearchproxy.html |
| 15:10 | seen that? | |
| 15:10 | chris | and tell it to use that |
| 15:10 | im just not fully up on rss syntax | |
| 15:11 | kados | oops ... |
| 15:11 | owen | When I plug that URL into Bloglines it works great. But yeah, my browser wanted to download it |
| 15:11 | kados | http://liblime.com/opensearchportal.html |
| 15:11 | well and rss has the whole versioning problem | |
| 15:12 | chris | i dont think its really a problem |
| 15:12 | just pick a version and conform to that :) | |
| 15:12 | owen | Agreed |
| 15:12 | kados | so what you've got is a search returning rss results ... which is exactly what opensearch is ... |
| 15:13 | chris | yeah all i did was make an rss template |
| 15:13 | kados | I wrote a similar opensearch compatible one that uses Net::Z3950 |
| 15:13 | so it works on any Z39.50 source | |
| 15:13 | chris | you can do it for every single page of koha |
| 15:13 | kados | ahh ... neat ...so borrowers pages too? |
| 15:13 | chris | exactly |
| 15:14 | kados | that's useful ;-) |
| 15:14 | chris | just need to make the templates, and you remember the change language button |
| 15:15 | could use something like that,except it says rss feed of this page | |
| 15:15 | just was playing around while im watching nz play great britain in rugby league | |
| 15:16 | kados | chris: here's mine: http://search.athenscounty.lib[…]opensearch?q=dogs |
| 15:17 | chris | cool |
| 15:17 | i was just thinking (as u do early on sunday morning) | |
| 15:17 | "its all just templates" | |
| 15:18 | kados | yep :-) |
| 15:18 | chris: http://opensearch.a9.com/ | |
| 15:18 | chris | so koha could easy do .91 .93, 1.00, 2.00 8731.4 whatever version |
| 15:19 | kados | sign up for that ... and then add nelsonville to your 'columns' |
| 15:19 | chris | ahh i remember you showing me this its very cool |
| 15:20 | kados | so it's insanely easy to implement an opensearch portal similar to a9s |
| 15:20 | chris | yep |
| 15:20 | kados | which is what liblime.com/opensearchportal.html is ... |
| 15:20 | it's a completely client-side portal in fact ... done in javascript | |
| 15:20 | and using that we can add any opensearch source for federated searching | |
| 15:21 | and complying to opensearch means that patrons can search our catalog in their favorite opensearcch portal ;-) | |
| 15:22 | chris | yep, the search was just an easy page to do a template for |
| 15:22 | kados | yep ... |
| 15:22 | so is there an XML::Template? | |
| 15:23 | chris | i just wanted to do a "koha does rss for every page in the opac" |
| 15:23 | naw dont need it | |
| 15:23 | kados | how are you handleing XML through HTML::TEmplate? |
| 15:23 | just changing the header and encoding? | |
| 15:23 | chris | yeah |
| 15:23 | kados | yea ... that's what I did too |
| 15:24 | just wanted to make sure I did it right ;-) | |
| 15:24 | chris | html::template is a bit of a misname |
| 15:24 | it doesnt care if its html or anything | |
| 15:24 | kados | so actually, it should be pretty easy to add a new set of XML templates |
| 15:24 | chris | yep |
| 15:24 | kados | then just check for them in the script |
| 15:24 | chris | exactly |
| 15:24 | kados | and walla ... rss or whatever |
| 15:25 | sweetness | |
| 15:25 | chris | thats the plan |
| 15:25 | kados | owen: better get right on that ;-) |
| 15:25 | I wonder if it would be possible to write an XML DtD such that it would make the process of creating new templates easier | |
| 15:25 | owen | Hunh? Wha? |
| 15:26 | chris | owen was talking about it the other day, and when i had to get up at 5.30am today, it came to me |
| 15:26 | kados | i.e., all the changes are done in XML |
| 15:26 | so all a tempalte designer needs to do is see what xml exists and then modify the html template accordingly | |
| 15:26 | or something ... xslt maybe? | |
| 15:27 | chris | dunno, but the search one is only about 15 lines |
| 15:27 | kados | right |
| 15:27 | chris | they should be pretty good to maintain |
| 15:27 | much simpler than html | |
| 15:27 | kados | hmmm ... brainstorming here ... |
