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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 16:24 | slef | What is citylink.co.nz? |
| 16:33 | chris | umm how to describe them |
| 16:34 | they run a big layer 2 network | |
| 16:35 | is their main task, .. they also run things like the peering exchanges, and cafenet | |
| 16:35 | why? | |
| 16:40 | http://www.linuxjournal.com/issue/135 slef if you pick up a linux journal ... they are the cover story | |
| 16:40 | well talking more about wix (the wellington internet exchange) but they do a bit of a citylink history thing | |
| 16:41 | slef | chris: yes, wix is the problem |
| 16:42 | http://mirror.debian.org/ftp.nz.debian.org.html | |
| 16:42 | chris | yep |
| 16:42 | 2 big telcos decided to pull out of the peering exchange | |
| 16:44 | in order to try and extort more money | |
| 16:47 | if you are on lots of other isps, that still peer, you can get to it just fine | |
| 16:48 | but the 2 big telcos here are trying to get their customers to pay to receive, and the content providers to pay to deliver | |
| 16:50 | so they pulled all their routes to wix | |
| 16:50 | and want ppl to negotiate a dedicated connection with them | |
| 16:52 | its a classic geeks vs suits | |
| 16:52 | situation | |
| 17:00 | slef | so is citylink doing the wrong thing, or the telcos connecting to nz? |
| 17:00 | chris | in my opinion the telcos |
| 17:00 | http://publicaddress.net/default,2213.sm#post2213 | |
| 17:01 | that pretty much sums up the situation | |
| 18:02 | Genji | kados, installed the new HEA?D |
| 23:28 | finished my search options sidebar, everything works, and its in HEAD of CVS. | |
| 23:50 | rach | well done |
| 00:09 | Genji | one problem is the search is alittle bit slower, due to the addition of two tables in the mysql 'from' clause. |
| 07:10 | hdl | hi |
| 07:12 | does anyone around has ever dived into MARCdetail code and especially the javascript Active ? | |
| 07:55 | osmoze | bonjour paul |
| 07:55 | paul | salue js |
| 07:55 | osmoze | je n arrives pas a retrouver ton adresse, tu peux me la redonner ? |
| 07:55 | paul | adresse mail ou physique ? |
| 07:56 | osmoze | ( c est pour une invitation pour l innoguration de la mediatheque) |
| 07:56 | physique | |
| 08:06 | paul ? Pour la reinstallation de la 2.0 pour faire l upgrade par la suite, je peux prendre la 2.0.2 ? | |
| 08:07 | paul | oui, il n'y a pas de différence dans les bases. |
| 08:07 | osmoze | merci :) |
| 08:30 | kados | osmoze: hey there osmoze |
| 08:30 | osmoze | kodos ? |
| 08:31 | -o+a | |
| 08:31 | kados | osmoze: it's Joshua ;-) |
| 08:31 | osmoze: do you work for a library? | |
| 08:31 | osmoze | yes, i m admin of a librairy |
| 08:31 | (Lafrancaise, France) | |
| 08:31 | kados | osmoze: right |
| 08:32 | osmoze: so does your library use koha? | |
| 08:32 | osmoze: or are you just investigating? | |
| 08:32 | osmoze | yes of course :) |
| 08:32 | 2.0 | |
| 08:32 | kados | osmoze: great! and paul supports you? |
| 08:32 | osmoze | of course |
| 08:32 | kados | osmoze: :-) |
| 08:32 | osmoze | i ll prepare upgrade to 2.2.3 |
| 08:32 | kados | osmoze: which library is it? |
| 08:32 | paul | (osmoze is "Lafrancaise" public library |
| 08:33 | kados | osmoze: ahh Lafrancaise is a name ... /me thought 'the french' |
| 08:33 | osmoze | ^^ |
| 08:33 | kados | my french is quite bad you know ;-) |
| 08:33 | osmoze | yes, a little 'bourg' near Toulouse (airbus powa) |
| 08:33 | kados | ahh |
| 08:33 | paul | (very little, but 3 branches !) |
| 08:33 | osmoze | it s better that my poor english :) |
| 08:33 | kados | hehe |
| 08:34 | non | |
