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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:01 | thd | hdl: Now the popup changes from "still ?? results to go" to "still 1 result to go" to a continuously refreshing nothing found. |
| 12:02 | hdl: yet, the console shows 3 records found. | |
| 12:03 | hdl | then you may be searching for sthg YOU ALREADY have in your base. or the rsults match some records you already have. |
| 12:07 | Sorry, I am not narrow-minded nor monomaniac, but I really think Taht if you sarched for utterly brand new things, you would get answers | |
| 12:09 | thd | hdl: I will search now for something completely different : ) |
| 12:10 | hdl: line 103: refresh => ($numberpending eq 0 ? "" : "search.pl?bibid=$bibid&random=$random"), | |
| 12:18 | hdl: I have the same popup results with a different title. Possibly, no "still 1 result to go" but ending in "nothing found". 1 record found on the console. | |
| 12:20 | hdl: tipaul updated processz3950queue "synch'ing 2.2 and head" committed 20 June. | |
| 12:21 | hdl: Are tipaul, paul, and paul_away names for the same person? | |
| 12:23 | hdl: Well, I know paul and paul_away are different phases of paul but is he tipaul? | |
| 12:33 | hdl | yes ;) |
| 12:36 | Try lyon or another z3950 server... | |
| 12:36 | thd | hdl: Is a continuously refreshing "nothing found popup the expected result for a title that does not exist in the searched databases. |
| 12:36 | hdl | No. |
| 12:36 | Especially for a new title. | |
| 12:37 | But I know that there is a trick with MARC:: Record. One MUST have a leader. | |
| 12:38 | You should maybe try a different server. | |
| 12:39 | LYON3 193.52.199.5 21210 ADVANCE 1 3 MARC21 | |
| 12:39 | Here is one. | |
| 12:39 | Copy/paste from Koha. | |
| 12:39 | Maybe LOC... | |
| 12:41 | thd | hdl: I had not tested recently with LC after initial failure because I had seen an earlier reported problem with LC searches from koha. |
| 12:41 | hdl: Does LC work for you now? | |
| 12:45 | hdl: invented non-existent title on UC MELVYL gave me the same results in the popup and no records found on the console. | |
| 12:46 | hdl | That seems OK. ;) |
| 12:47 | LOC is also ok... But I got no title... I am in UNIMARC flavour. | |
| 12:48 | Sure enough, would I be in US-MARC/MARC21 It would be ok. | |
| 12:49 | thd... Sorry. But I must leave now. | |
| 12:49 | thd | hdl: I thought z39.50 was supposed to convert between USMARC and UNIMARC. |
| 12:50 | hdl: the conversion is supposed to be server side. | |
| 12:50 | hdl | Yes, should do. |
| 12:50 | Now that procesz3950queue is tested, you should try to launch z | |
| 12:51 | the deamon. | |
| 12:51 | indradg | hdl, hi... back again |
| 12:51 | as myself :) | |
| 12:52 | hdl | server side : means on Koha Side... Maybe, but I couldn't get the correct title. Maybe using a MARC21 Koha would bring the results. |
| 12:52 | hi indradg. | |
| 12:53 | I only have a few minutes. | |
| 12:53 | indradg | hdl, yes... need a place to ftp up the ISO |
| 12:54 | kados added my id into koha devel list... but I hvn't tested out the sourceforge file-release yes | |
| 13:02 | thd | hdl: by server side I meant that if you request a UNIMARC record from z3950.loc.gov:7090 voyager if they are providing proper services the Koha client should get a UNIMARC record sent by the LC server. But which is named the client and which is the server or which is the origin and which is the target may be confused easily in reference to z39.50. |
| 13:08 | hdl | thd : seems not. |
| 13:08 | Querying in UNIMARC bugs at LOC. | |
| 13:09 | But what is obvious to me is that we should be able to decode a MARC21 into UNIMARC : LYON3 server sends MARC21... | |
| 13:09 | thd | hdl: but should work according to z39.50 although LC never supported very many z39.50 services. |
| 13:09 | hdl | Is LOC Z3950 not fully MARC21 compliant ? |
| 13:10 | don't know. But leaving this question unanswered. | |
| 13:10 | WEEK-END. | |
| 13:36 | thd | slef: when launching the z3950 daemon does the process starting the daemon need the environment variables in advance or is that only an issue for processz3950queue in console mode? |
| 13:39 | slef: read user for process above. Does the user need the envorment variables to launch the daemon? | |