| 15:27 | what if instead of PROG templates in HTML there were PROG templates in XML | |
| 15:28 | couldn't we then use XSLT to convert them to XHTML? | |
| 15:28 | chris | in theory yep |
| 15:28 | kados | and a proper dtd would allow anyone to design a template and display the fields however they wanted |
| 15:29 | and it could be 'versioned' so with every release of Koha there'd be updates to the DT | |
| 15:29 | DTD even | |
| 15:29 | chris | hmmm 24-20 |
| 15:29 | kados | I wonder ... if we had that system going whether it'd be more complex or easier? |
| 15:30 | chris | this is going to be close |
| 15:30 | kados | hehe |
| 15:30 | chris | depends how many ppl understand xml vs html |
| 15:30 | ditto | |
| 15:30 | but then i dont know much html either :) | |
| 15:30 | owen | But surely I can learn in my copious free time? :) |
| 15:44 | kados | http://particletree.com/notebook/xslt-roundup/ |
| 15:45 | owen | Aw man, homework! |
| 15:46 | kados | hehe ... the first link there is really good ... I'm reading it now |
| 16:07 | chris | yay 42-26 .. i can go back to sleep now |
| 16:11 | owen | The man's hardcore. |
| 22:50 | destinati | Anyone have experience with the Z3950 code? |
| 22:53 | Or specifically importing MARC | |
| 23:05 | Anyone out there? :) | |
| 23:11 | I have a crazy idea to get around the Z3950 problem on windows that just might work | |
| 23:11 | but I wanted to run it by someone that's familiar with Koha's code | |
| 23:35 | kados | woot! chris around? |
| 23:36 | just worked up the first working demo of an XMLHttpRequest marc editor that uses xslt to process the records | |
| 23:36 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/ | |
| 23:36 | well ... can't edit just yet ;-) | |
| 23:36 | but the search and display is working | |
| 23:36 | this xslt stuff is really powerful | |
| 23:39 | destinati | I use XSLT quite a bit at work |
| 23:40 | It's really nice if you have a XSLT debugger | |
| 23:40 | like Visual Studio 2005 | |
| 23:42 | Kados? | |
| 23:46 | kados | yea ... I'm here |
| 23:48 | destinati | :) I commend you |
| 23:48 | Even though I run XP, I still use GVIM/VIM to edit text files | |
| 23:49 | I'm not familiar with your project, but if you have general XSLT questions I might be able to help | |
| 23:49 | I'm trying to find the most pain-free process to make it easy for librarians to import MARC data from the Library of Congress | |
| 23:50 | given that the server is running on an XP box (for a couple of reasons) | |
| 23:50 | kados | destinati: do you happen to know how I can do this? : |
| 23:50 | <input value=<xsl:value-of select="."/></input> | |
| 23:50 | destinati | no, you don't want to do that |
| 23:51 | you need to create an xsl:attribute inside of the <input> tag | |
| 23:51 | kados | ahh |
| 23:52 | destinati | <input> |
| 23:52 | kados | (first day at xslt ;-)) |
| 23:52 | destinati | <xsl:attribute name="value"><xsl:value-of select="."/></input> |
| 23:52 | remember.. it has to be a valid XML document | |
| 23:52 | this is how XSLT gets around the issue | |
| 23:55 | Did you happen to write the Koha MARC add biblio function? :) | |
| 23:55 | kados | no ;-) |
| 23:55 | destinati | I mean.. the web interface to it |
| 23:55 | kados | destinati: http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/xsl/MARCEdit.xsl |
| 23:55 | this is throwing an error | |
| 23:56 | destinati | oops.. I forgot to close the attribute tag |
| 23:56 | <xsl:attribute name="value"><xsl:value-of select="."/></xsl:attribute> | |
| 23:57 | kados | got it |
| 23:57 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/ | |
| 23:57 | this is the beginnings of an open-source MARC record retriever and editor ;-) | |
| 23:58 | so you do a search (one term only) | |
| 23:58 | destinati | we might have similar goals |
| 23:58 | kados | click on the results and you can view and edit the record ... |
| 23:58 | well it's really just an infant ;-) | |
| 23:58 | destinati: what's your goal? | |
| 23:58 | destinati | I have to run Koha on Windows |
| 23:59 | and I have a library of 1000+ books | |
| 23:59 | kados | http://athenscounty.lib.oh.us/[…]catalogingproject |
