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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:04 | kados | hey owen |
| 12:04 | owen | hi |
| 12:04 | kados | sorry ... I got a late start todaqy :-( |
| 16:13 | Genji | hiya all. |
| 16:15 | everyone is still asleep huh? | |
| 16:16 | chris | busy at work (well the katipods are) |
| 16:16 | Genji | had a look at my finished feature request of rach's? |
| 16:17 | chris | havent had a chance yet |
| 16:18 | maybe at lunch, or after work | |
| 17:06 | kados | hey owen |
| 17:06 | how's it going? | |
| 17:06 | owen | Pretty well |
| 17:06 | Wireless isn't working, but I plugged in. | |
| 17:07 | kados | huh ... that's strange |
| 17:07 | it should be set to dhcp | |
| 17:08 | owen: seen this? http://www.malevolent.com/webl[…]/add-google-maps/ | |
| 17:08 | owen | Yeah, I did see that. |
| 18:17 | indradg | chris, around? |
| 18:17 | chris | yo |
| 18:17 | i think i just put a comment on your blog before :) | |
| 18:17 | indradg | i see u left a comment in my blog |
| 18:17 | chris | yep |
| 18:19 | indradg | i'm trying to explore the GTK-Perl route |
| 18:20 | chris | yeah i went perl/tk |
| 18:20 | cos its easier to get going (less libraries) | |
| 18:20 | and should run on windows too | |
| 18:20 | indradg | GTK/Pango renders Indic scripts excellently... further I can always badger Owen Taylor to fix GTK/Pango stuff :P |
| 18:20 | chris | cool :) |
| 18:21 | the idea behind the curses one, is a really low low bandwidth version | |
| 18:21 | indradg | i agree |
| 18:21 | chris | i want to be able to give ppl lots of options |
| 18:22 | so web based, curses, gtk etc | |
| 18:22 | whatever works best for your situation | |
| 18:22 | indradg | actually that makes a lot of sense here in india... where a lot of the library dont yet have an Inet connection |
| 18:22 | s/library/libraries/ | |
| 18:23 | chris | yeah |
| 18:26 | in fact there is no reason you cant have all 3 going at once, gtk in the main library, web based in one other, curses in the mobile library over a cellphone :) | |
| 18:27 | indradg | yep! |
| 18:28 | btw these guys -> http://www.jadavpur.edu/academ[…]_text&records.htm | |
| 18:28 | are shortly going to start using Koha for creating catalogs in Bengali | |
| 18:28 | chris | wicked |
| 18:29 | you'll have to get them to do a press release so that russ can put it on the koha.org site :) | |
| 18:29 | indradg | will do... have a meeting with these guys this week |
| 18:31 | when I showed them Koha on my laptop with bengali books cataloged they got sold abt the idea | |
| 18:31 | chris | :-) |
| 18:31 | nice work | |
| 18:31 | indradg | thnx |
| 19:31 | shedges | indradg: just saw your note abt the jadavpur library |
| 19:31 | cool! | |
| 20:04 | Genji | rach is busy today i see. haven't seen any text from her. |
| 23:35 | so very quiet today. unusual. whats up? | |
| 23:42 | rach | it's monday here @ katipo - our big meetings day, we have staff meeting in the morning, and lots of work comes out at that |
| 23:42 | so we're usually pretty flat tack | |
| 23:42 | and it's still sunday overseas, so everyone else has a day off | |
| 23:42 | Genji | ah, rach! hiya! seen my finished feature yet? |
| 23:43 | rach | usually a quiet day in #koha |
| 23:43 | nope I haven't - URL? | |
| 23:43 | Genji | opac.genjimoto.is-a-geek.org ... quicksearch dummy |
| 23:43 | very limited data that takes advantage of it. | |
| 23:44 | oh.. and intranet.genji.is-a-geek.org koha/koha for looking at my new parameter's tables. | |
| 23:45 | rach | sorry I'm getting a timeout |
| 23:45 | Genji | hrm.. oddd... really odd. |
| 23:45 | oh... apache isn't on... | |
| 23:45 | wierdness.. | |
| 23:46 | hrm.. apache errored out. | |
| 23:49 | okay. try now. | |
| 23:49 | updated dyndns. | |
| 23:49 | rach | getting somewhere now |
| 23:49 | Genji | had my adsl router go down last night.... due to brownout. |
| 23:50 | rach | hmm your categories don't work... |
| 23:50 | Genji | hrm? |
| 23:50 | what are you trying? | |
| 23:51 | rach | ah it is a little thing |
| 23:52 | Genji | huh? |
| 23:52 | rach | when you pick "all categories" if you picked something else before - fiction for example, then it doesn't deselect |
| 23:52 | Genji | Yes. All categories overrides all other selection in the categories. |
| 23:52 | rach | ah so I expected it to unclick the radio button - but it didn't |
| 23:53 | Genji | hmm.... that would require some javascripting.... suppose i could do that. |
