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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 16:20 | paul_away | hello kiwi librarian ! |
| 16:21 | rosa | hello paul |
| 16:21 | paul | chris told me you were now on Koha 2.2.4 |
| 16:21 | rosa | yes, indeed |
| 16:21 | paul | happy with it ? |
| 16:22 | (you have a very very very nice theme indeed) | |
| 16:22 | rosa | that's due to Katipo's smart designers |
| 16:23 | paul | yes. I would be very happy if it were used in Koha 3.0. |
| 16:23 | rosa | we've lost a bit of functionality, and chris has struggles to replace some other bits of functionality. We're very happy with the new OPACs |
| 16:24 | and we're certainly not unhappy with the whole | |
| 21:50 | chris | hi |
| 21:50 | destinati | Hello |
| 21:51 | I don't suppose anyone there is willing to help a Koha newbie? :) | |
| 21:51 | chris | i can give it a try |
| 21:51 | welcome back mike | |
| 21:51 | Mike | thanks chris |
| 21:52 | destinati | I'm setting up Koha 2.2.4 up for a collection of about 3,000 items |
| 21:52 | chris | righto |
| 21:52 | destinati | Ideally, we'd like to have it be a kiosk |
| 21:52 | Mike | i'll just lurk here while I play with my own install, will ask when I have something specific. |
| 21:53 | destinati | where people simply walk up to it and scan their books at a barcode reader |
| 21:53 | so we can keep track of things | |
| 21:53 | No real librarians there to assist | |
| 21:53 | chris | right |
| 21:53 | destinati | That's the long term goal anyway |
| 21:53 | chris | id take a look here |
| 21:53 | destinati | But, I have a few smaller issues first |
| 21:53 | I'm running Apache 2.0 on a Windows XP box | |
| 21:53 | and I used the 2.2.3 installer | |
| 21:53 | chris | http://liblime.com/c/demos.html#selfcheckdemo |
| 21:54 | destinati | and then moved the appropriate 2.2.4 code to the right folders |
| 21:54 | chris | ahh |
| 21:54 | destinati | and everything works well when I go to opac and intranet |
| 21:54 | except.. well, the menus are a bit off | |
| 21:54 | It's probably a css/javascript mismatch | |
| 21:54 | chris | that will only work if nothing has changed inthe database structure between 2.2.3 and 2.2.4 and i think some has |
| 21:55 | destinati | but.. in FireFox and Internet Explorer... the members screen is about halfway in the screen |
| 21:55 | and hovering above the top menus displays on the top half of the screen | |
| 21:55 | chris | sounds like a css problem to me |
| 21:56 | unfortunately i dont know much about html/css ... i do the stuff in the background :) | |
| 21:56 | destinati | Hopefully I'll get to that soon |
| 21:56 | During the day I work as a software engineer | |
| 21:56 | chris | cool |
| 21:57 | destinati | One of the initial things I want to do is set up our bar code reader so that all that I have to do is scan the ISBN number |
| 21:57 | and have it pull the catalog data in from other sources | |
| 21:57 | chris | yep, thats possible, the problem is |
| 21:57 | destinati | like Amazon or Library of Congress |
| 21:57 | chris | its very hard to get the z3950 code to work under windows |
| 21:57 | it makes use of a perl module called Event.pm | |
| 21:57 | destinati | I've read about that |
| 21:58 | chris | that i dont think anyone has managed to install on windows yet |
| 21:58 | destinati | Maybe I'm confused |
| 21:58 | I've sent an XML query to a library of congress gateway | |
| 21:58 | and got the reply with the catalog info | |
| 21:59 | So, I was thinking that the bar code reader scans... types the numbers in.. presses enter | |
| 21:59 | the perl code hits that server with the ISBN | |
| 21:59 | gets the data back | |
| 21:59 | and then populates the database | |
| 21:59 | probably as fast as the person can pick up a book and scan it | |
| 21:59 | ? | |
| 22:00 | I'm probably missing something though | |
| 22:00 | chris | yep thats right |