| 13:48 | slef | yes |
| 13:49 | I think so, at least | |
| 13:49 | maybe I'm wrong | |
| 13:49 | 1mo, I'll read the fine source | |
| 13:49 | (sorry, I was away printing a t-shirt) | |
| 13:49 | (laser transfer paper++) | |
| 13:50 | no, I'm wrong. It's only if you run processz3950 itself | |
| 13:51 | the z3950-daemon-shell.sh sets it up | |
| 13:57 | thd | slef: that was my understanding of the source comments at least. |
| 13:57 | slef: what could be killing my daemon? | |
| 13:59 | slef | thd: if I knew that, we'd have solved this! ;-) |
| 13:59 | let me read scrollback a mo | |
| 13:59 | thd | slef: I cannot find any perl process running ever that might be the daemon. |
| 14:01 | slef | thd: try this in a clean shell |
| 14:02 | . z3950-daemon-options | |
| 14:02 | export KohaZ3950Dir | |
| 14:02 | su -c ./z3950-daemon-shell.sh - www | |
| 14:04 | thd | slef: commands should be run from z3950daemon dir? |
| 14:05 | slef | thd: yes |
| 14:05 | thd | slef: root or sudo should run these comands? |
| 14:05 | slef | mmm, root I think (sorry!) |
| 14:07 | Do you know Locale::Maketext at all? | |
| 14:07 | heh, wrong window | |
| 14:07 | never mind, here is good | |
| 14:09 | thd | slef: no I have never programmed with that module |
| 14:09 | slef: what here is good? | |
| 14:10 | slef | indradg: Do you know Locale::Maketext at all? |
| 14:11 | thd: that question | |
| 14:11 | thd: I meant to put it somewhere else | |
| 14:13 | indradg | slef, not the module in question... however I have used Java Standard Tag library.... which is essentially the same... the DSpace folks are using the Standard Tag Library in forthcoming release of DSpace |
| 14:14 | slef | I'm wondering whether koha should start moving towards Locale::Maketext now that it's in the perl core since 5.8 |
| 14:16 | indradg | It would probably make more sense than the tmpl_process3.pl which we now use |
| 14:16 | structurally more elegant | |
| 14:17 | thd | slef: I find no perl process running but there is an su process running for www now |
| 14:21 | slef | I wonder whether it would be fast enough for "live" translation. |
| 14:21 | thd: that's odd. :-/ | |
| 14:21 | indradg | slef, hmmm.. that we need to check out |
| 14:22 | slef | indradg: I may try using it for the installer, if we can figure out how to handle systems without it (perl 5.6). |
| 14:23 | indradg | sounds good to me |
| 14:23 | slef | thd: can you copy your z3950daemon dir somewhere I can see it? |
| 14:44 | thd | Oops closesed my irc client : ] |
| 14:50 | slef: check your email for a message with "be careful with this info in the subject" | |
| 14:52 | indradg | slef, i'm going to get some shut-eye now.... I shud be back in abt 4.5 hrs |
| 14:52 | hopefully the upload will be done by then | |
| 14:53 | thd | indrag: you can manage with ony 4.5 hours sleep a day? |
| 14:55 | indradg: I want that secret : ) | |
| 14:57 | slef: Did you get my email? | |
| 16:00 | slef | thd: back from dinner now, will check |
| 16:00 | thd: it's been so hot here, 4h sleep is the order of the day :-/ | |
| 16:01 | thd | slef: I will be away for circa 3 hours. |
| 16:02 | slef: indrag sleeps for 4.5 hr and you sleep for 4 hr., how do you manage on so little? :) | |
| 16:04 | slef | thd: lots of coffee and a bit grumpy at the minute. ;-) Seriously, the humidity has broken now. |
| 16:09 | thd: can you copy a daemon log file to that dir, please? | |
| 16:13 | thd: change first line of z3950-daemon-shell.sh to #!/bin/sh -x, kill the su and rerun it | |
| 19:06 | thd | slef: there is no daemon log |
| 19:06 | slef: The daemon log is empty | |
| 19:08 | slef: with the information you have you can inspect most of the file system | |
| 19:13 | slef: you can even use ssh | |
| 19:17 | indradg | slef, around? |
| 19:19 | thd | indradg: slef said something about 4h sleep circa 3h ago. |
| 19:21 | indradg: how do you manage with just 4.5 hr. sleep? | |
| 19:23 | indradg | thd, heh... good genes and iron clad constitution i guess ;) |
| 19:25 | thd | indradg: I guess there is no trick I can learn then, to keep working with little sleep and be fully alert and functional :) |
| 19:26 | indradg | lol |
| 19:32 | hmmm... upload completed :D | |
| 19:32 | slef, LiveCD upload completed ... ping me when awake | |
