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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:00 | kados | thd: so shouldn't we just have an extensible cataloging page? |
| 12:00 | thd | kados: you should not need javascript. |
| 12:02 | kados: a good set of defaults where even the standard common use fields are fetched as separate pages. | |
| 12:02 | kados | I can't think of another way to allow dynamic creation of repeatable subfield entries |
| 12:02 | what I think we want | |
| 12:03 | is a tool that grabs a marc record | |
| 12:03 | and displays all the populated tags/subfields | |
| 12:03 | in editable fields | |
| 12:03 | thd | kados: a non js link or button should be able to do the same as js if it fetches again from the server |
| 12:04 | kados | thd: perhaps ... but those page reloads take a long time |
| 12:04 | thd: it's much better to do it client side | |
| 12:04 | thd: for browsers that support that function | |
| 12:04 | thd: and for those that don't reload the page | |
| 12:04 | thd: I believe in using javascript for improving interfaces | |
| 12:04 | thd: while leaving support for non-compliant browsers | |
| 12:05 | thd: as a fail-safe measure | |
| 12:05 | thd | kados: you need js for client side :) |
| 12:05 | kados | yep ... hence I believe in using js ;-) |
| 12:06 | before I left for ALA I had a three hour meetin with the NPL cataloging team | |
| 12:06 | paul | thd : in fact, in librarian interface, in 2.2.x, you need mozilla/firefox. IE does not work well. |
| 12:06 | kados | and I got some really good ideas for how to improve the tools that they currently use |
| 12:06 | paul | acceptable need, because the librarian interface is used by a limited & known number of ppl |
| 12:07 | thd | kados: There was a complaint about js in the intranet recently where someone needed remote access over ssh for administration but that probably had nothing to do with cataloguing. |
| 12:07 | kados | I'll be explaining the desired functions in my 2.4/3.0 roadmap |
| 12:08 | for now I've got to get back to ALA lead card stuff | |
| 12:08 | :-) | |
| 12:08 | My goal is to have a draft of the roadmap ready for the middle of next week | |
| 12:08 | thd | kados: do you have any leads who want to sponser a catloguing module to die for? |
| 12:09 | kados | thd: I have a couple of clients I've talked to about it |
| 12:09 | thd | :) |
| 12:09 | kados | thd: NPL may also be interested |
| 12:10 | thd: Stephen and I have a presentation on using open source tools for technical services later this year | |
| 12:10 | me gets back to work ;-) | |
| 12:11 | thd | kados: to prove it by coding we shold have a supporting model for zebra and MARC::record first. |
| 12:11 | kados: ok, go back to work. | |
| 15:19 | ryanbisd | howdy guys.. |
| 15:23 | thd | ryanbisd: hello |
| 15:23 | ryanbisd | know much about samba? |
| 15:23 | thd | ryanbisd: not me :) |
| 15:27 | ryanbisd: irc.freenode.net /join #samba | |
| 15:27 | ryanbisd | yeah, Im on there :) |
| 15:27 | you guys are a little more friendly though... :) | |
| 15:28 | thd | ryanbisd: It can be difficult on heavy traffic lists to have any attention |
| 15:29 | ryanbisd: Ask very specific questions that someone finds interesting and you can get answers even with heavy traffic | |
| 15:30 | ryanbisd | cool... |
| 15:30 | thd | ryanbisd: research the questions well in advance though |
| 15:31 | ryanbisd | yeah... |
| 15:31 | thd | ryanbisd: if you ask when the US traffic jam is asleep you can get more attention |
| 15:31 | ryanbisd | Im pretty new to this... |
| 15:31 | so, I dont really know how to word the questions right sometimes.. | |
| 15:32 | thd | ryanbisd: the wrong wording will not get good answers from google or listserves either |
| 15:32 | ryanbisd | I know.... haha... |
| 15:33 | thd | ryanbisd: you have to experiment with possible terminology |
| 15:33 | ryanbisd | im slowly figuring things out... |
| 15:33 | thd | ryanbisd: we need a good thesuarus of thechnical description. Its a basic LIS problem. |
| 15:34 | ryanbisd | haha.. |
| 15:35 | thd | ryanbisd: and then finding someone like me using 'thechnical' when you searched for 'technical' is difficult. |