| 22:01 | but the way Koha does it, is by use of a z3950 client that hits the library of congress's z3950 server | |
| 22:01 | which works on unix/linux .. doesnt work so well on windows | |
| 22:02 | the idea is that z39.50 is a standard, so you can query lots of different libraries with it | |
| 22:02 | destinati | Right. That makes sense |
| 22:02 | Is there a standard way to get book images? | |
| 22:03 | I saw that the Nelsonville library had cover photos | |
| 22:03 | chris | its due for a rewrite for koha 3.0 (coming out next year) and it should be much more robust, and work on windows |
| 22:03 | hmm i dont think so, im not sure where they got their images from, perhaps amazon | |
| 22:03 | i dont think any of them are around at the moment | |
| 22:04 | kados is on, but i think lurking | |
| 22:04 | the main issue with images afaik is copyright | |
| 22:05 | technically its really easy to grab them from somewhere like amazon .. legally .. well thats another question :) | |
| 22:05 | destinati | Seems like it's fair use |
| 22:05 | chris | i think if you register with amazon, you can use them, or something like that |
| 22:06 | it would seem like it ... but then most IP contradicts any common sense anyway :) | |
| 22:06 | IP law that is | |
| 22:07 | destinati | Ah ha! I feel like I deserve an egg on my face. I noticed that when I logged on to the intranet site it still said "Welcome to Koha 2.2.3".. I fixed the etc, but aparently didn't change a certain line in my Apache config file... so it pointed to an old directory.. now the menu problem is gone |
| 22:07 | chris | :-) |
| 22:07 | destinati | rookie mistake :) |
| 22:09 | unfortunately there is a server error at the self checkout demo | |
| 22:10 | If you were going to start a library right now, would you use 2.2.4 or a 3.0 beta? | |
| 22:10 | Since you have been in the code | |
| 22:11 | chris | definitely 2.2.4 |
| 22:11 | 3.0 will probably eat your data, and corrupt your children or something | |
| 22:11 | destinati | haha |
| 22:11 | chris | its not close to beta yet |
| 22:11 | destinati | Anything is better than our current system |
| 22:11 | currently we have a pretty big room filled with books | |
| 22:12 | and when people want to check out something, they fill out a card with the name of the book and their name | |
| 22:12 | and put it in a basket | |
| 22:12 | It's a lot on the honor system | |
| 22:12 | chris | :) |
| 22:12 | destinati | That's how it's been for years |
| 22:12 | And then I came onboard | |
| 22:12 | chris | i reckon liblimes self checkout might be worth looking at |
| 22:12 | destinati | Sort of the "nerd to the rescue" |
| 22:13 | chris | except its erroring at the moment, i better let kados know :) |
| 22:13 | destinati | Well, before we get to the self-checkout.. we have to issue cards to about 500 people |
| 22:14 | That's a logistics issue in itself | |
| 22:14 | chris | true |
| 22:14 | destinati | I wanted to get a biometric device |
| 22:14 | but that was scary to some... | |
| 22:15 | russ | retina scan and thumb print to issue an item :-) |
| 22:15 | destinati | hehe.. no |
| 22:15 | surely there is a way to get a nice string of numbers from a thumbprint alone | |
| 22:15 | Don't need to go *over*board :) | |
| 22:16 | Hmm.. I'm trying to see what's the most painfree way of sending just an ISBN to the LOC and getting data back on the Windows side | |
| 22:16 | How normalized are the tables? | |
| 22:17 | Let's see... | |
| 22:17 | 7 biblio* tables | |
| 22:17 | chris | there are a bunch of routines to help you |
| 22:18 | because you want to populate the marc tables also | |
| 22:18 | C4::Biblio | |
| 22:18 | is the perl module that has all the routines for adding an modify | |
| 22:18 | destinati | All I want to do is have a way to populate as much as possible so that I can have my wife scan just the ISBN |
| 22:18 | chris | right |