| 23:59 | destinati | that need to be added to it |
| 23:59 | and ideally I'd like to have a lot of volunteers simply go to a program | |
| 23:59 | kados | that's the description doc for the class that's working on this project |
| 23:59 | destinati | type the ISBN |
| 23:59 | and have Koha magically pull in all the data from the library of congress's MARCXML gateway | |
| 00:00 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 00:00 | so ... you know you can already do z39.50 searches right? | |
| 00:00 | destinati | On *nix |
| 00:00 | kados | pull back records, import them, etc. |
| 00:00 | destinati | the code doesn't seem to work on Windows |
| 00:00 | kados | yea ... that's going to change real soon |
| 00:00 | it's because of Net::z3950 | |
| 00:01 | destinati | I understand |
| 00:01 | kados | which will soon be replaced by Perl-ZOOM |
| 00:01 | destinati | or at least have read a bit about it |
| 00:01 | kados | (which will remove dependency on perl Event module which is buggy on windows) |
| 00:01 | destinati | how soon is soon? |
| 00:01 | kados | the coding will begin on Nov 21 and end mid December |
| 00:01 | I know because I'm sponsoring it ;-) | |
| 00:02 | destinati | Sponsoring who? |
| 00:02 | the class? | |
| 00:02 | kados | so ... it's complex |
| 00:02 | I own/operate http://liblime.com with some friends | |
| 00:02 | destinati | Ah. |
| 00:03 | kados | we have a couple of contracts with libraries |
| 00:03 | and we're paying Index Data (http://indexdata.dk) to create Perl_ZOOM | |
| 00:03 | :-) | |
| 00:03 | destinati | seems almost like an overkill |
| 00:03 | kados | so the other part that's complex is that I'm also an employee of the Nelsonville Public Library SYstem |
| 00:04 | the sys admin in fact | |
| 00:04 | destinati | there is a very simple SOAP gateway to the LOC |
| 00:04 | kados | and through NPL I'm working with an ohio university class to create a new MARC editor |
| 00:04 | destinati | that will give you the full MARCXML of an ISBN |
| 00:04 | kados | which is that catalogingproject wiki link above |
| 00:04 | not sure ... but that's pretty simple to do eh? | |
| 00:05 | destinati | that is what I was going to use.. and have a simple .NET application fill in the right textboxes on the add biblio form |
| 00:05 | but that was going to be a hack | |
| 00:05 | kados | yea ... I'd wait around for Koha 3.0 |
| 00:05 | where it'll be done right ;-) | |
| 00:06 | should be ready first quarter of 2006 | |
| 00:06 | and if you want to sponsor anything (or hack on anything) please let us know | |
| 00:06 | I'm the release manager | |
| 00:06 | we can always use some more programmers ;-) | |
| 00:06 | destinati | well.. I've got an eager library project wanting to get their online catalog started |
| 00:07 | so I might have to hack this until Koha 3.0 is available | |
| 00:07 | kados | so have you considered hosted solutions? |
| 00:07 | my company offers them :-) | |
| 00:07 | here's one of our client's OPACs: | |
| 00:07 | https://libcat.nbbc.edu | |
| 00:08 | we've got a fiber-backbone server farm in seattle with three points of redundency :-) | |
| 00:08 | destinati | we don't have the budget for a recurring cost |
| 00:08 | kados | gotcha |
| 00:08 | so nothing's cheaper than linux | |
| 00:09 | going with wondows automatically locks you into recurring cost ;-) | |
| 00:09 | destinati | Sort of.. but not quite |
| 00:09 | kados | If I were you I'd throw debian sarge on an older pentium, install Koha and walla ... |
| 00:09 | destinati | the computer that runs Koha will also be used for things like Word, PowerPoint, Adobe Acrobat.. and part of a Windows 2000 domain |
| 00:10 | kados | ahh ... |
| 00:10 | destinati | and Debian and OpenOffice won't cut it |
| 00:10 | kados | well ... use wine |
| 00:10 | destinati | hehe |
| 00:10 | The idea is to try it out on this box | |
| 00:10 | kados | I've got tons of windows programs installed |
| 00:10 | including world of warcraft ;-) | |
| 00:11 | destinati | and if it successful.. we'll eventually migrate to a linux box |
| 00:11 | kados | cool |