| 15:36 | ryanbisd | haha... just noticed that.. |
| 15:37 | thd | ryanbisd: I am also relatively new to using IRC and have not investigated a spelling checker for my posts. |
| 15:45 | ryanbisd: be careful about asking questions, especially on heavy traffic lists or channels, without making the best attempt to find the answer in documentation or Google first. You might find yourself ignored when the IRC channel or listserve is your only source for an answer later. | |
| 15:46 | ryanbisd | yeah... |
| 15:46 | my problem is.... the docs or man pages are cryptic to me... | |
| 15:46 | but, im learning to rely on them more too | |
| 15:48 | thd | ryanbisd: paractice or experiment on a machine where it does not matter if you break some software. |
| 15:48 | ryanbisd | yeah.... |
| 15:48 | thd | ryanbisd: You have to be fearless :) |
| 15:48 | ryanbisd | im pretty excited about getting koha up and running... |
| 15:48 | I am going to set up one school.... and show my boss. | |
| 15:49 | and hopefully that will persuade him to let me do them all. | |
| 15:52 | thd | ryanbisd: koha is very good and kados will be making an announcement any day now about how it will soon be much better. |
| 15:52 | ryanbisd | awesome... |
| 15:52 | hopefully we can helpout in whatever | |
| 15:52 | haha... that was vague.. | |
| 15:54 | thd | ryanbisd: as kados suggested supporting features you want helps. Koha will get them eventually, they just happen faster and better when there are particular users behind them. |
| 15:55 | ryanbisd | see, and there is a programmer that works with me, that can help out for that too.. |
| 15:56 | if his code is good, and you guys wanna use it | |
| 15:56 | thd | ryanbisd: fantastic, that is even better |
| 15:56 | ryanbisd | we're a school district..... not a lot of money to use.... |
| 15:58 | thd | ryanbisd: it need not necessarily take a lot when everyone pools their resources. |
| 15:59 | ryanbisd | right... |
| 15:59 | i need to get 1 school up and going online, then maybe I could convince the boss man. | |
| 16:04 | thd | ryanbisd: koha does not have very many regular progmmers but does have very large user pool willing to help. |
| 16:11 | ryanbisd: you might have missed the koha users list if you had only seen the sourceforge lists http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha . | |
| 16:20 | ryanbisd: another hint for IRC is to use http://searchirc.com/ to find a less heavily trafficked channel for asking questions. There may be fewer people to answer as the heavy traffic lists when the US users are asleep but you can attract more attention to your question and maybe nicer people, when the friendly people in Europe, Africa, Asia, and Oceania are awake. | |
| 18:36 | ryanbisd: Did you solve your samba problem? | |
| 18:36 | ryanbisd | I havent been to the office yet... |
| 18:36 | this is for a job I do part time... | |
| 18:36 | I changed from a windows file server to fedora.. | |
| 18:37 | I can get to the share.. | |
| 18:37 | it just makes me "login" to the share, when I have it configured to not do that.. | |
| 18:39 | I think its because the 2000 server that it was using, was also the pdc for the other machines..so, eventhough they login to themselves, there is nothing controlling them anymore | |
| 18:39 | thd | ryanbisd: If it makes you then there may an additional configuration overriding your configuration. But I do not know samba. |
| 18:40 | ryanbisd: Did you see my post about http://searchirc.com/ | |
| 18:40 | ryanbisd | yeah... |
| 18:43 | thd | ryanbisd: I have found people in Germany or wherever will help on a channel with fewer members when people in the US are too busy or have too many messages flashing by to notice. |
| 18:45 | ryanbisd | cool... |
| 19:04 | if I want a service to start on startup, i do 'chkconfig service add' correct? | |
| 19:07 | thd | ryanbisd: If that is fedora question I would not be much help to you either : / |
| 19:07 | ryanbisd | haha.... cool. |
| 19:31 | kados | " |
| 19:31 | ryanbisd: check out ntsysv | |
| 19:33 | ryanbisd | ? |