| 23:53 | rach | hmm - so do you reckon the branches work? |
| 23:54 | Genji | nope. problem with transfers, they don't update the marc tables. |
| 23:54 | rach | ah |
| 23:55 | Genji | i have implomented a $sqlstatement parameter into catalogsearch, so a devel could shove any sqlstatement they want into the search. |
| 23:55 | rach | so do you have to get that out of marc tables? |
| 23:55 | Genji | so... i could use the old db and get it that way. |
| 23:55 | rach | ah right |
| 23:55 | what categories does this data know about/have? | |
| 23:55 | Genji | thats the way i do itemtypes... since marc: catalogseach cannot search for more than one itemtype. |
| 23:56 | so far, two web links, one Adult fiction book, and one adult fiction cd. | |
| 23:57 | have a look at the intranet for an idea as to how its designed, data wise. | |
| 23:57 | rach | what would be a good thing for me to search on to see it :-) |
| 23:57 | but can't get a second page of results using filter | |
| 23:57 | Genji | the four data items are in title 'dummy' |
| 23:58 | rach | cool |
| 23:58 | Genji | for theosophy, the categories/subcat/itemtypes arn't relievant, since that's the TS data... and we never had this idea. |
| 23:59 | rach | cool |
| 23:59 | fair enuff :-) | |
| 00:00 | so you going to give the second page a go too :-) | |
| 00:01 | Genji | hmm... you mean the book detail search option screen? |
| 00:01 | rach | yep - that's the one with the subjects as well |
| 00:01 | sorry - instead | |
| 00:03 | Genji | hmm.. suppose i could. wouldn't take much, since the detail screen contains basically everything to implement the idea. |
| 00:04 | a template designer could do it all, im thinking. | |
| 00:05 | so ya, ill do it. | |
| 00:09 | rach | oh really |
| 00:09 | sorry about the templater/htmler bit | |
| 00:12 | oh i just thought my comment would be a bit weird | |
| 00:12 | but now it's just more confusing | |
| 00:16 | Genji | so... lets look at ndradg> yep! |
| 00:16 | <in | |
| 00:16 | http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/ko[…]h_ideas_details_2 | |
| 00:16 | rach | yep |
| 00:16 | that's the puppy' | |
| 00:16 | Genji | hmm.... so, those are all checkboxes, that add that specific item into a new query? |
| 00:17 | rach | well the theory here, is that you've found this one, and you either want ones like this, or in fact, not like this |
| 00:17 | so that you check the words which are the ones you want | |
| 00:17 | and that makes a multi keyword querry | |
| 00:18 | and it does a new search I think - as I don't know if you can know what your previous one way | |
| 00:19 | Genji | multi keywords? so, by selecting Title words 'everyday life' and search, it does a any text search on 'everyday life' ? |
| 00:19 | or does a title word result in a title search as well as anything else thats selected? | |
| 00:20 | rach | erm - I dunno, what do you think is most useful |
| 00:20 | Genji | hmm... you'd get more results by doing an any text search.... |
| 00:21 | rach | yep I was thinking they would be keywords I think |
| 00:21 | Genji | ah, little bit of coding involved. splitting up the title into words, and ignoring stopwords. |
| 00:21 | rach | yep |
| 00:22 | because the collections often don't have good subjects | |
| 00:22 | Genji | down below type/format, you'd have the category and subcat clicks as well. |
| 00:23 | rach | if it is in those yes - so it's a "do you want more junior fiction" choice |
| 00:23 | Genji | like.. this book would have Adult non fiction Book as its Type/format |
| 00:23 | Adult Non-Fiction book as its Subcategory. | |
| 00:23 | err. | |
| 00:23 | Adult non fiction | |
| 00:24 | rach | where do the sub categories come from? |
| 00:24 | Genji | and Non-Fiction as its category. |
| 00:24 | all the information for cat, subcat and itemtype are in the books itemtype. | |
| 00:24 | this particular book would have ANFB | |
| 00:25 | rach | we haven't worked with a library with all those levels |
| 00:25 | Genji | i have created a categorytable and a subcategory table. |
| 00:25 | ahh... yes. Well.. it was your idea. | |
| 00:26 | rach | hmm - ah you've made an extra level |
| 00:26 | so I had super categories and just itemtypyes (well I meant to) | |
| 00:26 | http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/ko[…]ch_ideas_1?full=1 | |
| 00:27 | Genji | Had a look at my Category/subcategory editing interface? |