| 22:18 | destinati | because she'd have fun with that part |
| 22:18 | chris | something like this |
| 22:19 | use C4::Biblio; | |
| 22:19 | get isbn number from input | |
| 22:19 | find matching bibliographic record | |
| 22:19 | then | |
| 22:20 | my $biblio= { title => the title , | |
| 22:20 | author=>author | |
| 22:20 | subtitle=>subtitle | |
| 22:20 | seriestitle=> | |
| 22:20 | coprightdate=> | |
| 22:20 | abstract=> | |
| 22:20 | notes=> | |
| 22:20 | }; | |
| 22:21 | my $biblionumber= newbiblio($biblio); | |
| 22:21 | then | |
| 22:21 | my $biblioitem = { | |
| 22:21 | biblionumber => $biblionumber, | |
| 22:21 | itemtype => whatever you fetched | |
| 22:22 | isbn => isbn | |
| 22:22 | publishercode=> | |
| 22:22 | ... | |
| 22:22 | notes => | |
| 22:22 | }; | |
| 22:22 | my $biblioitemnumber=newbiblioitem($biblioitem); | |
| 22:22 | and finally the item | |
| 22:23 | my $item={ | |
| 22:23 | biblionumber=$biblionumber, | |
| 22:23 | biblioitemnumber=$biblioitemnumber, | |
| 22:23 | sorry that should be | |
| 22:23 | biblionumber=>$biblionumber, | |
| 22:23 | biblioitemnumber=<$biblioitemnumber, | |
| 22:23 | biblioitemnumber=>$biblioitemnumber, | |
| 22:23 | even | |
| 22:24 | homebranch=>branchcode | |
| 22:24 | holdingbranch=>branchcode, | |
| 22:24 | replacementprice=> | |
| 22:24 | }; | |
| 22:24 | destinati | oh wow.. quite extensive on the properties |
| 22:24 | Is it smart to go that route or should I do it via MARC? | |
| 22:24 | chris | my $barcode='some unique identifier'; |
| 22:25 | newitems($item,($barcode)); | |
| 22:25 | that will populate the marc and biblio tables | |
| 22:25 | or you can fetch marc records | |
| 22:25 | and use bulkmarcimport.pl to load them in | |
| 22:26 | destinati | Hmm.. I may be foiled again |
| 22:26 | It seems that on most books I just have the UPC | |
| 22:26 | so I'll have to translate that first | |
| 22:28 | Do you run the Katip library? | |
| 22:28 | er | |
| 22:28 | Katipo | |
| 22:31 | chris | nope im a programmer |
| 22:31 | katipo only has a little library | |
| 22:31 | (we wrote koha originally) | |
| 22:35 | destinati | What do you use as your IDE? |
| 22:37 | russ | Integrated Development Environment? |
| 22:37 | destinati | correct |
| 22:37 | or do you just use Vim or Emacs? | |
| 22:37 | chris | i use jed |
| 22:37 | screen + ssh + jed and a web browser | |
| 22:38 | is about all i need | |
| 22:38 | destinati | ah |
| 22:41 | Hmm, I suppose I should set up the library before the script | |
| 22:41 | I think I remember seeing documentation on what I should do | |
| 22:41 | Adding a branch... | |
| 22:41 | chris | www.kohadocs.org |
| 22:41 | lots of help there | |
| 22:42 | http://www.kohadocs.org/newbieguide.html is a good one | |
| 22:43 | destinati | Thanks. I appreciate your help... especially the Perl |
| 22:43 | chris | no problem |
| 22:46 | destinati | Does Stephen Hedges stop by here? |
| 22:46 | chris | at times, i havent seen him in a little while though |
| 22:47 | destinati | I'd be curious to ask him how they did the images |
| 22:47 | chris | owen or kados would know too, owen isnt here, and kados might be asleep though |
| 22:48 | destinati | I imagine it's about 3:48 PM on Friday there? |
| 22:48 | (I'm in Indianapolis, Indiana in the USA... it's 9:48 PM here.. on Thursday) | |
| 22:49 | chris | where in nz? yes |
| 22:49 | kados is in ohio tho ;) | |
| 22:49 | destinati | Ah ha! |
| 22:49 | 10:49 PM then :) | |
| 23:09 | Would you happen to know if I used the suggestion on http://perl.z3950.org/support/windows.html | |
| 23:09 | if the z3950 code in Koha would work? | |
| 23:10 | chris | not sure |
| 23:11 | destinati | Maybe an even more basic question... where does one go to use the Z3950 code in the UI? |
| 23:11 | chris | you would have to rewrite some code but it should/might work |
| 23:11 | you need marc cataloguing turned on | |