| 19:33 | I am having a problem with my samba shares...... | |
| 19:33 | If I take a windows 2000 pdc out of the network, will that cause Samba to ask for the username and PW or not let the samba shares work correctly, if the clients are stll logging into the domain? | |
| 19:38 | the computer and share sometimes show up in the network neighborhood... sometimes not | |
| 19:38 | and time out when I click to them | |
| 19:39 | BUT... if I connect to the coputer via \\ip-address\sharename it allows me to connect to the share, but I hav e to enter a username and PW | |
| 19:39 | eventhough I have security = share | |
| 19:39 | and allow guests | |
| 20:17 | kados | huh ... |
| 20:18 | ntsysv will help you decide which programs to start when you're booting | |
| 20:18 | ryanbisd | ohhh... I was explaing a problem I was having with samba... |
| 20:18 | sorry | |
| 20:18 | kados | haven't used windows for a while |
| 20:18 | so no idea on that one | |
| 20:23 | ryanbisd | thats cool.. |
| 20:23 | I hate windows too... | |
| 20:24 | but, the part time work I do, they have a hard enough time with windows, I couldnt imagine switching them over to something else | |
| 20:33 | here is what a librarian told my director.. he sent it to me in an email | |
| 20:33 | I looked briefly at this website/software. I found a couple of things that got my attention. Such as, patrons may not do a linked subject search. Ex: I look up the title of a book I loved and the subject shows as "friendship." I can then link to all other books in the library on friendship (very useful to the students!). Also, when I looked up reports, they only have two options which are "daily reports." All others that we rely on so m | |
| 20:33 | uch do not exist. Ex: monthly circulation reports, overdue book reports, and reports that help us "clean up" our records. I think this is great for organizations that do not have the circulations or collections (nor the need for a multi-purpose powerful system) we have, but I honestly think that it does not meet our needs. I believe it would be taking a giant step backward from where we currently are. Sorry! the price is certainly rig | |
| 20:33 | ht. Maybe in the future, it will become a more viable option. | |
| 20:34 | chris | ahh they didnt look hard enough |
| 20:34 | perhaps they arent aware of the fact its running 4 public libraries already | |
| 20:34 | Genji | yup. that linked subject search is in the cvs head, right now. |
| 20:34 | my sidebar implementation in css/en | |
| 20:35 | ryanbisd | huh? |
| 20:35 | chris | im assuming they are talking about koha ryan? |
| 20:35 | ryanbisd | so, it can do all those things? |
| 20:35 | yes. | |
| 20:35 | chris | sure can |
| 20:35 | Genji | http://opac.genjimoto.is-a-gee[…]etail.pl?bib=1149 |
| 20:36 | ryanbisd | link doesnt work |
| 20:36 | Genji | http://genjimoto.is-a-geek.org[…]etail.pl?bib=1149 |
| 20:36 | sorry. | |
| 20:37 | chris | or |
| 20:37 | http://opac.library.org.nz/cgi[…]tail.pl?bib=25741 | |
| 20:37 | where you can just click on a subject | |
| 20:38 | the original Koha install has been running for 5.5 years now ryan | |
| 20:38 | and has done | |
| 20:38 | 2188689 issues | |
| 20:39 | at least | |
| 20:39 | renewals are only being counted once | |
| 20:40 | so probably closer to 2.4 million | |
| 20:40 | with reports ... there is built in reporting tool | |
| 20:40 | and some useful reports, like overdues, daily stats | |
| 20:41 | but heres where koha comes into its own | |
| 20:41 | thd | ryanbisd: What example of the "website/software" did the librarian look at? |
| 20:41 | ryanbisd | the one on the koha website |
| 20:41 | the testdrive | |
| 20:41 | chris | the problem with the testdrive is that people can play with it |
| 20:42 | so they monkey in systempreferences and make a mess :) | |
| 20:42 | thd | ryanbisd: That one is very old and has not been configured correctly for years :) |
| 20:42 | ryanbisd | haha |
| 20:42 | chris | its not that old, but the not configured is true |
| 20:43 | ppl keep swithcing to old templates | |
| 20:44 | we should probably just kill it, and have screen shots instead | |