| 00:11 | destinati | in theory.. it should just be a matter of exporting the MySQL DB and importing it on the Linux box |
| 00:11 | kados | well here's an idea |
| 00:11 | what if you used a third-part MARC editor for the time being | |
| 00:11 | until KOha's is ready for windows | |
| 00:12 | bookwhere is a good Z39.50 retrieval tool | |
| 00:12 | and you can use TLC's editor fairly cheaply | |
| 00:12 | the whole thing would cost less than $2K annually | |
| 00:13 | destinati | It'd be easier, but he project just doesn't have the budget |
| 00:13 | we spent around $400 on the computer.. and all that's remaining is my volunteer time | |
| 00:13 | kados | yikes |
| 00:14 | destinati | I'm not sure on the computer cost actually |
| 00:14 | kados | last time I checked a single windows seat was around $400 |
| 00:14 | destinati | but it's a 2.8 GHz/512 MB RAM |
| 00:14 | low end from Dell | |
| 00:14 | kados | not too bad |
| 00:14 | I run NPL on a 900Mhz ;-) | |
| 00:15 | destinati | I'm a software engineer at work |
| 00:15 | kados | sweet ... where's that? |
| 00:15 | destinati | so I'm not scared to write code |
| 00:15 | especially when others might benefit | |
| 00:15 | I work at Raytheon | |
| 00:15 | kados | much experience with javascript? |
| 00:16 | question about xslt | |
| 00:16 | destinati | I do quite a bit with HTML, XML, XSLT, Databases, VB.NET, C#, C++ |
| 00:16 | kados | nice |
| 00:16 | so say I've got that stylesheet above | |
| 00:16 | and i want to make a bunch of inputs and labels for each tag/subfield in the doc | |
| 00:17 | without having a huge stylesheet | |
| 00:17 | destinati | do you have a sample XML file? |
| 00:17 | kados | is there a way to use the existing xml to generate the match? |
| 00:17 | ye | |
| 00:17 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/cg[…]&searchbox=qwerty | |
| 00:18 | that's an example ... but of course, since it's MARC it's wildly variable | |
| 00:18 | so there's no telling what tags and subfields each record is going to have ahead of time | |
| 00:18 | destinati | ok, good.. you're using MARCXML |
| 00:18 | kados | need to account for indicators and repeatability too ... and eventually authorities ... |
| 00:19 | yea | |
| 00:19 | destinati | what you want to do is make use of the xsl:for-each |
| 00:19 | command | |
| 00:19 | so.. something like | |
| 00:20 | <xsl:for-each select="datafield"> | |
| 00:20 | then... inside of this you're in scope of a datafield tag | |
| 00:21 | you can then display the @tag | |
| 00:21 | kados | right ... |
| 00:21 | destinati | you can use xsl:if's to test if the count(subfield/) > 0 |
| 00:21 | to see if you want to display subfields | |
| 00:21 | kados | sweet |
| 00:22 | destinati | if so, you can display some subfield header info... |
| 00:22 | There are several XML editors on Windows at least that do full XSLT intellisense | |
| 00:22 | which is very helpful when you're writing an XSL file | |
| 00:23 | kados | well ... I guess what I need is a good tutorial covering what's possible |
| 00:23 | destinati | you can also use XPATH to see if that tag has been used previously in the document |
| 00:23 | kados | neat ... from within xslt? |
| 00:23 | destinati | and then from that you can modify your output to say something like "Repeat #3" |
| 00:23 | absolutely | |
| 00:23 | kados | sweet! |
| 00:23 | wow ... this is like a whole new animal | |
| 00:23 | destinati | if you have multiple tags.. like 650's |
| 00:24 | kados | I'm really excited ;-) |
| 00:24 | destinati | I used XSLT to simplify a database program that generated HTML |
| 00:24 | it cut the code down immensely | |
| 00:24 | now.. all the database does is spit out a XML file | |
| 00:24 | and the XSLT does a whole bunch of processing | |
| 00:24 | kados | yea ... this might be just what Koha needs |
| 00:25 | none of us have use XML that much | |
| 00:25 | used that is | |
| 00:25 | so how do I display @tag? | |
| 00:26 | within datafield? | |
| 00:26 | destinati | remember that in XSLT, you find the value of any variable using select |
| 00:26 | so.. | |
| 00:26 | if the context is the datafield node | |