| 19:54 | thd | slef: the running su process for user www is the one that activated the www user |
| 19:55 | slef: no perl process running | |
| 20:16 | indradg | thd, slef isn't back yet i guess |
| 20:22 | thd | 25/06/05 09:00:32+-5<slef:#koha>thd: it's been so hot here, 4h sleep is the order of the day :-/ |
| 20:22 | 25/06/05 09:01:09+-5<thd:#koha>slef: I will be away for circa 3 hours. | |
| 20:22 | 25/06/05 09:02:32+-5<thd:#koha>slef: indrag sleeps for 4.5 hr and you sleep for 4 hr., how do you manage on so little? :) | |
| 20:22 | 25/06/05 09:04:08+-5<slef:#koha>thd: lots of coffee and a bit grumpy at the minute. ;-) Seriously, the humidity has broken now. | |
| 20:23 | kados | booth is setup and we're finally settled in |
| 20:23 | thd | kados: so you don't have 1,000 orders yet? :) |
| 20:25 | kados: are you there? I do have a serious question. | |
| 20:26 | kados: about the liblime demo. | |
| 20:26 | kados | yep |
| 20:26 | here | |
| 20:27 | I got your email | |
| 20:27 | indradg | kados, upload completed... we have used the NPL templates :) |
| 20:27 | kados | great! |
| 20:28 | should I begin downloading the files? | |
| 20:28 | thd | kados: why does the z3950 service on the liblime demo do nothing? |
| 20:28 | indradg | pls go ahead |
| 20:28 | kados | ok i will |
| 20:28 | thd: ? | |
| 20:28 | do you mean the z39.50 client? | |
| 20:28 | I've diabled it | |
| 20:28 | disabled it | |
| 20:28 | thd | kados: yes |
| 20:29 | kados: but you had it working previously? | |
| 20:29 | kados | indradg: ok ... starting now |
| 20:29 | thd: of course | |
| 20:29 | indradg | kados, can u gimme access to the sf.net FRS for Koha... I can do the LiveCD release then |
| 20:29 | kados, kewl! | |
| 20:29 | kados | indradg: not sure where you mean |
| 20:30 | indradg | kados, the sf.net file release system (anon ftp uploads into the incoming ftp directory) |
| 20:30 | doesnt make much sense to use CVS for a 272MB binary ISO | |
| 20:31 | kados | ahh ... right |
| 20:31 | thd | kados: was there a change for marc import between 2.2.1 and 2.2.2b that may have caused records without ISBNs to fail to import? |
| 20:31 | kados | could you wait till I get back from ALA on Wendesday? |
| 20:32 | thd: not sure ... haven't had that problem myself | |
| 20:33 | thd | kados: liblime demo works fine for marc import. Something may have gone worg after 2.2.1 |
| 20:33 | indradg | kados, sure thing! in the meantime we will polish out a few typos that are there... and perhaps incorporate the suggestions u / slef may have to make... personally I want to add a few more Koha propaganda material in the bootsplash sequenc |
| 20:34 | s/sequenc/sequence/ | |
| 20:34 | thd | kados: It can wait until you have a few hundred more customers after Wednesday :) |
| 20:37 | kados: You should be aware of a design problem I have realised aflicts koha. | |
| 20:39 | kados: the prescribed subfield sort order in koha is not always correct and cannot be specified or stored correctly with the current database design. | |
| 20:39 | indradg | kados, couple of things abt the CD that u shud know |
| 20:41 | kados, to exit from the CD, the steps are Action -> Logout -> End current Session, once you are down to the command line, type 'halt' to stop the system, the koha userid/passwd are kohaadmin/kohaadmin | |
| 20:42 | the OPAC and Intranet interfaces are available as Personal Toolbar Bookmarks on Firefox | |
| 20:44 | thd | kados: subfield order should be included in the record as specified by the cataloguer. The koha subfield default is not always correct, although, it may work for most cases and most fields. |
| 20:45 | kados: the issue leads to data loss when the order is not preserved. Data in the wrong order is data loss and it matters greatly for subject headings for example. | |
| 20:46 | kados: Wait til after Wednesday, but think about it a little. | |
| 20:47 | kados: If you can. | |
| 20:52 | kados: an example: 650#0$aVocal music$zFrance$y18th century would become 650#0$aVocal music$y18th century$zFrance in Koha and could not be specified correctly by the cataloguer. There are much more plainly wrong examples but I had that one at hand :) | |
| 20:55 | rach | afternoon |
| 21:00 | indradg | rach, hi |
