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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 14:54 | kados | more power probs in NPL |
| 15:02 | owen | Yeah, I thought our internet was down at first, but it's just our network |
| 15:03 | I should have known since my screen session dropped out but not IRC | |
| 15:33 | rach | morning |
| 15:33 | owen | Hi rach |
| 15:38 | rach | hmm did we send you updated templates? |
| 15:47 | owen | rach, I'm not sure... Chris sent me some recently, but I didn't receive a second round, if that's what you're asking |
| 15:56 | kados | owen: did you figure out authorities> |
| 15:56 | owen | No, have you? :) |
| 15:56 | I'd really like to understand it so I can understand the templates better | |
| 15:57 | kados | no ... I don't grok it |
| 15:59 | owen | Yeah, rach? |
| 15:59 | kados | please share |
| 15:59 | owen | Where do you start? |
| 16:01 | rach | oh now I know this :-) |
| 16:01 | someone kindly explained it to me | |
| 16:02 | umm *really* you should/would start by importing a file of words into the database in the right spot I believe - ie if you were a big library changing systems | |
| 16:02 | so like many things in a library system, it kinda is a bit clumsy to try do it by hand | |
| 16:03 | however I have done it | |
| 16:03 | umm I wonder if we have any spare kohas about | |
| 16:05 | kados | I'm confused about the initial import of authority records |
| 16:05 | do you just grab LOC or some other authority file and import it? | |
| 16:06 | rach | erm - as long as when you think me, you replace "you" with "chris" and "magic" then yes :-) |
| 16:06 | kados | :-) |
| 16:06 | rach | or from your old system if it has them |
| 16:07 | kados | right |
| 16:07 | rach | so if you have a big authority list of authors then you'd grab them from that system |
| 16:07 | to do them by hand, you actually have to type in each authority - ie each author name or whatever | |
| 16:07 | which is tedious in the extreme | |
| 16:08 | for much other than subjects I'd gues | |
| 16:08 | oh you could do states or countries I guess as well | |
| 16:08 | but you wouldn't want to do much else | |
| 16:11 | owen | So what if I wanted to do it the tedious way, do you know how I would begin? |
| 16:11 | rach | yeah I have done it |
| 16:12 | sorry I'm trying to think of an install that we have that I can play on :-) | |
| 16:12 | but I don't think we have any freshies at the moment | |
| 16:13 | um you need to do 2 things | |
| 16:13 | first is you need to a make a category of authority values | |
| 16:14 | use /cgi-bin/koha/admin/authorised_values.pl | |
| 16:14 | make a category like "sub" for subjects | |
| 16:14 | and then you add a value - so just hte word that it is - I have one for Maori for example | |
| 16:15 | then you need to link your "sub" category with the "subject" marc field | |
| 16:15 | so you have to make the category first then link it to the marc field | |
| 16:17 | and then if you're in MARC cataloguing, it should check what you put in against the authorised words, and do some sort of warning I assume if it's not in your list | |
| 16:18 | we did authority files in 1.3 (so rosalie has them for subjects) that work in the non marc environment, but I believe that these won't/don't and we'll be needing to make some code/tempolate changes to get them going | |
| 16:18 | particularly for normal acquisitions, but probalbly simple as well I'd guess | |
| 16:19 | owen | What does this have to do with authorities? (/cgi-bin/koha/authorities/authorities-home.pl) |
| 16:19 | rach | that hasn't tended to bother us because our simple acquisitions people if they have an authority list for subjects generally get us to make a pick list of subjects for them |
| 16:20 | well if it's nothing - then I've no idea what authorites are :-) | |
| 16:21 | owen | Bummer |
| 16:21 | rach | umm you gotta think that they are related |
| 16:21 | kados | I thought there were two types of authorities: author and subject |
| 16:22 | and that they defined the correct punctuation/spelling for things like names, etc. | |
| 16:22 | owen | Well, the process rach described can create *any* kind of authorised values, for many different kinds of input |
| 16:22 | rach | I think we might need your stephen |
| 16:22 | kados | yea ... stephen could probably explain it |
| 16:22 | rach | yes you can - so you can have them for locations, like country, for publisher, for anything really |
| 16:22 | owen | Authorities might be something specifically MARC-related |
| 16:23 | rach | so I was all clear, up until you just showed me that page :-) |
| 16:23 | owen | But there doesn't seem to be anywhere to begin (from authorities-home.pl) |