| 20:44 | ryanbisd | where is the map, with eveyone who is using koha? |
| 20:45 | chris | http://koha.org/about/map/index.html |
| 20:45 | thd | ryanbisd: Thr example at www.liblime.com has not been mucked up badly yet, although, kados disabled Z39.50 searches on the demo. |
| 20:49 | chris: rather than killing the demo, just reset the configuration values at some announced interval. | |
| 20:49 | chris | ppl put claggy data in as well |
| 20:49 | probably should just drop the db and reload | |
| 20:51 | thd | chris: exactly, the demo convinced me Koha was well worth watching years ago, despite misconfiguration and fewer features at the time :) |
| 20:53 | ryanbisd | whats the big library thats using koha? |
| 20:53 | thd | chris: there sould be a demo configured for marc and a demo configured for unimarc as long as we cannot have both in one |
| 20:55 | ryanbisd: the Nelsonville Public Library in Ohio | |
| 20:55 | ryanbisd | how many books? |
| 20:55 | thd | ryanbisd: circa 350,000 |
| 20:56 | ryanbisd: I am conspiring with kados for doing something with a library more than an order of magnitude larger. | |
| 20:57 | ryanbisd | wow... |
| 20:57 | do you guys do the mambo thing? | |
| 20:58 | thd | ryanbisd: ask kados about mambo he had been busy with his ALA convention contacts earlier |
| 21:01 | chris | would be good to have one with marc turned off too |
| 21:01 | (its all still stored in marc, it just doesnt bombard the librarians with it) | |
| 21:02 | ryanbisd | how much do you guys charge to convert and setup a sytem? |
| 21:03 | chris | who katipo? |
| 21:04 | ryanbisd | yeah |
| 21:04 | I mean... just a general figure. | |
| 21:04 | chris | ummm |
| 21:04 | i dont think we have one .. it all depends on the size of the library | |
| 21:05 | ryanbisd | ahh... |
| 21:05 | thd | thd: I have no such services, chris, you are the only one paying attention to ask. |
| 21:06 | chris | i dont actually know myself |
| 21:06 | rach | I'm not sure how big your library is - but we start around $5000 NZ for a smallish private library |
| 21:06 | chris | the project managers deal with that ;) |
| 21:06 | and heres one now :) | |
| 21:06 | rach | which is about $3500 mabe US at current exchange rates |
| 21:06 | that generally includes some customisation or a server | |
| 21:07 | ryanbisd | right. |
| 21:07 | rach | http://www.katipo.co.nz/soluti[…]koha/pricing.html |
| 21:08 | if it helps | |
| 21:10 | ryanbisd | cool.. |
| 21:12 | Genji | hiya ythere rach! |
| 21:12 | rach | hi - I'm just passing through - on a deadline for a quote at the moment |
| 21:45 | thd | chris: how compete is the map at http://koha.org/about/map/index.html ? I do undrstand that there is no reporting obligation for using Koha. How much do you think is missing? |
| 21:45 | chris | hard to know |
| 21:45 | my guyess is lots | |
| 21:45 | since if you google around .. you find koha opacs that arent listed | |
| 21:46 | i think we have *most* of the ones in production | |
| 21:46 | as people tend to be proud and report those | |
| 21:46 | thd | chris: as well they should be :) |
| 21:50 | chris: I was suprised to find so few in absolute terms on your map near New Zealand. | |
| 21:51 | chris | new zealand itself needs to be updated |
| 21:52 | one we are working on now .. but there are 2 other libraries that run koha that arent on that map | |
| 21:52 | at least | |
| 21:52 | problem is .. they are all in wellington :) | |
| 21:52 | no room for any more dots | |
| 21:53 | kados | hopefully the new website map won't be limited in that way ;-) |
| 21:53 | howdy chris | |
| 21:53 | chris | we might need to zoom in even more |
| 21:53 | kados | yep |
| 21:53 | maybe using google maps | |
| 21:54 | thd | spot the building with the koha server :) |
| 21:54 | ryanbisd | Kados... |
| 21:54 | chris | we are doing the second public library in NZ at the moment |
| 21:55 | kados | ryanbisd: yea? |
| 21:55 | ryanbisd | I did you see the email I posted earlier? |
| 21:55 | kados | ryanbisd: title? |
| 21:55 | chris | which should help more nz libraries see the benefits |
| 21:55 | they tend to be pretty cautious :) | |