| 00:26 | <xsl:value-of select="@tag"/> | |
| 00:26 | kados | sweet |
| 00:27 | destinati | Ideally, Koha would have a web service oriented architecture.. |
| 00:27 | that way you could use a lot of the tools to write simple interfaces to Koha | |
| 00:27 | using things like SOAP | |
| 00:28 | it sounds like a lot of buzzwords | |
| 00:28 | but it's not too bad | |
| 00:28 | kados | yep ... I grok soap |
| 00:28 | destinati | I'd be all for Koha moving to a more XML approach :) |
| 00:29 | at work, I use XML for data, XSLT for structure, and CSS for style | |
| 00:29 | kados | well I've got to give it some thought ... but I think it would streamline our template development process |
| 00:29 | destinati | I'm not sure how you do that now |
| 00:29 | kados | though it would add another layer and require another technology |
| 00:29 | we use HTML::Template ... perl module | |
| 00:29 | destinati | ah |
| 00:29 | kados | which can generate XML just fine |
| 00:30 | destinati | what is an example template? |
| 00:30 | kados | but currently we just use it to create our templates |
| 00:30 | do you have a Koha installed? | |
| 00:30 | destinati | Yeah, 2.2.4 |
| 00:30 | kados | everything is templates |
| 00:30 | all the interfaces | |
| 00:30 | look in koha/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/npl/en/ | |
| 00:31 | there are two template styles currently maintained npl and default (called css in the OPAC) | |
| 00:32 | destinati | yeah.. you could definitely benefit from using XSLT instead of what you call templates here |
| 00:32 | kados | hehe |
| 00:32 | destinati | you'd benefit from having more tools at your disposal to edit them |
| 00:39 | my dream is that one day Koha is using XML and is very plug-in/modular oriented | |
| 00:39 | kados | destinati: can you take a look ... why isn't my for-each displaying |
| 00:39 | destinati | so that it's very easy to configure |
| 00:40 | and there is an explosion of tons of plug-ins | |
| 00:40 | kados | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/xsl/MARCEdit.xsl |
| 00:40 | destinati | and a very simple Windows installer :) |
| 00:40 | kados | do I need it to be marc:datafield/ ? |
| 00:40 | I have <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield"> now | |
| 00:41 | destinati | note that all code has to be done in a template |
| 00:41 | I think... | |
| 00:42 | so, what you're saying is.. | |
| 00:42 | "at the root, apply all templates that you can" | |
| 00:42 | the for-each is ignored | |
| 00:42 | and then the specific templates might be matched | |
| 00:42 | kados | gotcha |
| 00:43 | destinati | simply have a match of "marc:datafield" |
| 00:43 | or... | |
| 00:43 | go one level higher | |
| 00:43 | and match marc:record | |
| 00:43 | or.. | |
| 00:44 | have another template that doesn't do a match | |
| 00:44 | but that is named something like | |
| 00:44 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 00:44 | destinati | <xsl:template name="showdatafields"> |
| 00:44 | .. | |
| 00:44 | then | |
| 00:44 | <xsl:foreach select = "//datafield"> | |
| 00:45 | this xpath expression will select all datafields from the current node and below in the XML tree | |
| 00:45 | then, in your root template | |
| 00:45 | you could do an xsl:call-template | |
| 00:46 | <xsl:call-template name="showdatafields"/> | |
| 00:46 | all depends on your preferences | |
| 00:46 | and where you're going to take it.. | |
| 00:48 | nothing is preventing you from having another XML file that defines the MARC fields | |
| 00:48 | and then using XSLT to get that data using XPATH | |
| 00:49 | kados | that's what I'm doing I think |
| 00:49 | xmlns:marc="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim" | |
| 00:49 | destinati | 404 |
| 00:50 | maybe there is a nice schema... | |
| 00:50 | got it | |
| 00:51 | well the schema doesn't define each marc code | |
| 00:51 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 00:51 | so I can't really get the inputs to show up from showdatafields | |
| 00:52 | destinati | you can |
| 00:52 | but to say that "650" is a subject item | |