| 16:23 | All you can do is search, but if you're just starting out there's nothing to search! | |
| 16:24 | kados | right |
| 16:24 | I was confused about that too | |
| 16:24 | but I think | |
| 16:24 | that there's an option in the install | |
| 16:24 | to load an authorities file | |
| 16:24 | rach | I thought that you did that in the authorise values admin |
| 16:25 | kados | there's also a bulkauthimport.pl |
| 16:25 | in misc | |
| 16:25 | and a merge_authority.pl | |
| 16:25 | command-line scripts | |
| 16:25 | rach | yeah that sounds likely to me |
| 16:25 | kados | so I'm guessing you nab LOC's authority file |
| 16:26 | and import it with bulkauthimport.pl | |
| 16:26 | rach | but my one I'd made isn't getting searched |
| 16:26 | kados | then you can search on it and such |
| 16:26 | owen | Oh, simple as that, eh? :) |
| 16:26 | kados | hehe |
| 16:26 | rach | OH but probably it's not linked to a marc record thingy |
| 16:26 | thd_ | kados: LC charges money for their authority files but they are in the public domain and available from other suppliers. Free to copy if you know someplace that has them. |
| 16:26 | kados | http://authorities.loc.gov/ |
| 16:27 | thd_: know of any good sources? | |
| 16:27 | thd_ | kados: that URL can only get you authorities one at a time. |
| 16:27 | kados | owen: http://www.loc.gov/marc/uma/index.html |
| 16:28 | thd_: right | |
| 16:28 | thd_ | kados: I had preferred laserquest but sadly AT&T seems to have closed them last year. |
| 16:28 | kados | bummer |
| 16:29 | be back in <30 mins | |
| 16:29 | thd_ | kados: TLC has them in ITS MARC and could also sell them in ISO 2709 format if you asked very nicely. |
| 16:46 | kados | thd_: I'm of course looking for a free solution ;-0 |
| 17:09 | thd_ | kados: the LC files are public doamin if you know a place that has them and can persuade them to give them to you. |
| 17:12 | kados | thd_: right ;-) |
| 17:16 | thd_ | kados: If you just want test files http://www.loc.gov/cds/mds.html#test . |
| 17:17 | kados: What do you actually need to do? | |
| 19:06 | chris | heya owen |
| 19:06 | owen | Hi chris |
| 19:06 | How's it going? | |
| 19:07 | chris | not too bad at all |
| 19:07 | its a nice sunny winters day | |
| 19:07 | http://www.wunderground.com/we[…]asp?ID=IWELLING14 | |
| 19:08 | thats a weather station on my friends house, on the other side of the valley to me | |
| 19:08 | owen | Not very wintery, is it? |
| 19:09 | chris | yeah its a bit warmer than usual |
| 19:09 | its the lack of wind thats unusual, wellington doesnt get that cold temperature wise .. but the wind usually is very biting | |
| 19:11 | and it hasnt rained much, winter here is usually windy and rainy | |
| 19:11 | so we'll probably have a crap summer | |
| 19:11 | but oh well | |
| 19:12 | owen | It's been very dry here. The paper today had a story about the farmers lamenting their poor crops |
| 19:18 | chris | so there is only english in the dropdown? |
| 19:18 | owen | On the test server I'm working on now, there's only one template loaded, and no other languages. |
| 19:19 | (Probably the first time I've seen Koha this way) | |
| 19:19 | chris | right, it should be simple enought to make it go, hmm only one language available, dont put the change language bit |
| 19:19 | need to pass something thru that we can <TMPL_IF on | |
| 19:21 | owen | That must be it: "languages => \@options," |
| 19:21 | Can @options be evaluated as a number representing its size? | |
| 19:22 | chris | yep |
| 19:22 | my $count_of_options=@options | |
| 19:22 | then | |
| 19:22 | if ($count_of_options > 1) { | |
| 19:22 | something like that :) | |
| 19:29 | owen | Works like a charm |
| 19:30 | I'm sure it's an almost impossible case, though. Usually Koha will look for translations from any installed template | |
| 19:31 | chris | itd be nice for it to be real smart |
| 19:31 | and offer only ones for the template you are in, and only if the page exists | |
| 19:33 | but if templates/translations were up to date .. wouldnt need that anyway ;) | |
| 19:34 | kados | and to ignore any CVS dirs ;-) |
| 19:56 | owen | Have you looked at the opac-main script, kados? It already is hard-coded to ignore 'images' |
| 19:56 | "next if $language eq 'images';" | |
| 19:56 | Could you do the same with 'CVS' ? | |
| 20:04 | kados | I don't see why not |
| 20:04 | just add that line and it should work | |
| 20:09 | thd_ | kados: what do want to dow with authorities |
| 20:09 | ? | |
| 20:10 | owen | We don't actually use authority records at our library at the moment |
| 20:10 | thd_ | owen: no use of authorities at NPL, that is terrible :) |
| 20:11 | chris | down with the man |
| 20:11 | npl doesnt respect authority :) | |
| 20:11 | owen | :) |