| 08:34 | paul | osmoze & jean sébastien, that writes sometimes on info is the same person. |
| 08:34 | kados | ahh ... /me knows the second name |
| 08:34 | hi owen | |
| 08:35 | paul | hi owen |
| 08:35 | hdl | hi owen |
| 08:36 | osmoze | hi |
| 08:36 | (owen too ^^) | |
| 08:38 | paul | wow, lot of ppl here today. |
| 08:41 | osmoze | that proves that it is well :) |
| 08:46 | kados | paul: I've got a quick question about dateenrolled/expiry |
| 08:46 | paul | i'm listening. |
| 08:47 | kados | we're testing out the new code where a borrower isn't allowed to issue items if they have expired |
| 08:47 | and I can't find any way to remove the block | |
| 08:47 | I just get a message "issueing impossible" borrower card expired | |
| 08:48 | with now way to override it | |
| 08:48 | paul | just change expiry date ;-) |
| 08:48 | kados | I see ... (our staff will never go for that ;-)) |
| 08:48 | paul | (it's in my release notes : there was bugs in canbookbeissued checking. Fixing it will probably create many many "card expired" |
| 08:48 | kados | right ... we have 13,000 ;-) |
| 08:49 | paul | so, just say 99 years for borrowercategory |
| 08:49 | kados | out of 40,000 expired ;-) |
| 08:49 | paul | and update borrowers set expirydate... |
| 08:49 | owen | kados: how about a button like our 'lift debarrment' button? |
| 08:49 | kados | owen: yea that might be a good idea |
| 08:49 | paul | a single sql request should do the job. |
| 08:49 | kados | owen: but what's the point of keeping track of the borrower expiry anyway? |
| 08:49 | owen: is it a stats thing? | |
| 08:50 | paul | joshua : saying 99 years for borrower duration in borrower category will solve the pb for future borrowers. |
| 08:50 | owen | It's a way to remind the staff to check about changes to address, phone, etc. |
| 08:50 | paul | for existing ones, you just must update the database. |
| 08:50 | kados | right |
| 08:51 | owen: in that case, having the button to lift expiry sort of defeats the purpose ;-) | |
| 08:52 | owen | No, because the staff member can look at their address and phone right on the circulation screen. If it hasn't changed, they can just click the button |
| 08:52 | Otherwise they can click edit to change everything, along with the expiration date | |
| 08:53 | kados | right ... ok ... lets's do that |
| 08:53 | owen | That's how we handled it with Spydus |
| 08:53 | kados | paul: sorry to bother you ;-) |
| 08:53 | paul | no problems. |
| 08:53 | owen | But maybe run it by Stephen... we only did it that way with Spydus because Spydus forced us to. |
| 09:02 | tim | I'm looking at member flags (using the default theme in 2.2.2b) and most of the flags are reapated twice. |
| 09:02 | three of each. | |
| 09:28 | owen | tim, where are you looking? |
| 09:30 | tim | cgi-bin/koha/members/member-flags.pl |
| 09:31 | you probably need to add a member=## | |
| 09:31 | owen | Are you using the default template? |
| 09:33 | paul | tim : maybe you have data twice in userflags table |
| 09:33 | what says select * from userflags. | |
| 09:34 | tim | I looked at that, but they weren't all together like they are in the browser. |
| 09:35 | Checking again with order by flag made it easier to spot. | |
| 09:35 | I wonder how I got that? | |
| 09:35 | And I wonder why I didn't have all of them three times. | |
| 09:35 | So it should be safe to just delete the extras? | |
| 09:37 | Don't have data twice. Have it three times. Except the last three displayed on the page. | |
| 09:37 | How do I remove two of them when there are no unique values to select by? | |