| 00:52 | kados | well here's my idea |
| 00:52 | destinati | you'd have to have a mapping of the MARC code to the definition of what 650 is |
| 00:52 | kados | we assume advanced use |
| 00:52 | then when the user hits F1 | |
| 00:52 | a help pops up with explaination of the current field | |
| 00:53 | but that's another whole stylesheet ;-) | |
| 00:53 | right now I just need to get label and input showing up ;-) | |
| 00:53 | here's what I've got: | |
| 00:53 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/xsl/MARCEdit.xsl | |
| 00:55 | destinati | replace marc:datafield with //datafield |
| 00:55 | hmm.. I should probably copy the info locally | |
| 00:55 | kados | ok tried that an still doesn't work |
| 00:56 | yea ... LOC is really slow ;-) | |
| 00:56 | destinati | One minute.. I'll setup a sample project |
| 01:02 | a few typos maybe.. | |
| 01:03 | hmm.. you're not getting proper XML back either | |
| 01:03 | for example | |
| 01:03 | & | |
| 01:03 | instead of & | |
| 01:04 | well, maybe not | |
| 01:04 | maybe I copied wrong | |
| 01:04 | one sec | |
| 01:04 | hehe | |
| 01:04 | that was it | |
| 01:04 | kados | it should be valid xml ... |
| 01:05 | no? | |
| 01:05 | typos? | |
| 01:06 | destinati | I was viewing the XML in FireFox |
| 01:06 | and copied and pasted it | |
| 01:06 | kados | ahh |
| 01:07 | destinati | only to realize that FF did some escaping in the display |
| 01:07 | :) | |
| 01:07 | kados | I've got <xsl:template name="showdatafields" match="marc:datafield"> |
| 01:07 | now | |
| 01:08 | does this mean I'm using the marc namespace? | |
| 01:08 | and is that a good thing? | |
| 01:08 | destinati | one min.. now I've got it to where you are |
| 01:10 | <xsl:template name="showdatafields"> | |
| 01:10 | ||
| 01:10 | <xsl:for-each select="//marc:datafield"> | |
| 01:10 | get rid of the match part of the template declaration | |
| 01:11 | kados | done |
| 01:11 | destinati | <xsl:template name="showdatafields"> |
| 01:11 | <xsl:for-each select="//marc:datafield"> | |
| 01:11 | <label> | |
| 01:11 | <xsl:attribute name="for"><xsl:value-of select="@tag"/></xsl:attribute> | |
| 01:11 | <xsl:value-of select="@tag"/> | |
| 01:11 | </label> | |
| 01:11 | <input> | |
| 01:11 | <xsl:attribute name="id"><xsl:value-of select="@tag"/></xsl:attribute> | |
| 01:11 | <xsl:attribute name="value"><xsl:value-of select="@tag"/></xsl:attribute> | |
| 01:11 | </input> | |
| 01:11 | </xsl:for-each> | |
| 01:11 | </xsl:template> | |
| 01:13 | kados | is that what you're prescribing? |
| 01:13 | destinati | Actually.. |
| 01:13 | <xsl:template name="showdatafields"> | |
| 01:13 | <xsl:for-each select="//marc:datafield"> | |
| 01:13 | <xsl:sort select="@tag"/> | |
| 01:13 | <label> | |
| 01:13 | <xsl:attribute name="for"><xsl:value-of select="@tag"/></xsl:attribute> | |
| 01:13 | <xsl:value-of select="@tag"/> | |
| 01:13 | </label> | |
| 01:13 | <input> | |
| 01:13 | <xsl:attribute name="id"><xsl:value-of select="@tag"/></xsl:attribute> | |
| 01:13 | <xsl:attribute name="value"><xsl:value-of select="@tag"/></xsl:attribute> | |
| 01:13 | </input> | |
| 01:13 | </xsl:for-each> | |
| 01:13 | </xsl:template> | |
| 01:13 | that way it'll be sorted by MARC tag | |
| 01:14 | kados | ok ... cept it's not working ;-) |
| 01:14 | destinati | what error do you get? I'm seeing it work here on my local copy |
| 01:15 | kados | hmmm |
| 01:15 | well I don't get an error exactly | |
| 01:15 | destinati | one thing that I strongly recommend you do |
| 01:15 | kados | instead of inputs I'm seeing just a MARC string |
| 01:16 | destinati | is that you place a sample XML output file in the directory with the XSL |
| 01:16 | and then at the top of it.. put | |
| 01:16 | <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="marc.xsl"?> | |
| 01:16 | that way.. all you have to do is save the XSL | |
| 01:16 | and then refresh the XML view in your browser | |
| 01:16 | I do that all the time | |
| 01:16 | kados | ahh ... good point |
| 01:17 | so I took the bottom stuff out of my xslt doc | |