| 20:11 | thd_ | owen: install UNIMARC Koha to find out how Koha uses auhorities. |
| 20:12 | owen: I have not investigated closely yet, but that was on my very long.... list :) | |
| 20:13 | owen | Why UNIMARC? |
| 20:14 | thd_ | owen: paul has scripts for authorities in UNIMARC. You can see how they work. |
| 20:15 | owen: linking to the authorority file is provided in UNIMARC bibliographic but not in MARC 21 bibliographic so adaptation may be necessary. | |
| 20:16 | owen: I will be back in circa 1.5 hr., if you will still be up then. | |
| 20:16 | owen | I doubt it :) |
| 20:32 | kados | also grabs isbns |
| 20:59 | chris I've got this script working real nice ... it's based on Net::Z3950 | |
| 20:59 | but I've got one prob | |
| 20:59 | the connection only seems to work for the first 30-40 queries | |
| 21:00 | chris | the connection to? |
| 21:00 | the z3950 server? | |
| 21:00 | kados | I think it dies |
| 21:00 | I'm not really sure what's happneing | |
| 21:01 | but I think I do one connection at the beginning: | |
| 21:01 | my $conn = new Net::Z3950::Connection("$zserver", "$zport", | |
| 21:01 | databaseName => "$zdb") | |
| 21:01 | chris | not the database connection eh? |
| 21:01 | kados | no |
| 21:01 | just z3950 | |
| 21:01 | chris | right |
| 21:01 | kados | then inside the loop I do: |
| 21:01 | my $rs = $conn->search(-prefix => "$searchterm") or die $conn->errmsg(); | |
| 21:01 | so after 30-40 queries it dies | |
| 21:02 | but I need to to do another connection instead | |
| 21:02 | should I do a $conn subroutine? | |
| 21:02 | $conn = getconn(); | |
| 21:02 | ? | |
| 21:02 | chris | hmm |
| 21:02 | yep | |
| 21:02 | kados | after the or ... and if I do that how can I pick up where I left off |
| 21:03 | chris | what methods do you get with $conn ? |
| 21:03 | can you do | |
| 21:03 | if (!$conn->connected){ | |
| 21:03 | $conn=reconnect(); | |
| 21:03 | } | |
| 21:03 | kados | ahh ... nice |
| 21:04 | chris | or something to that effect, just before you do the search |
| 21:04 | kados | I just use the 'search'mentod |
| 21:04 | method even | |
| 21:05 | chris | hmm |
| 21:06 | seems that all you get | |
| 21:07 | in that case id do | |
| 21:07 | if (my $rs = $conn->search(-prefix => "$searchterm")){ | |
| 21:07 | do something; | |
| 21:08 | } | |
| 21:08 | else { | |
| 21:08 | $conn=reconnect(); | |
| 21:08 | my $rs = $conn->search(-prefix => "$searchterm"); | |
| 21:08 | } | |
| 21:08 | hmm with the die still | |
| 21:09 | or you could even do something with a while | |
| 21:09 | which would make it keep trying until it got a result | |
| 21:09 | or a for loop .. with a sleep | |
| 21:09 | try 10 times .. then give up | |
| 21:09 | :-) | |
| 21:09 | kados | hehe |
| 21:09 | chris | depends how robust you want to get |
| 21:09 | kados | right |
| 21:09 | ok ... I'll think it over | |
| 21:09 | thanks | |
| 21:12 | chris: http://perl.z3950.org/docs/index.html | |
| 21:13 | chris: don't see any built in checks to see if a connection exists | |
| 21:13 | do you? | |
| 21:13 | chris | nope doesnt look like it from the man pages |
| 21:13 | so i think we;ll have to do it ourselves | |
| 21:13 | kados | right |
| 21:14 | we'll have to make sure that Perl/ZOOM has a check | |
| 21:14 | ;-) | |
| 21:14 | chris | :) |
| 21:14 | kados | though I suppose I could do something like: |
| 21:14 | if (!$conn->name){ | |
| 21:15 | $conn=getconn(); | |
| 21:16 | chris | http://perl.z3950.org/docs/Z39[…]tion.html#manager() |
| 21:17 | i wonder what that does | |
| 21:19 | kados | yea ... I was looking at that |
| 21:19 | well this little if seems to be working | |
| 21:19 | chris | $mgr = $conn->manager(); |
| 21:19 | $conn = $mgr->wait(); | |
| 21:19 | if ($mgr->failed()) { | |
| 21:26 | thd | kados: What are you trying to do with authorities? |
| 21:26 | kados | thd: owen already answered that ;-) |
| 21:27 | thd: btw: I got LOC working with Net::Z3950 | |
| 21:27 | thd | kados: what was the secret? |
| 21:27 | kados | thd: the problem was the default record syntax returned LOC didn't support it |
| 21:28 | sorry ... that didn't make sense | |
| 21:28 | Net::Z3950's default record syntax isn't supported by LOC | |
| 21:29 | and I declared my preference after I searched which is a bad thing to do ;-) | |
| 21:29 | thd | kados: Do you mean 1 syntax for LC and another for the rest of the world? |
| 21:29 | kados | but it's working like a charm now |
| 21:29 | no ... I didn't specify to use USMARC | |
| 21:29 | for the return syntax | |
| 21:29 | $conn->option(preferredRecordSyntax => Net::Z3950::RecordSyntax::USMARC); | |
| 21:29 | until after I did the search | |
| 21:30 | once I bumped it up it worked fine | |
| 21:30 | chris | so we should be able to fix that for the koha z3950 client too |
