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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:06 | paul | hi joshua |
| 12:57 | thd | good evening paul |
| 19:31 | chris: have all your fixes for normal acquisitions been committed to 2.2.4? | |
| 19:32 | chris | no |
| 19:33 | thd | chris: what remains to be committed or in what way are the current commits still broken? |
| 19:34 | rosa: do your suppliers usually show per item shipping when they send you something? | |
| 19:34 | chris | sorry too busy to go into it today |
| 19:35 | thd | chris: ok, when do you expect that you may commit those updates? |
| 19:36 | s/updates/fixes/ | |
| 19:39 | rosa: I mean to ask do your suppliers usually itemise carriage or freight charges when they send you something? | |
| 19:47 | chris | sometime after the 24th |
| 19:47 | rosa | thd, no they don't, but Koha does |
| 19:48 | we have a little screen that pops up, asks for the invoice number, the freight charge if any, and how many items. then Koha goes and divides the freight charge between however many items there are | |
| 19:49 | tkaes off the discount, adds or subtracts the tax (as applicable) and tell us how much the item actually cost. | |
| 19:49 | Very smart. Take a bow, Chris | |
| 20:06 | thd | rosa: chris may be too busy to take a bow :) |
| 20:19 | rosa: I actually did not find that Koha was dividing the shipping price by the number of items shipped currently but that may be one of the fine things that chris has had to fix after other programmers neglected to maintain the acquisitions code through revisions in Koha. | |
| 20:23 | rosa: If I had observed Koha dividing the shipping by the number of items, I would not have been prompted to ask whether your suppliers had done that for you. | |
| 20:25 | rosa: How do you track when an order is later than you would have expected it to arrive? | |
| 20:43 | rosa: I mean what process do you use for identifying delinquent orders that have not yet arrived? I realise an SQL statement could be constructed to search for unfulfilled orders but do you do anything special to track the not yet published and therefore not yet available differently from the should be on hand in the warehouse and available for immediate shipment? | |
| 21:38 | rosa | sorry, thd, called away. We order a lot of stuff from prepublication blurbs - and some of the books get delayed. Some never do get published. So we don't panic too much bout unfilled orders. The better suppliers keep us informaed about cancelled or delayed publications. |
| 21:39 | Every so often - maybe every three months we look back at what hasn't arrived. We inquire about the items we really care about, and cancel the other orders | |
| 01:23 | hdl | hi |
| 01:23 | russ around ? | |
| 01:25 | I'd like to know if it would be possible to get the Koha website template to make French site have the same look and feel. | |
| 01:25 | russ, shaun ? | |
| 02:29 | rach | hdl - do you want it sent to you? |
| 02:29 | you can grab it off the website if you're happy to do that | |
| 02:30 | ie just get the source etc | |
| 03:41 | hdl | rach : I can grab it. But I don't have any Kea instance Installed on my Computer and no access to the server to get the files. |
| 03:41 | If you allow me an acces, I'll grab it. | |
| 03:46 | paul | hdl : and what about a ctrl-c ctrl-v of source code and image (with wget, you can get them easily) |
| 03:47 | hdl | ok. |
| 03:47 | I would have liked to know a bit more about Kea. But if I can get css with this... | |
| 06:18 | thd | good afternoon paul |
| 06:24 | paul: you have done some work to allow the user to set the value of biblionumber from something other than 090 $c if I read some comments on recent versions of Biblio.pm correctly. | |
| 06:25 | paul: you also indicate that it has not yet been deeply tested. | |
| 06:29 | paul: What bad effects would I find from filling the mapped MARC subfield for itemnumber with an old itemnumber and then passing the records through bulkmarcimport.pl? | |
| 06:39 | paul: my intention would be to reuse itemnumbers that Koha already had given to the items so that I could export records in MARC format manipulate them externally and reimport them without losing their associated status from the issues or other status tables not contained in the record. | |
| 06:44 | paul: I would of course delete the associated records from Koha before reimporting. | |
| 07:44 | paul: I see what would need to be changed now in Biblio.pm and bulkmarcimport.pl for this to work. | |
| 07:46 | paul: Sorry, I needed to actually ask the question of you to help myself think about the problem more clearly :) | |
| 09:32 | hdl: why does the constraint on the koha-fr.org demo seem to be less than 200 characters for the ISBD parameter at http://demo.koha-fr.org/cgi-bi[…]&searchfield=ISBD ? | |