| 01:18 | and now it's just showing me a MARC string with no formatting at all: | |
| 01:18 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/xsl/MARCEdit.xsl | |
| 01:18 | any ideas? | |
| 01:19 | destinati | hmm |
| 01:19 | it's working here | |
| 01:19 | kados | weird |
| 01:20 | destinati | let's see if I can send you something |
| 01:20 | kados | do I still need this? : |
| 01:20 | <xsl:template match="/"> | |
| 01:20 | <form> | |
| 01:20 | <xsl:call-template name="showdatafields"/> | |
| 01:20 | </form> | |
| 01:20 | </xsl:template> | |
| 01:21 | destinati | you definitely need the root template |
| 01:21 | that's the first thing the XSL processor goes for | |
| 01:21 | now, if you want to put the items inside of the <form> tag in another preference you can | |
| 01:21 | or you can do everything inside the root template | |
| 01:21 | it's up to you | |
| 01:22 | but if you want to simplify things... | |
| 01:22 | take the part from <xsl:template name="showdatafields" | |
| 01:22 | to the end of that tag at the bottom | |
| 01:22 | get rid of the template outer tag | |
| 01:22 | and put it inside the <form> tag | |
| 01:23 | that way you make it simpler | |
| 01:23 | by having everything in one template | |
| 01:23 | kados | like this? :http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/xsl/MARCEdit.xsl |
| 01:23 | destinati | hehe |
| 01:23 | now you can get rid of the call-template :) | |
| 01:24 | think of templates as sort of similar to functions in perl | |
| 01:24 | the only difference is that templates really describe parts of the XML tree | |
| 01:24 | kados | right |
| 01:24 | destinati | "/" is the main() |
| 01:24 | kados | ok ... well strangely it's not working ... |
| 01:25 | instead of nicely formatted inputs I'm just getting a MARC string when I click on each record | |
| 01:25 | do you have the whole app running locally? | |
| 01:25 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/ | |
| 01:25 | ? | |
| 01:25 | destinati | Take an XML file generated from the query |
| 01:26 | then add <?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" href="MARCEdit.xsl"?> to the top of it | |
| 01:26 | and put it in the same directory as the XSL | |
| 01:26 | then view that XML in firefox | |
| 01:27 | also.. don't be afraid to do a ggVg= in vim | |
| 01:27 | :) | |
| 01:27 | kados | :-) |
| 01:27 | destinati | er |
| 01:27 | ggVG= | |
| 01:28 | kados | so what does the xmlns:marc="http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim" do for me? |
| 01:28 | it's at the top of my .xls | |
| 01:28 | could that be the problem? | |
| 01:28 | (I really need this to work on dynamic results | |
| 01:28 | destinati | that's telling the XML parser that there is a namespace |
| 01:28 | named marc | |
| 01:28 | kados | that's what I thought |
| 01:29 | so marc:datafield is referencing that right? | |
| 01:29 | should it be //marc:datafield or just marc:datafield? | |
| 01:29 | destinati | you don't need the exclude part at the top |
| 01:30 | it depends on how you're processing the XSL | |
| 01:30 | try "//datafield" instead of "//marc:datafield" | |
| 01:30 | the "//" part is an XPath expression that says "look everywhere below my current position in the XML tree" | |
| 01:31 | it's a bit confusing | |
| 01:31 | kados | hmmm ... no luck |
| 01:32 | destinati | what is doing the XSL processing |
| 01:32 | how are you invoking it? | |
| 01:32 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 01:32 | it's in javascript | |
| 01:32 | and I can get some xsl processing to work ... | |
| 01:33 | i.e., I had it working when I was specifying specific tag/subfields | |
| 01:33 | destinati | above the for-each part, put <b><xsl:value-of select="count(//marc:datafield)"/></b> |
| 01:34 | and see what the value is in bold in the generated page | |
| 01:35 | kados | nothing seems to be |
| 01:35 | destinati | you don't even see 0? |
| 01:35 | kados | hmmm |
| 01:35 | have you tried it: | |
| 01:35 | http://bobcat2.cs.ohiou.edu/ | |
| 01:35 | do a search (I use 'qwerty' as a keyword) | |
| 01:36 | it will return a list of records | |