| 21:31 | thd | kados: you had specified no syntax and the Voyager server refused to understand that you must have meant USMARC? :) |
| 21:32 | kados | no ... Net::Z3950 request a syntax not supported by LOC by default (don't remember what it's called) |
| 21:33 | thd | chris: As far as I know, the Koha Z39.50 client works fine with LC presently, although, it could work better in general. |
| 21:35 | kados: Does NPL have a subscription to ITS.MARC services? | |
| 21:37 | kdaos: Sorry, that was not clear. Does NPL subscribe to the record services from TLC for ITS.MARC? | |
| 21:38 | kados: You could obtain MARC 21 authority records matching your MARC 21 bibliographic records that way. | |
| 21:40 | kados: But if you want to have all the authority records locally, then you have a problem of a different order. | |
| 21:41 | kados | no ... they only subscribe to the program ... not the service |
| 21:43 | thd | kados: Many libraries have authority records, and if you found a nice one, you could just copy them with your government's blessing.. |
| 21:44 | kados: You have actually paid for them already when you paid your taxes. | |
| 21:46 | kados: Does your university library have authority records? | |
| 21:50 | kados: Many libraries merely validate authorities from an external source without holding the authority records locally. Also, many ILS systems as you well know are not good at exporting records in the standard communications format. | |
| 21:56 | kados: How do I manage multiple Koha's on a single system for the koha.conf. I want to have both MARC 21 Koha and UNIMARC Koha running at the same time? | |
| 22:02 | chris, rach, russ: Perhaps kados has gone to sleep. I want to have different types of Koha configurations running on one system at the same time but I am uncertain what do with koha.conf . | |
| 22:02 | chris | i do this |
| 22:02 | cp /etc/koha.conf /etc/koha-2.2.2.conf | |
| 22:03 | then cp /etc/apache/conf.d/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache/conf.d/koha-httpd.2.2.2.conf | |
| 22:03 | then i edit /etc/apache/conf.d/koha-httpd.2.2.2.conf | |
| 22:04 | SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/etc/koha.conf" | |
| 22:04 | change that to /etc/koha-2.2.2.conf | |
| 22:05 | and thats about all you need to do ... actually dont cp, use mv | |
| 22:05 | then you will be able to install another koha without it thinking you are upgrading | |
| 22:06 | thd | chris: How can the environment variable point to more than one location? |
| 22:06 | chris | eh? |
| 22:06 | why would it need to? | |
| 22:07 | the environment variable only needs to point at the conf file for that koha | |
| 22:07 | so you have /etc/koha-1.2.3.conf and /etc/koha-2.2.3.conf etc | |
| 22:08 | thd | chris: I want SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/etc/koha.conf" and SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/etc/koha-2.2.2.conf" to use your example. I want both running at the same time. |
| 22:08 | chris | and then you koha-httpd-1.2.3.conf and koha-httpd-2.2.3.conf which sets the KOHA_CONF |
| 22:09 | thats fine you just have 2 virtual host | |
| 22:09 | s | |
| 22:09 | one telling it to use /etc/koha.conf the other telling it to use /etc/koha-2.2.2.conf | |
| 22:10 | thd | chris: Oh, I had assumed that the www or whatever user would share the same environment space however virtual hosts were used. |
| 22:10 | chris | nope its per virtualhost |
| 22:11 | luckily :) | |
| 22:11 | on one of our boxes i have 23 kohas running | |
| 22:12 | thd | chris: Well virtual hosts do more than I expected, happily, not always as expected. |
| 22:13 | chris: You should have 12 more Koha clients for those instances. :) | |
| 22:13 | chris | thats just our demo box |
| 22:14 | so we set up a little sandbox for potential clients to play in | |
| 22:15 | thd | chris: I leave that business to you, kados, paul, etc. I want multiple sandboxes, with matching swings :) |
| 22:46 | kados: I just read what you had actually been speaking to chris about. There is another method of addressing your Z39.50 server connection issues. | |
| 01:40 | osmoze | hi |
| 02:23 | I search for a how-to for opac-style, i don't find it on kohadocs, have you got some idea ? | |
| 02:26 | paul | salut j sebastien |
| 02:26 | tu veux savoir quoi exactement ? | |
| 02:27 | osmoze | bonjour paul, en fait, je viens de recevoir notre logo, et j aimerai sur ma version de test , tester avec les couleurs |
| 02:27 | paul | et bien tu vas dans le répertoire ou es Koha, |
| 02:27 | osmoze | ok |
| 02:27 | paul | puis celui de l'opac |
| 02:28 | htdocs/opac-tmpl/css/en/include | |
| 02:28 | là, il y a une feuille de style opac.css | |
| 02:28 | tu la copies ailleurs | |