| 09:40 | paul | imho, mysqldump, then truncate, then manually delete lines, then reimport |
| 09:40 | will be the faster | |
| 09:43 | tim | Good idea. Thanks! |
| 09:51 | That looks a lot better. | |
| 09:52 | gavin | hi. is anyone here familiar with the workings of the opac search code? |
| 09:53 | kados | gavin: sure ... paul and I have a pretty good handle on it ;-) |
| 09:53 | gavin | i was thinking you might have :-) |
| 09:53 | kados | gavin: I'd like to see your suggestions -- chris mentioned that you've put together some good stuff |
| 09:54 | gavin | the function catalogsearch returns an ref to array of hashrefs |
| 09:54 | kados | right ... as required by HTML::Template LOOPs |
| 09:54 | gavin | within those hashes there are many entries, one or two i'm not sure about , could you let me know what they are |
| 09:54 | kados | sure |
| 09:55 | paul | (on phone) |
| 09:55 | gavin | (i've been trying to focus specifically on one area and not get drawn to the rest. Must look at HTML::Template though, sounds cool |
| 09:55 | CN? | |
| 09:55 | kados | CN is just an object for storing item information iirc |
| 09:56 | gavin | description, odd, bn, norequests, totitem (actually I think odd is just 1,0,1,0,1,0, ie is this an odd entry? |
| 09:56 | kados | right |
| 09:57 | odd is used for fancy coloring on the results screen | |
| 09:57 | (so every other item has a differnt background color) | |
| 09:57 | gavin | there must be something wrong with my "odd" then as that's what I had guessed but i'm getting all one colour |
| 09:57 | kados | totitem is the total items |
| 09:57 | strange | |
| 09:58 | bn is biblionumber | |
| 09:58 | gavin | (don't worry, it'd efinitely my mistake :) |
| 09:58 | which is already in as biblionumber? | |
| 09:58 | kados | norequests is set to 1 if the items isn't able to be requested |
| 09:58 | hmmm ... maybe | |
| 09:58 | gavin | ah yes |
| 09:58 | not a big deal.... | |
| 09:59 | kados | not sure about description |
| 09:59 | I dont' find that in catalogsearch | |
| 09:59 | where's it coming out? | |
| 09:59 | gavin | I was printing out all elements of the returned array in order to clone that function |
| 10:00 | and it's among them. didn't chase where it came from that much | |
| 10:01 | CN seems (in my minimal test) to be (1,1) | |
| 10:02 | kados | so the HTML::Template LOOP function is critical for understanding why data is pulled out the way it is |
| 10:02 | in HTML Template, just like in Perl, you can have scalar data (TMPL_VAR NAME="") | |
| 10:02 | and array data (TMPL_LOOP NAME="") | |
| 10:03 | array data is looped over for each 'set' of data | |
| 10:04 | CN is a loop | |
| 10:04 | gavin: does that make sense? | |
| 10:05 | gavin | one momenet osrry |
| 10:05 | kados | (on phone) |
| 10:06 | gavin | me 2 |
| 10:10 | paul | back. |
| 10:11 | CN is for CallNumber | |
| 10:11 | gavin | kados: not totally sure I get you know |
| 10:11 | paul | be careful, we may speak of Search.pm of SearchMarc.pm catalogsearch sub. |
| 10:11 | gavin | s/know/no/ |
| 10:11 | SearchMarc.pm | |
| 10:11 | paul | cataloguesearch we are using now is SearchMarc.pm |
| 10:12 | gavin | yeah, i noticed that so that's what I'm working from |
| 10:12 | I'll hopefully stick some concept code in CVS tonight to show you what I'm at | |
| 10:12 | I've copied SearchMarc.pm into SearchBiblio.pm | |
| 10:13 | i see what my problem is with odd | |
| 10:13 | i was assuming i need 1,0,1,0 | |
| 10:13 | what I need is 1,"",1,"" | |
| 10:14 | ... i think | |
| 10:23 | paul | gavin : no diff from Perl point of view : 0 & "" are both false |
| 10:24 | gavin | ah there booleans of course |