| 21:55 | ryanbisd | title? |
| 21:55 | kados | ryanbisd: I dont' see an email from you today |
| 21:56 | ryanbisd: on koha-devel? | |
| 21:56 | ryanbisd | ohh... I posted it in here |
| 21:56 | kados | nope ... didnt' see it ... not up with the logs ;-) |
| 21:56 | thd | chris: what are NZ libraries cautious about? |
| 21:57 | chris | change :) |
| 21:57 | thats probably being a bit harsh | |
| 21:57 | thd | chris: thats a universal caution for everyone :) |
| 21:57 | chris | yep |
| 21:57 | i think there is a bit of the too good to be true element | |
| 21:58 | kados | ryanbisd: hmmm ... about the circ reports |
| 21:58 | ryanbisd: the reports visible are just a fraction of the reports possible | |
| 21:58 | ryanbisd: esp with the new report module | |
| 21:58 | chris | the other thing that koha has .. is that we dont hide the data |
| 21:58 | kados | ryanbisd: Koha can probably generate reports your current ILS couldn't even imagine doing ;-) |
| 21:59 | ryanbisd | is there anyway you could email me a list of what all is possible with koha.... so I can answer and nip in the bud any doubts they ahve |
| 21:59 | we're using follett | |
| 21:59 | kados | ryanbisd: also ... doing linked subject searches is very possible ;-) |
| 21:59 | chris | so anyone who knows a bit of sql,and has the access .. can build any report they want |
| 21:59 | kados | ryanbisd: Koha is much more advanced than follett in every way ;-) |
| 21:59 | ryanbisd | Im already sold... |
| 21:59 | kados | ryanbisd: (maybe a bit of an over statement ;-)) |
| 21:59 | ryanbisd | its the other people.. |
| 22:00 | kados | ryanbisd: I don't have a comprehensive list of features that I can just pull out of my ass unfortunately |
| 22:00 | ryanbisd | hahahahaha |
| 22:00 | chris | we probably should write one |
| 22:00 | and try and keep it up to date | |
| 22:00 | kados | yep |
| 22:00 | chris | we need more volunteer writers |
| 22:01 | lord knows you dont want me writing stuff | |
| 22:01 | kados | heh |
| 22:01 | just code chris ;-) | |
| 22:01 | chris | heh |
| 22:04 | thd | perhaps a comparison chart with other ILS systems, to show the equivalence of Koha |
| 22:04 | kados | thd: coming in the Feb issue of Computers in Libraries ;-) |
| 22:05 | thd | kados: so you have the preprint? |
| 22:05 | kados | thd: not yet ... but I filled out the survey |
| 22:06 | thd: and was guaranteed that Koha would be listed | |
| 22:06 | thd | kados: do they do such a survey regularly? |
| 22:07 | ryanbisd | oh yeah, Kados... is Mambo comparable to First Class? |
| 22:07 | kados | thd: they've been doing a bunch of surveys on thing in libraries |
| 22:07 | thd: the Feb thing is ILSes ;-) | |
| 22:07 | ryanbisd: First Class? never heard of it | |
| 22:07 | ryanbisd: there are so many CMSes out there | |
| 22:07 | it's impossible to keep up | |
| 22:07 | ryanbisd | http://www.firstclass.com/ |
| 22:07 | its what we use.... I think is pretty much school oriented | |
| 22:08 | kados | last year I did a sort of survey of ILSes and found that Mambo was the best one in terms of functions and community support |
| 22:08 | as well as add-on modules | |
| 22:09 | at first glance I'd say Mambo has quite a bit more to offer | |
| 22:09 | thd | http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ not all information is complete or up to date |
| 22:10 | kados | yea ... like firstclass isn't even listed ;-) |
| 22:11 | ryanbisd | I hate it.. |
| 22:11 | its the worst | |
| 22:11 | kados | :-) |
| 22:11 | ryanbisd: have you seen LibLime's Mambo demos? | |
| 22:11 | thd | kados: they do have more than a few, there are just so many now, as you said |
| 22:11 | ryanbisd | yeah, I looked at them today |
| 22:12 | I sent the link to the boss man.. | |
| 22:12 | kados | what'd you think? |
| 22:12 | ahh | |
| 22:12 | ryanbisd | looks good.. |
| 22:12 | kados | cool ... we have been focusing so much on Koha and not so much on Mambo |
| 22:12 | but Mambo's really a solid choice for CMS | |
| 22:12 | and would be a great way to run a website for a library | |
| 22:13 | as well as a staff intranet | |