| 02:28 | tu l'édites pour l'adapter à tes couleurs | |
| 02:28 | ensuite, tu la mets dans un endroit accessible par ton serveur web. | |
| 02:28 | et tu vas dans | |
| 02:29 | koha >> parametres >> pref systemes | |
| 02:29 | >> opacstylesheet >> modifier >> mettre l'url de ta feuille de style. | |
| 02:29 | dans un 1er temps, je te conseille de mettre un truc évident, genre background-color:red pour la mainbloc | |
| 02:30 | comme ca, tu verras tout de suite si elle est à la bonne place ! | |
| 02:30 | osmoze | vi, petite astuce pas bete le red :) |
| 02:30 | merci ^^ | |
| 02:30 | paul | dans opac-mail.pl, si tu regardes le source, tu dois avoir au début, dans le stylesheet... l'url que tu auras mise |
| 02:30 | de rien. | |
| 03:04 | hdl | chris around ? |
| 03:04 | paul | chris sleeping, for sure ;-) |
| 03:05 | russ | at 8pm |
| 03:05 | hdl | hi paul. |
| 03:05 | russ | i think not :-) |
| 03:05 | hdl | hi russ. |
| 03:05 | russ | hi |
| 03:05 | paul | ??? nz is GMT -8 isn't it ? |
| 03:05 | russ | no |
| 03:06 | it is GMT - 12 | |
| 03:22 | thd | paul: what are you trying to do with your leader plugin? |
| 03:22 | paul | help user filling the leader |
| 03:22 | (should not need to know which byte contain which value) | |
| 03:22 | I mean here for values that are not automatically calculated | |
| 03:23 | chris | gmt +12 |
| 03:23 | at the moment | |
| 03:23 | +13 during summer | |
| 03:23 | paul | hello chris. |
| 03:23 | chris | so its 8.23pm |
| 03:23 | paul | gmt +12 or gmt -12 ? |
| 03:24 | chris | +12 |
| 03:24 | paul | is tuesday or wednesday for you ? |
| 03:24 | chris | its tuesday 8.23pm |
| 03:24 | paul | chould be tuesday or monday |
| 03:25 | thd | paul: Is your email is asking about recommended default values? |
| 03:25 | paul | yes |
| 03:26 | chris | hi hdl, just reading your email now |
| 03:26 | re-reading :) | |
| 03:26 | hdl | hi chris. |
| 03:26 | Thx. | |
| 03:28 | chris | i think that sql is mysql dependent |
| 03:29 | so the question really is, is it much faster than doing an it another way | |
| 03:29 | and if so ... what is more important, database independence or speed | |
| 03:30 | hdl | sure, sql is mysql independant, but are DATE manipulation functions SQL functions or mysql add-ons ? |
| 03:30 | That was the core. | |
| 03:31 | chris | i was meaning that particular SQL :-) |
| 03:31 | hdl | :) |
| 03:31 | paul | you mean : it's standard mysql SQL but not ANSI SQL ;-) |
| 03:31 | chris | yeah |
| 03:32 | im not sure about INTERVAL, ill do some googling | |
| 03:33 | hmm no interval looks ok | |
| 03:35 | hdl | Wow. Thx. |
| 03:35 | The fact is that we wouldn't like to tie development to mysql more than it as atm. If I understood some dev goals. | |
| 03:35 | But using DATES in queries is so useful when it comes to stats, and lists, that ti would be a pity not to use that facility. | |
| 03:38 | chris | yeah |
| 03:38 | date_sub is now the only bit im worried about | |
| 03:38 | thd | chris: I would vote for database independence, if speed kills :) |
| 03:39 | chris | that appears to be the only bit that isnt ansi sql compliant |
| 03:40 | in that i cant find it mentioned anywhere except mysql documentation | |
| 03:41 | hdl | Is there a work around ? |
| 03:42 | chris | i wonder if just - works |
| 03:42 | it would work for postgres | |
| 03:42 | from the postgresql datesintervals faq | |
| 03:42 | Now, to work with TIMESTAMP and INTERVAL, you need to understand these few simple rules : | |
| 03:42 | 1. The difference between two TIMESTAMPs is always an INTERVAL : | |
| 03:42 | TIMESTAMP '1999-12-30' - TIMESTAMP '1999-12-11' = INTERVAL '19 days' | |
| 03:42 | 2. You may add or subtract an INTERVAL to a TIMESTAMP to produce another TIMESTAMP : | |
| 03:43 | TIMESTAMP '1999-12-11' + INTERVAL '19 days' = TIMESTAMP '1999-12-30' | |
| 03:43 | You may add or subtract two INTERVALS : | |
| 03:43 | INTERVAL '1 month' + INTERVAL '1 month 3 days' = INTERVAL '2 months 3 days' | |
| 03:43 | so i wonder if | |
| 03:43 | DATE_SUB(CURDATE( ),INTERVAL | |
| 03:43 | $delay DAY) | |
| 03:44 | could be (CURDATE - (INTERVAL $delay DAY)) | |
| 03:44 | (CURDATE() - (INTERVAL $delay DAY)) | |
| 03:44 | even | |
| 03:44 | i wonder if that works in mysql | |
| 03:45 | if it did, it should be ansi compliant | |
| 03:47 | thd | chris: If you need DB flavour specific code, a check for if (MySQL) { MySQL specific code; } elsif (Postgres) { Postgres specific code; } else { ANSI code; } |
| 03:47 | chris | good idea thd |
| 03:57 | thd | paul: I suggest additional default values of MARC 21 000/17 '7' and 00/18 'a'; and UNIMARC 000/17 '3' and 000/18 #(blank). |
| 03:58 | paul | you mean 'minimal level' for marc21 char 17 ? |
| 03:58 | and AACR-2 for char 18 | |
| 03:58 | thd | paul: yes |