| 23:11 | then in acquisitions | |
| 23:14 | destinati | Hmm. |
| 23:14 | Acquisitions complains about no book funds.. but when I add a book fund.. it lets me do it.. but it doesn't seem to save it | |
| 23:15 | chris | i suspect as you installed 2.2.3 that there might have been some changes in the database structure between it and 2.2.4 |
| 23:15 | destinati | hmm |
| 23:16 | chris | but, you dont need bookfunds to use the z3950 |
| 23:16 | if you go to systempreferences | |
| 23:16 | and swithc acquisitions to simple | |
| 23:16 | then try again | |
| 23:16 | destinati | None of the variables show up |
| 23:17 | Perhaps it's easier to throw away the database and start over before proceeding | |
| 23:17 | is there a simple SQL that sets up everything for 2.2.4? | |
| 23:17 | I have no books in the database now | |
| 23:17 | chris | there is a script |
| 23:17 | called updatedatabase | |
| 23:17 | destinati | MySQL SQL rather |
| 23:17 | I mean.. script of SQL commands | |
| 23:17 | chris | if you perl updatedabase |
| 23:17 | that oughta do it | |
| 23:18 | its run by koha.upgrade when u upgrade | |
| 23:18 | destinati | from windows? :) |
| 23:18 | I didn't know if there were things like bash scripts in there | |
| 23:18 | chris | its perl |
| 23:18 | destinati | or some other *nix specifics |
| 23:18 | right right | |
| 23:18 | worth a shot | |
| 23:19 | chris | so you should be able to run it, it must have been run to set up the 2.2.3 database |
| 23:19 | destinati | the koha.upgrade is located where? |
| 23:19 | chris | pass on windows |
| 23:19 | if you download the tarball | |
| 23:19 | from sourceforge | |
| 23:20 | it should be in the base of that | |
| 23:20 | and in scripts/updater | |
| 23:20 | destinati | hmm |
| 23:20 | chris | there is updatedatabase |
| 23:21 | destinati | It's definitely meant to be run from an ANSI terminal |
| 23:21 | chris | koha.upgrade is |
| 23:21 | but updatedatabase shouldnt need to be | |
| 23:21 | destinati | seems good |
| 23:21 | It ran without errors I think | |
| 23:22 | Once again, you are right | |
| 23:22 | Now the book funds work | |
| 23:22 | chris | cool |
| 23:22 | destinati | and the variables too |
| 23:23 | chris | i think you can only use the z3950 in simple acquisitions |
| 23:24 | destinati | ok set |
| 23:33 | hmm.. seems like it'll take awhile. I'll chalk today up as a learning experience and getting it going. Perhaps tomorrow I can delve more into the z3950. Thanks again Chris for your help. I'm off to bed. Have a great afternoon! | |
| 23:33 | chris | cya later, good luck |
| 23:33 | destinati | I'll let the connection linger and see if I pick up any tips ;) |
| 23:33 | chris | http://koha.org/irc/ |
| 23:33 | its all logged | |
| 23:34 | destinati | Good to know :) |
| 23:52 | chris | score |
| 23:52 | chicken for dinner | |
| 23:52 | doh wrong channel again | |
| 23:52 | man ive been doing that all day | |
| 23:52 | welcome back mike .. as you can see, im happy that im having chicken for dinner tonight :) | |
| 23:53 | MikeL | what time is it in NZ ? |
| 23:54 | rach | 4.54pm |
| 23:54 | definitly dinner planning time | |
| 23:54 | chris | 6 minutes till the weekend :) |
| 23:54 | MikeL | You have 6 mins before your knock off time :-) |
| 23:55 | is anyone there is an expert on apache setup? | |
| 23:56 | chris | im not an expert, i can usually find my way round though |
| 23:57 | the problem you will have | |
| 23:57 | is that koha expects /cgi-bin/koha/somethting.pl | |
| 23:58 | MikeL | yes so I will need an alias certainly |
| 23:58 | chris | and maybe even mod_rewrite |
| 23:58 | since both the opac and the intranet expect things in /cgi-bin/koha | |
| 23:59 | MikeL | I used Alias /opac /home/koha/koha/opac/cgi-bin |
| 23:59 | chris | yep which is ok, until you try and submit a form |
| 23:59 | and thats submitting to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl | |
| 00:00 | MikeL | and ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/koha/ /home/koha/koha/opac/cgi-bin/ |
| 00:01 | chris | i think you'll bump into problems with the intranet |
| 00:01 | i dont think ScriptAlias and Alias can be restricted to a directory | |
| 00:02 | MikeL | thats right, and same for DocumentRoot |
| 00:02 | chris | so when it comes to /home/koha/intranet/cgi-bin which is expected to be /cgi-bin/koha |
| 00:02 | its going to clash with the opac | |
| 00:02 | MikeL | correct |
| 00:03 | chris | you could just dump all the scripts in /home/koha/intranet/cgi-bin |
| 00:04 | MikeL | yuk, that would be non-standard |
| 00:04 | chris | yep |
| 00:04 | and insecure | |
| 00:04 | MikeL | maybe I just need a modification of the VirtualHost directive. |
| 00:04 | chris | or you could edit the templates for the opac |
| 00:04 | but that would be a lot of work | |
| 00:05 | MikeL | What I have is a server at royalsoc.org.au that has two entries in httpd.conf |
| 00:05 | www.royalsoc.org.au and nsw.royalsoc.org.au and our provider has entries for those in their DNS | |
| 00:06 | They are in <VirtualHost> directives. | |
| 00:06 | chris | right |
| 00:07 | you could www.royalsoc.org.au/opac | |
| 00:07 | and royalsoc.org.nz/koha or the like | |
| 00:07 | MikeL | thats exactly what I want |
| 00:07 | I want users to see http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au/opac | |
| 00:07 | chris | what id do then |
| 00:08 | in that virtualhost | |
| 00:08 | Alias /opac/ /home/koha/opacs/htdocs | |
| 00:08 | ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/koha/ /home/koha/opac/cgi-bin/ | |
| 00:08 | MikeL | OH! I have been thinking of how to add Extra VH's |
| 00:09 | I didnt think of adding commands INSIDE the existing ones. | |
| 00:12 | But what would I do about DocRoot. At present I have /home/rsnsw/web/nsw | |
| 00:12 | but opac would need to use /home/koha/koha/opac/htdocs | |
| 00:12 | chris | hmm im not sure you need to change it |
| 00:13 | no, cos there is only one static html page | |
| 00:13 | the rest are all scripts | |
| 00:13 | so if you alias | |
| 00:13 | Alias /opac /home/koha/opac/htdocs | |
| 00:14 | then nsw.royalsoc.org.au/opac will get you to that page, which redirects you to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl | |
| 00:14 | and the .pl files all use html::template .. and they know where to get the templates from /etc/koha.conf | |
| 00:14 | MikeL | am making the edits now..... :-) |
| 00:15 | chris | hmm, it may have problems with the images tho ;( |
| 00:18 | MikeL | yeah lots of errors in apache logs: it cant open templates |
| 00:19 | chris | darn |
| 00:20 | hmm | |
| 00:21 | what does it say in you /etc/koha.conf | |
| 00:22 | MikeL | The welcome appears monentarily, then get errors |
| 00:22 | chris | whats the error in the error log ? |
| 00:23 | MikeL | opacdir=/home/koha/koha/opac |
| 00:23 | chris | is there a opachtdocs= bit as well? |
| 00:24 | MikeL | opachtdocs=/home/koha/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl |
| 00:24 | chris | and thats right? |
| 00:24 | MikeL | yes |
| 00:24 | There is a user called koha hence /home/koha | |
| 00:24 | chris | do you have the PERL5LIB line in your virtual host? |
| 00:24 | MikeL | and the software is installed ina koha dircetory under that user |
| 00:24 | chris | right |
| 00:25 | SetEnv PERL5LIB /home/koha/koha/intranet/modules | |
| 00:26 | MikeL | I have a small cgi script to show vars and it shows PERL5LIB=/home/koha/koha/intranet/modules |
| 00:26 | chris | cool |
| 00:26 | in the error log whats it saying when you hit http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au/cgi[…]koha/opac-main.pl | |
| 00:27 | MikeL | wait and I'll copy it. |
| 00:27 | chris | cool |
| 00:29 | MikeL | go to http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au/~mikel/ |