| 22:13 | the modules we've got running on LibLime are just a sampling | |
| 22:13 | there are some really cool modules for mambo | |
| 22:14 | we use Mambo internally for our intranet as well as our customer support center | |
| 22:14 | ryanbisd | thats cool, I know we still have a year left with the firstclass people.. |
| 22:14 | kados | gotcha |
| 22:14 | do they host it for you? | |
| 22:15 | thd | kados: have you used zope? |
| 22:15 | ryanbisd | BUT... since me and and another guy started in the dept... we've switched over to a lot of linux solutions |
| 22:15 | kados | thd: that's one of the ones I compared with Mambo a while ago |
| 22:15 | ryanbisd | so, one piece at a time... |
| 22:15 | indradg | hi |
| 22:15 | kados | at the time it's features were comparable |
| 22:15 | ryanbisd | we've installed asterix |
| 22:15 | or.. however you spell it. | |
| 22:16 | kados | but the modules weren't nearly as comprehensive and the community wasn't as supporte as well |
| 22:16 | ryanbisd: sweet | |
| 22:16 | ryanbisd: asterix is the shit of a PBX system, etc. | |
| 22:16 | ryanbisd | yeah... |
| 22:17 | we're setting up lines for all teachers | |
| 22:17 | its pretty cool... | |
| 22:17 | we have squid and dansgaurdian.. | |
| 22:17 | kados | squidguard too? |
| 22:18 | ryanbisd | not squidguard |
| 22:18 | its called dansgaurdian | |
| 22:18 | kados | squidguard's good for blocking by URL |
| 22:18 | ryanbisd | probably similar |
| 22:18 | kados | yea I know dansguardian |
| 22:18 | it blocks by content | |
| 22:18 | completely different methods | |
| 22:18 | ryanbisd | right.. |
| 22:18 | kados | but useful when used together |
| 22:19 | discriminet uses both | |
| 22:19 | ryanbisd | we were using something called websense... |
| 22:19 | which was both expensive, and a POS | |
| 22:19 | kados | yea |
| 22:19 | I wrote discriminet for NPL because we've been using IPrism | |
| 22:20 | thd | kados: do you know if mambo has expandable tree views for supporting tree browsing as in Ovid's Medline/PubMed front end tool? |
| 22:20 | kados | which costs like 1.5K per year |
| 22:20 | ryanbisd | wow.. |
| 22:20 | kados | we've got one box deployed as a test site |
| 22:20 | and we'll have the whole system running on Discriminet in about a month | |
| 22:21 | (license with IPrism expires in 60 days ;-)) | |
| 22:21 | ryanbisd | all I know is, follett quoted us around 100k to upgrade our system, and renew the license we have with them |
| 22:21 | kados | then I'll do a public release of the software |
| 22:21 | heh | |
| 22:21 | how many items? | |
| 22:21 | annual circ? | |
| 22:21 | ryanbisd | Umm... im not sure... |
| 22:21 | 7 schools | |
| 22:21 | 2 of those are middle schools and 1 highschool | |
| 22:22 | indradg | kados, anything major happening on #koha in the last couple of days? |
| 22:22 | kados | indradg: well ... nothing major in the last couple of days |
| 22:22 | indradg | i just got back from yet another sales trip |
| 22:22 | kados | indradg: but stick around ;-) |
| 22:23 | indradg: we're getting ready for some intensive Zebra discussions | |
| 22:23 | I'll be making an announcement pretty soon | |
| 22:23 | indradg | nice |
| 22:27 | ryanbisd | later guys |
| 22:28 | thd | kados: well I just found a tree view for mambo. |
| 22:28 | kados | thd: :-) |
| 22:28 | chris | 100k US ... thats money for jam |
| 22:28 | kados | Genji: you around? |
| 22:29 | chris: 100K? | |
| 22:29 | chris | <ryanbisd:#koha> all I know is, follett quoted us around 100k to upgrade our system, |
| 22:29 | kados | ahh |
| 22:29 | yea ;-) | |
| 22:30 | chris there's a new FRBR algorithm just published by OCLC | |
| 22:30 | thought you might be interested | |
| 22:30 | as it's kinda like the original Koha tables | |
| 22:30 | chris | heh |
| 22:30 | yeah i saw that | |
| 22:31 | kados | did you have a look at the PDF? |
| 22:31 | http://www.oclc.org/research/p[…]rbr/algorithm.htm | |
| 22:31 | if you reg you can download it | |
| 22:31 | it doesn't look to complex to implement | |
| 22:32 | basically a method for matching MARC records to each other to build the levels of FRBR | |