| 03:58 | yes | |
| 04:00 | paul | ok, done |
| 04:00 | hdl | chris : I tested your solution :(CURDATE() - (INTERVAL $delay DAY)) |
| 04:00 | It does not work :( in mysql. | |
| 04:00 | So should I add a syspref for dbstyle or is there one in order to do what thd propose ? | |
| 04:01 | paul | there is none. |
| 04:01 | if you add such a systempref, it should be discussed on koha-devel before i think | |
| 04:02 | (& i'm not sure it's a good idea to putvthis in 2.2) | |
| 04:02 | chris | yeah, would be good to go in head though |
| 04:02 | russ | hi shaun |
| 04:03 | shaun | hi russ |
| 04:03 | hdl | $context->{"config"}{"db_scheme"} |
| 04:03 | is in context.pm. | |
| 04:03 | and db_scheme gives dbdriver.... | |
| 04:05 | thd | paul: I would hope that some X.X would have a system preference for MARC 21 and UNIMARC with the record type of each record identified in the DB and recorded in a local use field. |
| 04:09 | paul: where does the DB record field order for repeating fields? | |
| 04:10 | paul | ??? |
| 04:12 | thd | paul: There has always been a column recording subfield order. Where is the column for repeating field order. The templates seem to interpret this correctly. Is it by natural first in first out design when reading data? |
| 04:15 | chris | ok gotta give the laptop to my wife, see you's later |
| 04:17 | thd | paul: Furthermore, how does Koha identify the correct repeated holdings field to update the item information in a record, or am I imagining something that does not happen? |
| 04:22 | paul | thd : there's also a column for this |
| 04:22 | marc_subfield_table.tagorder | |
| 04:27 | thd | paul: I was not expecting to look in the same table :) |
| 04:42 | hdl | see you chris. |
| 04:42 | thd | paul: Does UNIMARC 000/17 '3' mean partial record and not minimal record as I had imagined? There are fewer possibilities for 000/17 in UNIMARC. Partial record would be MARC 21 000/17 '5' which is not what I meant. |
| 04:50 | paul: Does UNIMARC have the national/minimal level record concept encoded? | |
| 04:54 | paul: maybe the concept is shared with completeness in UNIMARC. There is a strong conceptual relation. | |
| 05:01 | paul: I do not recall specification of mandatory and optional fields and subfields distinguished by encoding level as in MARC 21. A national level record may merely be presumed to use more optional fields in UNIMARC. | |
| 07:47 | hdl | paul_away around ? kados ? in http://localhost/cgi-bin/koha/[…]pl?basket=#basket |
| 07:47 | it looks to me like order has two VERY different meanings : | |
| 07:47 | - order a basket or a new book | |
| 07:47 | - choose the order of the list displayed (First col A col B col C or first Col C col A col B) | |
| 07:47 | Do I get it right ? | |
| 07:48 | paul_away | yep |
| 07:48 | paul | (internet connection problems for me today...) |
| 08:12 | osmoze | petite question, je n arrive pas a faire changer la couleurs du defilement de la souris dans une boite de dialogue dans l opac, une idée ? |
| 08:13 | paul | c'est le select:hover |
| 08:14 | osmoze | ok, merci |
| 08:23 | paul, c etait aussi le pacement de la souris, quand la souris passe, ca change de couleur, mais ma demande porte sur ce que la souris fait en choix en passant dessus ( chez moi c est jaune pour l instant et je ne retrouve pas la correspondance dans la feuille de style) | |
| 08:24 | alors, dans la boite de choix | |
| 08:24 | quand tu ouvre pour faire ton choix, le backgroud entier change | |
| 08:24 | cependant, lors du passage de la souris a l interieur pour le choix, c est jhaune | |
| 08:25 | et je voudrait changer, mais je ne sais ou le faire | |
| 08:27 | paul | ah, j'ai compris |
| 08:27 | je crois hélas qu'on ne peut pas trop faire, en tous cas je ne sais pas | |
| 08:27 | c'est comme la forme des boutons radio et autres checkbox, on change pas ca | |
| 08:27 | c'est géré par le toolkit qui l'affiche (Qt, Gtk ou autre) | |
| 08:28 | osmoze | ok :) |
| 09:38 | hdl | hi owen... |
| 09:38 | owen | Hi hdl |
| 09:38 | paul | hi owen |
| 09:38 | owen | Hi paul |
| 09:38 | hdl | you're first. |
| 09:39 | kados | hehe ... now it's a race eh? |
| 09:39 | paul | ;-) |
| 09:40 | i've sent many mails & commits & recieve no mails from sf | |
| 09:40 | kados, did you recieve mails called "long is the road" ? | |
| 09:40 | (in koha-devel) | |
| 09:40 | kados | let me check |
| 09:41 | I don't see it | |
| 09:41 | owen | Me neither |
| 09:41 | paul | sf MTA is down |
| 09:41 | once again... | |
| 09:41 | kados | grr |
| 09:41 | paul | works in the morning, until americans wake up... |
| 09:41 | kados | hopefully no emails are lost |
| 09:42 | hdl | Nasty americans .... :) |
| 09:42 | kados | only delayed ... right? |
| 09:42 | hehe | |