| 21:00 | thd | kados: In case some prospective clients surprises you with this, tell them a fix is coming by the next major version release :) |
| 21:03 | indradg: the boot demo cd is now working? | |
| 21:03 | indradg | thd, yup |
| 21:04 | thd | indradg: does it run the z3950 client? |
| 21:04 | indradg | thd, haven't tested that |
| 21:05 | i do use the client for regular work | |
| 21:05 | thd | indradg: I have been trying to discover why I cannot get the daemon to run. |
| 21:09 | indradg: what is the size of the demo download? | |
| 21:10 | indradg | thd, 272 MB |
| 21:10 | thd, but it isn't in a public d/l area yet | |
| 21:11 | kados | indradg: download complete |
| 21:11 | thd | indradg: too much for my poor connection where I am now yet anyways : / |
| 21:11 | kados | I've got some eating to do in Chicago ;-) |
| 21:11 | indradg | kados, great! |
| 21:25 | rach, around? | |
| 21:46 | rach | yep |
| 21:46 | popping in and out between bouts of washing and other saturday chores | |
| 21:46 | indradg | rach, aah! |
| 21:47 | we have use the Koha blob extensively on the LiveCD | |
| 21:47 | rach | cool |
| 22:07 | thd | indradg: does the Event module compile to any special location? |
| 22:07 | indradg | thd, special location as in? |
| 22:08 | i've compiled it always just like the rest of koha's perl deps | |
| 22:08 | thd | indradg: I cannot find the path to the Event module on my system |
| 22:08 | indradg | u r on what distro? |
| 22:09 | thd | indradg: I have koha installed on OSX which is based very loosely on FreeBSD |
| 22:09 | indradg | have u installed Event.pm? |
| 22:10 | thd, ok... i've never used OSX... but shud be similar | |
| 22:10 | thd | indradg: yes but the current version fails 1 test for everyone on all systems and I did a force install for the first time |
| 22:12 | indradg | hmm |
| 22:13 | thd | indradg: I want to remove Event and reinstall an older version manually but I cannot find it to remove. |
| 22:15 | indradg | thd, i suppose u have already tried using 'locate Event.pm' |
| 22:15 | thd | indradg: on your system do you see Event in the same general path with other perl modules |
| 22:15 | indradg: not yet :) | |
| 22:15 | indradg | thd, 1 sec |
| 22:15 | brb | |
| 22:17 | thd | indradg: Its with the modules compiled with threads on my system, very bad. |
| 22:20 | indradg | thd, did u check under /usr/local/lib/perl <and subsequent directories>? |
| 22:21 | thd | indradg: I found it in the threaded modules directory. Event should not be threaded. |
| 22:22 | indradg | i c |
| 01:20 | Genji | just finished updating cvs with my detail search options bar, as seen in http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/ko[…]ideas_details_001 |
| 01:24 | anyone active here? | |
| 01:58 | slef | Millions of Peaches. |
| 01:58 | Genji | hiya slef |
| 01:58 | so to speak. | |
| 02:02 | slef | cool |
| 02:02 | I'm trying to get this cd visible before leaving for www.lugradio.org/live/2005/ | |
| 02:03 | but source-oh-forget-it is on another go-slow :-/ | |
| 02:07 | oh come on!]# | |
| 02:13 | Genji | so i noticed. my cvs even timed out in one update. |
| 02:13 | slef | indradg: sorry man, but this must wait until I get back from LRL :-( |
| 02:15 | Genji | ya speaking at lugradio? |
| 02:16 | slef | nope, couldn't get paper together in time |
| 02:16 | I'm a walking advert (printed a t-shirt yesterday) | |
| 02:17 | Genji | Koha? |
| 02:17 | slef | koha's on it |
| 02:17 | Genji | cool. |
| 02:17 | slef | along with the other stuff I do |
| 02:17 | aw heck, I wanted to hack up my enquiry form a bit | |
| 02:41 | unmadindu | kados: ping |
| 06:46 | kados | and heads out for the first day at ALA |
| 07:00 | osmoze | hello all |
| 07:00 | paul_away, quand tu reviens, tu peux me donner l adresse exacte du LiveCD donner en titre du chan, je ne le trouve pas | |
| 09:27 | indradg_ | kados: ping |
| 09:31 | hi... anyone around on the weekend? | |
| 10:02 | thd | indradg_: I am around wrestling with compiling Event properly with not even one error on the irksome OS. I had to quit and sleep last night. |
| 10:04 | indradg_: much much more than 4 hr. for my brain to work properly | |
| 10:04 | indradg_ | thd: heh |
| 11:52 | indradg | hi.. back at keyboard |
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