| 10:25 | hmmm. it's probably something I'm doing, i'll track it down. it's a minor enough thing anyway | |
| 10:26 | so, with what should i populate the CN array? | |
| 10:32 | paul | gavin, you must populate the CN array with all items informations. |
| 10:32 | that's what appear on the right; on this page : | |
| 10:33 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]tains&value=chaos | |
| 10:33 | (in "Location" column) | |
| 10:34 | gavin | eg " CDI SL (N 3 KAP)" ?? |
| 10:37 | paul | yep. |
| 10:37 | gavin | okeydokey |
| 10:37 | paul | branch + location + callnumber + status |
| 10:37 | (status if any) | |
| 10:37 | (like lost, on repair - status found from items.lost & a authorised value table) | |
| 10:38 | (or on loan until ... if issued) | |
| 10:38 | gavin | are they the each of the elements of the array or is that whole string an element? |
| 10:38 | paul | note that npl (bipping owen) has requested that every item with the same info could be shown in just 1 line |
| 10:38 | like CDI SL (N8KIM) (2) | |
| 10:39 | owen | Indeed. |
| 10:39 | paul | but i could not code this until now. |
| 10:39 | ;-) | |
| 10:39 | gavin | will leave it for the minute but bear it in mind |
| 10:39 | paul | gavin, each element is in a separate entry. |
| 10:39 | gavin | cool |
| 10:40 | paul | owen, do you have a minut ? |
| 10:40 | gavin | the npl request probably should be done with a group by clause no? |
| 10:40 | and a count() | |
| 10:40 | owen | yes, paul |
| 10:40 | paul | yes, or with some perl checks |
| 10:40 | a CSS question : | |
| 10:40 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]RCdetail.pl?bib=3 | |
| 10:41 | with style sheet | |
| 10:41 | gavin | my philosophy (such as it is) has generally been to make the db do the work where practical |
| 10:41 | paul | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]includes/opac.css |
| 10:42 | if you clic on "items", you'll see that the columns are wrong | |
| 10:42 | do you have an idea why ? | |
| 10:42 | seems to be due to : | |
| 10:43 | position:absolute or display:block | |
| 10:43 | in div.tabblock | |
| 10:43 | how to restore default behaviour ? | |
| 10:47 | gavin | not a css expert i'm afraid |
| 10:48 | owen | I've never seen a table behave like that before |
| 10:48 | I didn't know it was possible! | |
| 10:48 | paul | if i remove position;absolute in div.tab, line 420, the table is fine |
| 10:48 | gavin | paul, would you have five mins to have a look at some code if i upload to cvs now... |
| 10:48 | kados | paul: display:table |
| 10:48 | paul | gavin, no, but i'll take care of it on monday. |
| 10:48 | kados | paul: try that |
| 10:49 | gavin | fair enough |
| 10:49 | paul | kados, adding the property to table {} don't change anything |
| 10:50 | kados | hmmm |
| 10:50 | paul | adding this property to td or th is even worst |
| 10:50 | my doc of css shows the following properties for display : | |
| 10:50 | kados | interesting |
| 10:50 | paul | inline | block | list-item | run-in | inline-block | table | inline-table | table-row-group | table-header-group | table-footer-group | table-row | table-column-group | table-column | table-cell | table-caption | none |
| 10:51 | kados | paul do you have the firefox web Developer plugin? |
| 10:51 | paul | yes |
| 10:51 | kados | when I select "outline" "table cells" look what happens |
| 10:52 | paul | !!!! |
| 10:52 | kados | also try "outline tables" |
| 10:52 | very strange! | |
| 10:52 | paul | it's OK ! |
| 10:52 | kados | hehe yep |
| 10:52 | paul | really strange ... |
| 10:52 | kados | could be ... I'll try it in safari |