| 09:42 | paul | I hope !!! |
| 09:42 | kados | we'll keep tabs on it |
| 09:42 | paul | (anyway, i've the copy, i can re-sent them if needed) |
| 09:42 | owen | Not nasty, just hard-working open source fans! :) |
| 09:42 | kados | if we've lost the mail we should definitely consider switching from sf |
| 09:43 | paul | (for sure : with 5 weeks holidays + 13 closed days every year + 35 hours a week in France, we can't be considered as hard-working ;-) ) |
| 09:43 | (hopefully, you have got the best frenchies with hdl & me ;-) ) | |
| 09:43 | kados | hehe |
| 09:44 | owen | paul, do authorities work with MARC21 or just UNIMARC? |
| 09:44 | paul | should work with both. |
| 09:44 | except if there is some tricky marc21 thing I've missed | |
| 09:45 | owen | How do you start using authorities? Do you have to import them, or can they be added manually? |
| 09:45 | paul | 3 possibilities : |
| 09:45 | * enter them manually | |
| 09:45 | * rebuild them from biblios after bulkmarcimport'ing them | |
| 09:46 | * import them from external source (like BNF in france) & rebuild the links after. | |
| 09:46 | shaun | kados: is there an agenda for tomorrow's meeting? |
| 09:46 | paul | I have experienced only 1 & 2 atm |
| 09:47 | (& for 2, i have a nice script that rebuild them as efficiently as possible. not in official CVS yet, but I should commit it...) | |
| 09:47 | owen | So you can build authority records from your existing MARC records? |
| 09:47 | paul | of course, when you rebuild auth from biblios, you don't have rejected forms & associated forms as they aren't in your biblios usually |
| 09:47 | yep. | |
| 09:48 | owen | Cool. That sounds useful. |
| 09:48 | I'd really like to know more about how authorities work, if only so that I can understand the templates better | |
| 09:49 | How do you manually enter an authority? | |
| 09:49 | paul | let me explain... |
| 09:49 | (with unimarc samples) | |
| 09:49 | you have a biblio : | |
| 09:49 | 200$aThe 2 towers | |
| 09:50 | $f JRR Tolkien | |
| 09:50 | 700$a Tolkien | |
| 09:50 | 700$b Junior Robert (not sure it's the true name ;-) ) | |
| 09:50 | in unimarc, 700 contains "main author authority" | |
| 09:50 | (physical author) | |
| 09:51 | 701 additionnal author | |
| 09:51 | 702 other responsability | |
| 09:51 | that's for the biblio | |
| 09:51 | in the authority, you will have a MARC structure as well. | |
| 09:51 | it says : | |
| 09:51 | 200$a => authority main entry, physical person (the name of the author) | |
| 09:52 | 200$b => authority additional entry (the surname of the author) | |
| 09:52 | 200$f => dates (birth/death) | |
| 09:52 | 200$c => title (like Sir, Lord, King, Holy...) | |
| 09:52 | PLUS : | |
| 09:52 | 250$a => main entry rejected form | |
| 09:53 | 250$b => surname rejected form | |
| 09:53 | ... | |
| 09:53 | for example : | |
| 09:53 | 200$a Tolkien | |
| 09:53 | 200$b Junior Robert | |
| 09:53 | 250$a Tolkien | |
| 09:53 | 250$b JRR | |
| 09:53 | 250$a Tolquien | |
| 09:54 | 250$b JRR | |
| 09:54 | (we supposes Tolkien is spelled tolquien sometimes) | |
| 09:54 | once you have defined " physical author" authority type | |
| 09:55 | you can define the cataloguing framework for it exactly as for biblios | |
| 09:55 | choose which field you want, which you don't want... | |
| 09:55 | you also must say "for this authority type, you must report the 200 field into the biblio" | |
| 09:55 | then you go to the biblio framework. | |
| 09:55 | say, in 700. | |
| 09:56 | Here, you just have to : | |
| 09:56 | * modify subfields to say : OK, guy, 700$a is related to "physical author" authority type | |
| 09:56 | * create a $9 subfield (hidden) | |
| 09:56 | that's all. | |
| 09:56 | now, in MARC editor, you have ... | |
| 09:57 | that opens a popup where you can search your authority. | |
| 09:57 | and once you have choosen it : | |
| 09:57 | ALL subfields from 200 entry are copied in 700 subfields | |
| 09:57 | (so $a in $a, $b in $b, ...) | |
| 09:57 | + the authid is copied in $9 to keep trace of the link. | |
| 09:58 | if you want to enable secondary authors in your biblio framework, just enable 701 | |
| 09:58 | and say for 701$a "related to authority physical person" | |
| 09:58 | you've got the same ..., related to the same authorities. | |
| 09:58 | does that sound OK ? | |
| 09:59 | just one more thing: | |
| 09:59 | in misc you have a merge_authority.pl script | |
| 09:59 | that you should run without args to see what it does, as it's very useful | |
| 10:00 | owen | Where do you set up the authority in the first place? |
| 10:00 | paul | Koha >> parameters >> thesaurus structure |
| 10:00 | (as thesaurus is an organized authority structure. a "flat" thesaurus is an authority list ;-) ) | |
