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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 03:18 | paul | bonjour jean |
| 03:45 | thd | good morning paul |
| 03:46 | paul: are you feeling any better today? | |
| 03:56 | paul | hi thd. I'm fine now, thanks |
| 03:58 | thd | paul: You had written to koha-devel a few weeks ago about good defaults for the leader to use in MARC 21 and I answered you on #koha. |
| 03:58 | paul | yes. |
| 03:59 | thd | paul: Had you told me that one of your libraries was migrating from UNIMARC to MARC 21? |
| 04:05 | shdl | bonjour |
| 04:06 | thd | shdl: Good morning. Are you related to hdl? |
| 04:07 | hdl | asair no. |
| 04:07 | thd | :) |
| 04:07 | where did paul go? | |
| 04:08 | hdl | But he is french and work with paul. |
| 04:08 | shdl | :) no im not related with hdl |
| 04:08 | :) | |
| 04:09 | thd | hdl: Both good things :) |
| 04:10 | Ah jean, good morning shdl-jean. | |
| 04:11 | paul: Have you gone away again? | |
| 04:15 | hdl: As paul seems to have vanished temporarily, can you answer the question that I had posed to him? Is one of your libraries was migrating from UNIMARC to MARC 21? | |
| 04:15 | hdl | thd : no, afaik, why ? |
| 04:16 | thd : And why sould they do so ? | |
| 04:27 | thd | hdl: No reason for them to do so. Paul had told me some time ago that one of his libraries was going from one MARC standard to the other. I do not remember which direction. The importance is that paul had seemed interested in at least one field of MARC 21 defaults. |
| 04:27 | hdl: I was wondering what paul's intentions and motivations were for supporting MARC 21 defaults in Koha 3.0 while currently almost all the default support with default frameworks and plugins is understandably for UNIMARC only. Had he planned to do something more for MARC 21 specifically in Koha 3.0? | |
| 04:30 | hdl | thd : paul is not koha-3.0 kaitiaki. kados is. And thus, he is more experienced with MARC-21. But we are still involved, so we shall ahve both MARC-21 AND UNIMARC well supported :). |
| 04:32 | thd | hdl: How complete is your intention or should I ask kados? |
| 04:54 | hdl | should ask paul and kados. but should also make the question more accurate. |
| 05:01 | paul | thd => i'm back |
| 05:01 | in france, we use almost only unimarc, so i'm not marc21 specialist. | |
| 05:02 | afaik, the only thing that won't work with marc21 are unimarc_* plugins | |
| 05:02 | and they have no equivalent in marc21 as nobody developped them. | |
| 05:02 | but frameworks / authorised values / authority mechanism should work whatever the marc flavour. | |
| 05:03 | at least that's what I expect ! | |
| 05:03 | thd | paul: Is one of your libraries changing MARC formats or has already changed MARC formats? |
| 05:03 | paul | yes, marc21 => unimarc |
| 05:05 | thd | paul: I had wondered why you had asked about leader defaults for MARC 21 unless you were planning to add default prepackaged plugins for MARC 21 to Koha 3.0? |
| 05:06 | paul | i have no plans for marc21. except that, when developping the leader plugin for unimarc, I also decided to create the plugin for marc21. |
| 05:06 | as they were close. | |
| 05:06 | (although not exactly the same) | |
| 05:06 | so now, there is 1 plugin for marc21, you're right, the leader one ! | |
| 05:06 | hdl : update your cvs, i've just commited Biblio.pm fix | |
| 05:07 | hdl | ok. |
| 05:07 | thd | paul: Yes they are very close, too bad they could not be exact. That would be too nice to be true :) |
| 05:10 | paul: I have a concern that kados has not seen closely how the frameworks and plugin support work based on the message he posted yesterday with this URL http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh[…]atalogingproject) | |
| 05:13 | paul: Of course I should ask kados about this. He is not up yet I suspect. Certainly, after all it is only a class exercise but a 10n week class is not enough time to learn MARC well enough to start to design a good MARC editor :) | |
| 05:14 | paul | in fact, we spoke of this project a little yesterday. |