| 09:42 | hdl | thd: the constraint was obsolete. |
| 09:42 | You can test again. | |
| 09:42 | Be warn : 2.2.4 is on. | |
| 09:43 | hi kdaos | |
| 09:43 | kados | |
| 09:43 | kados | hwdy |
| 09:43 | hdl | good |
| 09:43 | thd | hdl: Well I am happy that you have converted to 2.2.4 |
| 09:43 | paul | hello joshua. |
| 09:44 | hdl | how are you ? |
| 09:44 | thd: you're welcome | |
| 09:44 | I ever wonder whether to pass to the new version little before or after the release. | |
| 09:45 | kados | how about you guys? |
| 09:46 | paul: about funding for Perl-ZOOM: Meadville has delayed the decision once again ... now they will meet on the 27th of this month and have a decision! | |
| 09:46 | paul | too bad... |
| 09:47 | kados | I hope it is in our favour ;-) |
| 09:47 | paul | hdl and me are waiting for a new contract, with a math library. Decided, just waiting for the snail mail with order |
| 09:48 | kados | nice |
| 09:48 | paul | i also have been in contact with 2 BdP in 2 days. In France, BdP are county-wide libraries, that issues books to small libraries in the "department" (something like county). |
| 09:48 | they would suggest Koha for small to very small libraries. | |
| 09:48 | kados | great! |
| 09:48 | problem with very small libraries | |
| 09:49 | is that they have _no_ money ;-) | |
| 09:49 | paul | + we are looking for a hosted proposal for such libraries. |
| 09:49 | kados | cool ... yea our hosted site is working out pretty well |
| 09:49 | paul | the last woman I spoke with 2 hours ago spoke of 2000€ all included. |
| 09:49 | as i was afraid it would be ;-) | |
| 09:49 | kados | yea ;-) |
| 09:50 | some other windows-based programs can easily be downloaded, installed and up-and-running for a few hundred dollars | |
| 09:50 | and it's been hard to convince a library with a total budget of 35,000 USD that they should spend 10,000 on a new ILS ;-) | |
| 09:51 | when they can spend just a few hundred for an inferior product ;-) | |
| 09:51 | thd | kados: what are the windows based programs that people are using for a few hundred dollars |
| 09:51 | ? | |
| 09:51 | kados | Sagebrush Athena for one |
| 09:52 | thd | kados: That is only a few hundred dollars? |
| 09:52 | kados | I think about 900 per year |
| 09:52 | I was pretty surprised myself ... | |
| 09:52 | though I think that is for an older version | |
| 09:52 | thd | kados: How much inferior is the current version of Sagebrush? |
| 09:53 | kados | thd: haven't seen it |
| 09:53 | thd | kados: please stay one moment. |
| 09:55 | kados: Do you know any reason why repeated ISBNs have not been filling biblioitems.isbn with more than one value since 2.2.4? | |
| 09:58 | kados: I have not identified the bug yet and hdl has no clue. I thought just maybe you changed something for supporting Amazon with only one value in biblioitems.isbn where otherwise the library record might have both an ISBN for the hardcover and softcover when both are known following standard cataloguing practise. | |
| 10:01 | kados | I've not got a clue why that would be |
| 10:01 | nope ... didn't make a change like that | |
| 10:02 | thd | kados: Ok, just checking to be thorough :) |
| 10:03 | hdl: Is your update to the demo for 2.2.4 complete yet? | |
| 10:04 | hdl | yes. |
| 10:05 | thd | hdl: everything is fine now. I was seeing something in the midst of transition that was not right :) |
| 10:11 | paul: Did "2000€ all included" also include migrating the data from a previous system? | |
| 10:11 | paul | no, fortunatly ! we are speaking of very small libraries, with no ILS |
| 10:12 | thd | paul: You mean the ones that still rely upon a card file? |
| 10:12 | paul | yes. |
| 10:12 | a lot in France, as we have -very- small cities. | |
| 10:13 | For example, i've a RFP to answer : 7 cities, between 350 and 1500 inhabitants. | |
| 10:13 | and less than 15 000 books for all the 7 | |
| 10:15 | thd | paul: The computer has not been applied to everything already as thoroughly in France as it has in the Anglo-American world? |
| 10:16 | paul | yes but not in small libraries, with very little money, or no money at all. some rely on 2-3 benevolents, and 300 books offered by someone + 500 books coming each quarter from BDP (and returned 6 months later) |
| 10:16 | thd | paul: France should have been ahead of the rest of the world for computerisation since the introduction of MINITEL. |
| 10:19 | paul: Most of the world including the US are behind France in still using a paper telephone directory. | |
| 10:26 | paul: I have seen libraries in the US where most of the staff are volunteers with similar size collections to what you describe where sometimes someone in the community has created a simple non-MARC database built from MS Access or even Excel. |
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