| 10:01 | owen | thesaurus structure? I always wondered what that was for :) |
| 10:01 | paul | now you are "aware" ;-) |
| 10:01 | (do you know who is Jean claude van damme ?) | |
| 10:01 | owen | Yes, but I don't think I got the reference |
| 10:02 | paul | probably. |
| 10:02 | JC van damme is really crazy. He often goes to TV and explains "moi, tu vois, je suis "aware", parce que les fleurs et les petits oiseaux, je les enjoy, et que la life, elle est super" | |
| 10:03 | and mixed english/french, really crazy. | |
| 10:03 | so, in france, when you say "tu es aware", you speak like him ;-) | |
| 10:03 | owen | :) |
| 10:03 | hdl | got an other one from him : |
| 10:04 | when you sleep and you dream you are sleeping, you need to awake twice before being awake... | |
| 10:04 | paul | lol |
| 10:05 | that's better in it's true version, half french, half english ! | |
| 10:07 | http://jeanclaudevandamme.free.fr/sons/Aware.mp3 | |
| 10:08 | hdl | He often shows on TV under illegal and strong substances. |
| 10:08 | owen | Too many blows to the head maybe. |
| 10:08 | paul | probably... |
| 10:09 | owen | Okay, paul, I must be doing something wrong, because there's nothing in the 'thesaurus' drop-down menu in MARC structure |
| 10:09 | paul | did you define a thesaurus ? |
| 10:09 | in koha >> systempref >> tuehsaurus structure ? | |
| 10:10 | >> add authority type | |
| 10:10 | owen | Oh, I just went straight to MARC structure on that page |
| 10:11 | paul | NO |
| 10:11 | you should be on | |
| 10:11 | authtype.pl | |
| 10:11 | owen | authtypes.pl? |
| 10:11 | paul | (that smells like biblio framework I agree, but it is not biblioframework !) |
| 10:11 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]dmin/authtypes.pl | |
| 10:11 | (test/test) | |
| 10:11 | owen | Yes, I'm there |
| 10:12 | And tag reported is the MARC tag the authority relates to? | |
| 10:12 | paul | if you click on "MARC structure" for default framework, what do you get ? |
| 10:12 | in my previous sample, it's 200 | |
| 10:13 | owen | Oh, so it's the authority tag |
| 10:14 | And /then/ I go into MARC structure on the authorities page? | |
| 10:15 | paul | (the authority field number that goes into the bilbio field) |
| 10:15 | ??? | |
| 10:15 | owen | auth_subfields_structure.pl? |
| 10:16 | paul | yes. |
| 10:16 | owen | auth_tag_structure.pl? |
| 10:16 | paul | here, you can define MARC structure for authorities |
| 10:16 | exactly like you define MARC structure for biblios | |
| 10:17 | (if your tables are empty, you can fill them with : 22/misc/sql-datas/english/authorities_normal_marc21.sql | |
| 10:17 | ) | |
| 10:18 | owen | Is there anything special I should do when adding the new subfield? |
| 10:45 | paul | just for testing koha-hackers : |
| 10:45 | http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_cg.php?im | |
| 10:51 | scoring : 88 | |
| 10:54 | owen | Koha seems to have great difficulty returning an item that has been cancelled. |
| 10:57 | kados | yea ... |
| 10:57 | I'll add that to my list | |
| 10:58 | owen | I guess I'd vote to have Koha warn the user that the item is cancelled and link them to the interface to un-cancel if necessary |
| 10:58 | ...rather than uncancelling automatically. | |
| 11:27 | thd | owen: what is the nature of the bug that you had mentioned for the template to modifying the framework? |
| 11:28 | owen | I've seen a bug in the NPL templates where after you edit and save a MARC subfield structure, instead of replacing the old values the updated values are /added/, so you get duplicates |
| 11:28 | I thought I saw the default templates to this too, today, so now I'm not sure where the problem comes from. | |
| 11:28 | I haven't heard anyone else report that they've seen this behavior too | |
| 11:29 | thd | owen: If not enough people use a feature, its bugs will tend not to be reported :) |
| 11:30 | owen | Does it work for you? |
| 11:32 | thd | owen: I have been afraid to introduce a problem in the DB after you had mentioned the bug, so I have not tested that. |
| 11:32 | owen | You could try it safely by creating a new framework and playing around with that. Then the framework could be deleted without affecting your other data |
| 11:33 | thd | owen: a fine idea. more sandboxes with different coloured sand. |
| 11:43 | kados | for anyone who's interested, Northland Bible Baptist College, a client of LibLime's webt live today. You try out the OPAC at : libcat.nbbc.edu |
| 11:44 | hdl | Congratulations kados. |
| 11:45 | quite sexy. | |
| 11:57 | thd | kados: extended Z39.50 services might address your connection problem. Had you asked Mike Taylor about that issue? |
| 11:58 | kados: I mean the time out issue. |
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