| 22:33 | thd | kados: I am looking for tree displays like the one described as tree display at http://www.ovid.com/site/help/[…]s/user_guide.html |
| 22:34 | kados: how did the orginal koha tables support FRBR? | |
| 22:34 | kados | thd: well the didn't support FRBR ... they predated it |
| 22:34 | but they basically (still) consist of | |
| 22:34 | biblio, biblioitem, and item | |
| 22:35 | which is very similar to FRBR's scheme | |
| 22:35 | biblio being the work | |
| 22:35 | chris | its a much more normailised version of storing the data |
| 22:35 | kados | biblioitem being one manifestation of the work |
| 22:36 | and an item being the physical item in the library | |
| 22:36 | chris | its what happens when you let a compsci graduate design a library system |
| 22:36 | kados | :-) |
| 22:36 | it's really tough to normalize a MARC record | |
| 22:36 | chris | yep |
| 22:37 | thd | kados: OCLCs early experiments showed that the bibliographic information in their database only allowed for reliable identification at the work rather than the edition or manifestation level if I remember correctly. |
| 22:37 | kados | yep ... sounds right |
| 22:38 | hi there mason | |
| 22:38 | thd | kind of disappointing to not have better reliable identification out of all the information in MARC records |
| 22:39 | mason | hey kados, we havent had time to chat yet aye? |
| 22:39 | kados | nope ;-) |
| 22:42 | thd | kados: xisbn is an incomplete model because of the recency of ISBNs if for no others. |
| 22:43 | kados | mason: so chris tells me you've got a library background |
| 22:43 | thd: yep | |
| 22:44 | thd: PINES has a somewhat FRBRized method for deriving a super-record | |
| 22:44 | thd | kados: but since OCLC has all that good data, you could build something on top of the results fetched from XISBN after fetching the matching records |
| 22:44 | kados | thd: based on adding the numeric value for the ascii string of title and author and comparning it to other records ... |
| 22:46 | thd | kados: is that the normalised title and author? |
| 22:46 | kados | yea |
| 22:46 | from what I understand -- I haven't looked at the code | |
| 22:48 | mason | kados: yup about the library background |
| 22:49 | kados | mason: ever hang out on freenode.net #code4lib? |
| 22:49 | mason: good group of hacker librarians there | |
| 22:50 | thd | kados: how much of PINES is C++, a language with which I have no experience? |
| 22:50 | kados | thd: 42.934% by my last count ;-) |
| 22:51 | thd | :) |
| 22:53 | kados: they have tied it tightly to mozilla using XUL. | |
| 22:54 | chris | yep |
| 22:54 | i reckon you could do a XUL koha circulations pretty easily | |
| 22:55 | kados | yea ... just the staff interface is tied to XUL |
| 22:55 | which in my view is fine | |
| 22:55 | thd | chris: I hope for more open and flexible adaptable solutions than XUL |
| 22:55 | kados | since you can control staff browser usage |
| 22:55 | mason | kados: ive havent been on irc in ages, but i will have a look, thanks for the info |
| 22:56 | kados | thd: proposals for how to lower the html overhead are welcome |
| 22:56 | thd | kados: circulation is not my area of expertise |
| 22:56 | chris | i really should finish my curses interface again |
| 22:56 | kados | :-) |
| 22:56 | chris | its issuing |
| 22:56 | kados | chris: it's one of those things we've been talking about for like three years ;-) |
| 22:57 | chris | yeah |
| 22:57 | moretime.pl | |
| 22:57 | kados | I tried to pass the buck to the ohio university students |
| 22:57 | but they never pick up that project ;-) | |
| 22:57 | chris | :) |
| 22:57 | thd | kados: to be honest, actually selling the items in the collection is my background |
| 22:57 | kados | :-) |
| 22:57 | selling library books is a crime where I live ;-) | |
| 22:58 | course that never stops some people ;-) | |
| 22:58 | thd | kados: it should be |
| 22:58 | kados | hehe |
| 22:58 | thd | kados: I have been a bookseller for almost two decades |
| 22:58 | kados | I think we recently discovered that something like 40% of our AV sollecction is longoverdue or missing |
| 22:59 | thd | kados: not library books |
| 22:59 | kados | thd: :-) |