| 00:30 | The install of the Koha software went fine ASAIK | |
| 00:30 | chris | yep looks ok to me |
| 00:30 | although this doesnt look go | |
| 00:30 | od | |
| 00:31 | MikeL | I put the errors from apache up there. |
| 00:31 | chris | read_config_file(/home/koha/koha/etc/koha.conf) returned undef at /home/koha/koha/intranet/modules/C4/Context.pm line 229. |
| 00:31 | or is that where the config file is? | |
| 00:31 | MikeL | its at /home/koha/koha/etc/koha.conf |
| 00:32 | i can post it if needed sans password | |
| 00:32 | chris | is it readable by the user that apache runs as? |
| 00:32 | MikeL | No, oops |
| 00:33 | chris | hopefully youll get a different set of errors now :) |
| 00:33 | MikeL | Koha now appears ! |
| 00:33 | chris | sans images |
| 00:34 | and stylesheets | |
| 00:34 | MikeL | yes sans images |
| 00:34 | chris | now we can fix the stylesheet problem |
| 00:34 | if you jump into the koha database (we'd do this in the librarian interface if it was up and running normally) | |
| 00:34 | and do a | |
| 00:34 | select * from systempreferences; | |
| 00:35 | MikeL | okies , wait atic |
| 00:37 | chris | there is a row that has opacstylesheet as its variable |
| 00:37 | so if we do | |
| 00:37 | MikeL | yes |
| 00:37 | what do I adjust | |
| 00:38 | also maybe I should do a chown koha:www-data to the koha files so apache can read them all ? | |
| 00:38 | I just did it to koha.conf only | |
| 00:38 | chris | update systempreferences set value="http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au/opa[…]ng/stylesheet.css" where variable='opacstylesheet'; |
| 00:38 | im unsure of what the correct url is | |
| 00:38 | ill just try to find out | |
| 00:38 | MikeL | okies I'll look |
| 00:39 | chris | ahh if we put in our virtual host |
| 00:39 | Alias /opac/includes/ /home/koha/koha/opac/htdocs/includes/ | |
| 00:39 | then value="http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au/opac/includes/main.css" | |
| 00:40 | in the sql above | |
| 00:40 | ok, my wife has just arrived home, so i have to wander off for a bit, ill be back a bit later | |
| 00:40 | MikeL | ok |
| 00:58 | under opac I have htdocs/opac-tmpl/ with the different templates there and no main.css , maybe its opac.css. | |
| 00:58 | Anyhow this has got me closer to getting the thing up. I'll get the intranet working. | |
| 01:24 | For chris if he gets back. I setup an additional VirtualHost 123.456.123.456:8080 and the deafult koha settings. It seems to be working now. | |
| 01:44 | rachel | ah good |
| 01:50 | MikeL | Just got Koha going 10 mins ago at http://nsw.royalsoc.org.au:8080 |
| 01:52 | You may remember we met in Sydney, I was just at the time considering Koha for the Royal Society of NSW | |
| 02:04 | list | |
| 04:25 | rachel | hi paul |
| 04:25 | paul | hi paul |
| 04:25 | you are warned on your desktop when someone tries to attack your computer ! | |
| 04:44 | rachel | how many have you had? |
| 04:44 | paul | for instance, just one, tried by me ;-) |
| 04:44 | (was just to test) | |
| 04:45 | si | paul: what constitutes an attack? |
| 04:45 | port scans? | |
| 04:45 | paul | hi si. |
| 04:45 | si | hiya |
| 04:45 | paul | yes, for instance. |
| 04:45 | (for example) | |
| 04:46 | but I think there are other warnings. like brute force attack on SSH | |
| 04:46 | si | try |
| 04:48 | did you catch that one? | |
| 04:48 | paul | nope. |
| 04:49 | which ip ? | |
| 04:49 | si | 213.41.174.86 |
| 04:50 | is what I scanned | |
| 04:50 | paul | mmm... should have warned me... |
| 04:50 | si | coming from 202.50.109.222 |
| 04:50 | I just did :-) | |
| 04:52 | paul | (on phone) |
| 05:04 | chris | paul: you will appreciate this http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sect[…]ObjectID=10352414 |
| 07:49 | Sylvain | hi |
| 10:37 | kados | paul: just sent 'decision' to koha-devel on PROG |
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