| 05:14 | my opinion is that, for instance, we have 2 cataloguing tools in Koha : | |
| 05:15 | * MARC=OFF => the one for ppl that don't want to hear anything from MARC | |
| 05:15 | * MARC=ON => the one for ppl that speak MARC, but don't dream of it every night. | |
| 05:16 | we need a 3rd tool for ppl that "dream" MARC. I mean, a tool where the user can do whatever he want, | |
| 05:16 | with being guided when he want. and when he want only ! | |
| 05:18 | thd | paul: I suspect that kados has not seen the benefits of the frameworks and plugins, as well as authority support. The good default configurations are for UNIMARC. The NPL templates do not support authority editing so no one at NPL is likely to have looked at authority support in Koha. |
| 05:20 | paul: Do you mean for the third tool something like a conventional MARC editor where editing MARC is more like editing in a text editor than with guided forms? | |
| 05:24 | I did tell owen that I would write something to help assist him in seeing how authority records work presently in Koha, if I have the time to do so this week. | |
| 05:27 | paul: I assume you are familiar with conventional text editor like MARC record editors. Is that what you mean as a tool for those who dream in MARC where the user can do whatever he would like? | |
| 05:31 | paul: I imagine that a competent conventional text editor for MARC records could be built as part of a ten week class. | |
| 05:37 | paul: Building a guided forms based editor is something I dream about for MARC or anything else. Designing that correctly for MARC requires more familiarity with MARC than students are likely to acquire quickly enough during a ten week class unless they were already familiar with MARC, which does not seem to be expected for this class. | |
| 05:45 | paul: what do you mean by "guided when he want, and when he want only"? Does that mean that value lists or plugins would be accessible from a link or button, adjacent to a text box. How do you envision combining the doing "whatever he want" with the "guided when he want"? | |
| 05:48 | paul: have you vanished again? | |
| 06:19 | paul | thd : was at lunch (remember i'm gmt+2 ;-) ) |
| 06:20 | I will try to write a small concept screenshot asap | |
| 06:21 | thd | paul: I never mean to detain anyone from eating or sleeping aside from myself :) |
| 06:21 | paul | :-D |
| 06:22 | thd | paul: When do you depart for yellow fever country? |
| 06:22 | paul | saturday, 24 |
| 06:22 | but next week, i'm 3 days in Paris (for Koha teaching) | |
| 06:23 | (mon -> wed) | |
| 06:26 | thd | paul: If you have time before your departure for Paris to identify you concept for different forms of record editing I would be pleased. I would be just as happy with more words or even ASCII art :) |
| 10:00 | owen | paul, you around? |
| 10:00 | paul | yep |
| 10:00 | morning owen | |
| 10:01 | owen | Hi. I'm wondering when you plan to release 2.2.4? |
| 10:01 | paul | working on french this afternoon |
| 10:01 | 2.2.4RC1 for hdl & me tomorrow | |
| 10:02 | public release next friday (before my departure for burkina) | |
| 10:02 | hdl has 1 install to do, me too. | |
| 10:02 | we will test the release before official release. | |
| 10:02 | owen | Friday 16 September ? |
| 10:02 | paul | no, 23 |
| 10:02 | owen | Oh, okay. |
| 10:03 | You said it correctly, I just wanted to be absolutely sure | |
| 10:03 | That will give me plenty of time to catch up the NPL templates. | |
| 11:41 | hdl | kados around ? |
| 11:41 | kados | hdl: yep |
| 11:42 | hdl | we happened to encounter a new record type last week. |
| 11:42 | kados | yea? |
| 11:42 | SUTRS perhaps? ;-) | |
| 11:42 | hdl | Do you remember in which package we should have used ? |
| 11:43 | kados | no ... I don't ... |
| 11:43 | hdl | GRS1 Afair |
| 11:43 | kados | right |
| 11:43 | but I do know that I had to change USMARC to MARC21 in the processqueue | |
| 11:43 | hdl | I did a perldoc. But can't remember wichi function I looked for. |
| 11:43 | kados | to get MARC21 records |
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