| 10:53 | paul | no, could be some property webdev add. |
| 10:53 | kados | hmmm ... you don't even want to see it in safar ;-) |
| 10:53 | none of the content is displayed .. everything is shifted to the left | |
| 10:54 | paul | same thing on opera & konqueror. |
| 10:54 | owen | Internet Explorer too |
| 10:54 | kados | so probably not a ff bug ;-) |
| 10:54 | paul | no. |
| 10:55 | reload, works now on opera | |
| 10:55 | (i've removed some css properties) | |
| 10:55 | works on opera & konqui. but still not on ff | |
| 10:56 | ok, i must leave (planned time with my 1st son) | |
| 10:56 | kados | some validation probs too |
| 10:56 | can't use numbers to start id or class names :-? | |
| 10:57 | ok ... have fun | |
| 10:57 | paul | we should. |
| 10:57 | (use start id) | |
| 10:57 | gavin | thanks for help paul.. |
| 10:59 | owen | Whoops. Wrong close button. |
| 11:00 | kados | hehe |
| 11:15 | here's an interesting perspective: | |
| 11:15 | http://www.infotoday.com/cilma[…]5/Ostrowsky.shtml | |
| 11:15 | "Anonymous Library Cards Allow You to Wonder, 'Who Was That Masked Patron?" | |
| 11:16 | gift cards for libraries | |
| 11:16 | neat idea | |
| 11:22 | gavin | nice idea, horrendous reality that it needs doing... |
| 11:24 | I'm trying to put the string "php -code" into a sql query but the "-" seems to be getting sanitized out. any ideas how I can avoid that? | |
| 11:27 | kados | hmmm ... try putting it into a variable and then puting the variable in the query |
| 11:28 | (you're working in perl?) | |
| 11:30 | gavin | yeah, i'm working in the SearchMarc.pm |
| 11:30 | (or a fork of that) | |
| 11:30 | kados | ideally the 'library gift card' signup process would be anonomous as well |
| 11:30 | right | |
| 11:31 | gavin | i'm not sure what's causing it, it's a bit weird |
| 11:31 | kados | did you try the variable idea? |
| 11:31 | gavin | is there something santizing this that I don't see? |
| 11:31 | kados | probably perl ;-) |
| 11:32 | gavin | i thought only PHP went on with that sort of thing ;) |
| 11:32 | kados | hehe |
| 11:33 | I suppose one problem with the gift card idea is that the library becomes a kind of bank | |
| 11:33 | with 'money' in the form of library cards (each worth $20) | |
| 11:34 | (assuming I can turn in my card at any point for a refund) | |
| 11:34 | gavin | well, you could argue that they already are, with money in the form of books |
| 11:34 | kados | hehe ... this could be really interesting |
| 11:34 | true, but I can't trade book for money AT the library | |
| 11:34 | (though I can trade money for book ;-)) | |
| 11:35 | gavin | no, but i would assume you can't trade it in, it just gets offset against charges |
| 11:36 | kados | ahh ... yea ... that wouldn't work then |
| 11:39 | gavin | found that sanitization thing... grrrr. |
| 11:40 | it's always something silly | |
| 11:45 | kados | gavin: what was it? |
| 11:47 | gavin | oh, i was running catalogsearch (the orig) and catalogsearch1 and the former was sanitizing before the latter got to see the variable |
| 11:47 | this seems to be nearly working now (apart from the stupid colouring thing!) | |
| 11:52 | kados | cool |
| 11:52 | gavin | would you have time to have a look? |
| 11:53 | kados | yea! |
| 11:53 | gavin | okay, i'lll just do the cvs trickery and give you a shout |
| 11:54 | kados | cool |
| 11:55 | (please commit to HEAD and not to rel_2_2) | |
| 11:56 | gavin | errr... I think that's what I'll be doing? |
| 11:56 | kados | as long as you're not specifying rel_2_2, probably ;-) |
| 11:56 | gavin | cool |
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