| 01:36 | click on one and the right-hand side will display a MARC string | |
| 01:37 | that is supposed to be generated by the xslt transformation | |
| 01:38 | destinati | seems like you're getting just the xml |
| 01:38 | for example, put a "HELLO WORLD!" above the <form> | |
| 01:39 | yeah.. your xsl isn't running | |
| 01:39 | kados | yea ... so maybe the xsl isn't valid or something |
| 01:40 | destinati | try modifying your top of the XSL to |
| 01:40 | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?> | |
| 01:40 | <xsl:stylesheet version="1.0" | |
| 01:40 | xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform"> | |
| 01:41 | well.. you can even add the exclude part before the > | |
| 01:41 | although I've never used exclude-result-prefixes before | |
| 01:42 | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?> | |
| 01:42 | <xsl:stylesheet version="1.0" | |
| 01:42 | xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" exclude-result-prefixes="marc"> | |
| 01:43 | kados | what about the marc: namespage? |
| 01:43 | namespace even | |
| 01:44 | hehe | |
| 01:44 | now I get a "to be implemented' warning from firefox | |
| 01:46 | destinati | I need to be going soon, but if I follow your code.. your having the lookup in the main.js |
| 01:46 | kados | yep |
| 01:47 | destinati | and the loadRecord doing the style |
| 01:47 | kados | so I had a stylesheet working |
| 01:47 | right | |
| 01:47 | all I've changed is the stylesheet ;-) | |
| 01:47 | right loadRecord handles the onclick event | |
| 01:48 | destinati | I haven't dabbled to much in JavaScript, but... |
| 01:49 | are you using processed at all? | |
| 01:49 | yes | |
| 01:49 | in the append | |
| 01:49 | kados | yea ... afaik it's the fragment |
| 01:50 | var processed = processor.transformToFragment(myRecord,document); | |
| 01:54 | destinati | I'm not sure about the javascript, I haven't used that before |
| 01:54 | but if you take your current XSL | |
| 01:55 | and replace the select="marc:datafield" | |
| 01:55 | with select="//marc:datafield" | |
| 01:55 | and then take a sample XML output | |
| 01:55 | and put the processing tags that I mentioned way above | |
| 01:55 | it works | |
| 01:55 | so the problem lies in the javascript | |
| 01:56 | keep in mind that you have to put "//marc:datafield" instead of "marc:datafield" | |
| 01:56 | because | |
| 01:56 | of where you are in the XML tree at the time you do the for-each | |
| 01:56 | you're one above the <collection> | |
| 01:56 | that is.. the root | |
| 01:56 | so you could put... | |
| 01:57 | <xsl:for-each select="/marc:collection/marc:record/marc:datafield"> | |
| 01:57 | or | |
| 01:57 | <xsl:for-each select="//marc:datafield"> | |
| 01:57 | they both will get you what you want | |
| 01:57 | the bottom has a cleaner XPath | |
| 01:58 | if you just put <xsl:for-each select="marc:datafield"> | |
| 01:58 | you'll get nowhere | |
| 01:58 | because at that point | |
| 01:58 | in the tree the items to iterate through are just... <marc:collection> | |
| 01:58 | does that make sense? | |
| 01:59 | also... | |
| 01:59 | note that once you do the "for-each" your scope changes | |
| 01:59 | to that of the datafield tag | |
| 02:00 | so if inside of the for-each you put <xsl:value-of select="marc:datafield/@tag"/> | |
| 02:00 | you'll get nowhere | |
| 02:00 | because that would need an XML structure of | |
| 02:00 | <datafield><datafield> | |
| 02:00 | remember.. XSL is all about where are you in the XML doc | |
| 02:01 | since you are already in a datafield element tag | |
| 02:01 | you can just put "@tag" | |
| 02:01 | since that means "where I am now, take the tag attribute" | |
| 02:01 | I need to get going | |
| 02:02 | hopefully some of what I said was helpful.. and didn't get you offtrack | |
| 02:02 | XML is very powerful and once you get the hang of it.. it'll make even more sense.. and you'll see the real power | |
| 02:03 | Good Luck, talk to you later | |
| 02:04 | kados | cool ...thanks for the explaination ... I'll try to apply it |
| 02:04 | ciao | |
| 02:04 | destinati | :) |
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