| 22:59 | by 'our' I'm referring to Nelsonville's | |
| 22:59 | and by sollecction I mean collection ;-) | |
| 23:00 | thd | kados: of course some places, like the famous case of the San Francisco Public library move just destroy books without examination or trying to sell them |
| 23:01 | kados | ok ... now it's officially a holiday ... I'm out ;-) |
| 23:01 | chris | cya kados |
| 23:02 | thd | kados: happy holiday :) |
| 23:23 | does anyone have a copy of the Evergreen cataloging demo? http://open-ils.org/downloads/evergreen.txt | |
| 23:27 | "(Update: April 5, 2004. This demo has been discontinued. The next demo is due out in Mid-May. )" | |
| 23:28 | May has not happened yet in Georgia :( | |
| 02:39 | paul | hello francoisl |
| 02:39 | FrancoisL | SAlut Paul ! Ca va ? |
| 02:40 | paul | yes. J'étais supposé etre en vacances, mais j'ai reporté de 3 jours. |
| 02:40 | je pars mercredi | |
| 02:40 | FrancoisL | :) |
| 02:40 | Grosse réunion au SAN jeudi... | |
| 02:40 | paul | trop de travail, même avec super hdl qui vient de pointer le bout de son clavier par ici. |
| 02:40 | ;-) | |
| 02:40 | quel genre la "grosse réunion" ? | |
| 02:41 | FrancoisL | Tout le monde + Roux-Fouillet |
| 02:41 | Analyse de la "matrice", organisation des développemnts... | |
| 02:41 | paul | tout le monde sauf moi ;-) |
| 02:41 | FrancoisL | ... ils plippent un peu ! |
| 02:41 | (flippent) | |
| 02:41 | paul | comme c'est inattendu... |
| 02:41 | hdl | bonjour tout le monde ;) |
| 02:41 | FrancoisL | Sauf toi si ce n'est de coeur :) |
| 02:41 | paul | tiens, chtite remarque : il y a certaines choses faciles, et d'autres difficiles. |
| 02:42 | mettre les faciles au début. | |
| 02:42 | FrancoisL | Tout à fait d'ac' |
| 02:42 | QUe penses-tu de la dernière version du plan de dév' ? | |
| 02:42 | Réaliste ? | |
| 02:43 | A coté de la plaque ? | |
| 02:43 | Drôle ? | |
| 02:43 | paul | rien à en redire. par contre, je vais envoyer un mail sur koha-devel avec ce que hdl et moi allons développer soon. |
| 02:43 | FrancoisL | OK - je suis avec attention... |
| 02:43 | paul | drole, pas vraiment, mais tu n'es pas muriel robin... |
| 02:43 | FrancoisL | Oh, lui ! |
| 02:43 | paul | in pierre palmade si tu préfères cette comparaison. |
| 02:44 | ni mimi matthy | |
| 02:44 | => [] sort en courant par la fenêtre | |
| 02:44 | FrancoisL | Ni Lafesse |
| 02:44 | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh | |
| 02:44 | paul | ah, lui je le trouve de temps en temps excellent, mais j'ai du mal avec le fait de rire de quelqu'un qui ne sait pas qu'on se moque de lui. |
| 02:44 | FrancoisL | C'est tjrs gentil... |
| 02:45 | ... et bien observé ! | |
| 06:15 | hdl | hi |
| 10:28 | hi shaun | |
| 10:44 | shaun | hi hdl |
| 10:45 | hdl | how are you ? |
| 10:45 | shaun | excellent thanks, exams all over, should be able to do some kohaing tonight, you? |
| 10:47 | hdl | health is ok... But my love's at 3000 miles away, and my computers are in trouble |
| 10:48 | paul | both computer ? |
| 10:48 | hdl | Unfortunately. One had a freeze. The other can't start X server.. Font problem. |
| 10:50 | Now the new one is ok without wifi... But I had many troubles with Internet connection and wanad@@@@!!! who uploads new configuration without noticing users. | |
| 10:50 | 2hrs with hotline this morning. | |
| 10:51 | In the end, the woman asked.... Are you angry ??? | |
| 10:51 | Can you imagine ??? | |
| 10:54 | shaun | hdl: and i thought i was having a tough time with my long distance relationship of 23 miles... O_o |
| 10:56 | paul | the good news for hdl is that he's wife will come back in 1 week with a baby ;-) |
| 10:56 | (note that it makes waiting even harder...) | |
| 10:58 | adoption is an english word ? | |
| 10:58 | shaun | yep |
| 10:58 | paul | so adoption ;-) |
| 10:58 | shaun | ok, that makes more sense :-) |
| 10:59 | paul | (sorry hdl if you didn't want to speak of this. But having 1 year old baby is hard to explain in 2 weeks ;-) ) |
| 10:59 | (having a 1 year old baby in 2 weeks is hard to explain) | |
| 11:04 | hdl | No problem |
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