| 00:27 | rach | I did the other day |
| 00:27 | for category at leat | |
| 00:28 | Genji | the Subcategory one is a complete replica of the category one. Just uses the itemtypes for a different purpose. |
| 00:29 | rach | so it's another grouping of the itemtypes into super cateogories? |
| 00:30 | Genji | into itemtype groups. |
| 00:30 | rach | uname & pword for intrante? |
| 00:30 | Genji | default. |
| 00:30 | rach | ah no - koha |
| 00:31 | ah right, so that's what we use as class | |
| 00:31 | I get it | |
| 00:31 | so we could actually drop itemtypes perhaps off the opac | |
| 00:35 | Genji | if indeed, an item was in more than one category/subcat. |
| 00:35 | should be a rare thing, unless they use it badly. | |
| 00:36 | just had this idea.. of a table... headings itemtype - subcategory - category | |
| 00:37 | eh.. then again... scratch that idea. | |
| 00:38 | you'd want to have multiple subcats covering a single item. | |
| 00:38 | thats how my CD and Book and Video searches work. | |
| 00:38 | CD searches 'Adult Fiction CD' all the way to 'Junior Fiction CD'. | |
| 00:39 | err.. Junior non-fiction cd. | |
| 00:39 | of course, could create yet another table called Mediatypetable. | |
| 00:40 | fill that with media type information. | |
| 00:41 | but that might be going overboard. | |
| 00:48 | rach | sorry - people arrived |
| 00:48 | no that's cool - was thinking the same thing | |
| 00:49 | without the extra table stuff, cause I don't think like that :-) | |
| 00:49 | OK I'm off to walk the dog | |
| 00:49 | as the cleaners have arrived | |
| 00:49 | and will shortly get loud | |
| 00:51 | Genji | laters then. |
| 00:52 | ill put the media type thing into the mix as well.. and take media type out of subcat. | |
| 00:52 | since it doesn't really belong. | |
| 00:52 | rach | I don't recon you need to do aht |
| 00:52 | that | |
| 00:53 | well you could | |
| 00:53 | but I'd probably want to run it over some real data to see if it's worthwhile | |
| 00:54 | Genji | right. well.. since some real data hasn't taken advantage of my idea yet..... |
| 00:54 | sorry, your idea. | |
| 00:54 | might be difficult to test, without some time assigning itemtypes to items. | |
| 00:55 | ooooooo. | |
| 00:56 | Kados wants to implement it in his installation. | |
| 00:56 | if i get it so he can do so... we can test it on his real data.. yes? | |
| 02:30 | paul | hello world ! |
| 02:30 | FrancoisL | hello paul... |
| 02:30 | hdl | hello |
| 02:30 | paul | aujourd'hui, c'est bugsquashing du coté de Marseille |
| 02:31 | (et envoi d'un devis) | |
| 04:57 | Genji | paul... still alive? |
| 04:57 | or your afk? | |
| 06:23 | paul | Genji, back from lunc |
| 06:29 | Genji | hey |
| 06:30 | anything wrong with this statement? | |
| 06:30 | select distinct m1.bibid from biblio,biblioitems,items,marc_biblio,marc_word as m1 where biblio.biblionumber=marc_biblio.biblionumber and biblio.biblionumber=biblioitems.biblionumber and m1.bibid=marc_biblio.bibid and (m1.word like 'reincarnation') and (items.holdingbranch="WNTS") | |
| 06:34 | wait.. think i realised it. | |
| 06:35 | paul | needs a join between biblio & items. |
| 06:35 | Genji | need to put biblio.biblionumber=items.biblionumber somewhere in that.. i think.... |
| 06:35 | paul | that's it ;-) |
| 06:35 | (not exactly in fact) | |
| 06:35 | Genji | hrms? |
| 06:35 | paul | otherwise, you won't get results when a biblio has no items. |
| 06:35 | you have to do a | |
| 06:35 | Genji | thats what i want, paul |
| 06:35 | paul | so it's OK |
| 06:36 | Genji | if a result hasn't got any items, i don't want to know about it, in this query. |
| 06:37 | Bingo! it works. | |
| 06:38 | okay.. so i implemented a sqlstring parameter into catalogsearch() to allow the developer to add queries to it. Specifically... in my case, old db queries. | |
| 06:38 | the ones that do get updated by transfers and can be searched for more than one itemtype and branch. | |
| 06:39 | so, my current sidebar is fully operational. cool. | |
| 06:43 | Thanks Paul | |
| 06:43 | paul | you're welcome. |
| 06:43 | do you plan to commit it to cvs (head) | |
| 06:43 | Genji | not sure you did anything.. |
| 06:43 | paul | or think it could be interesting for others ? |
| 06:44 | Genji | yes, definately interesting for others. |
| 06:44 | Kados likes it. | |
| 06:45 | paul | so i'm waiting impatiently this bunch of code on koha-cvs mailing list ;-) |
| 06:45 | Genji | ill have to tidy my code, insert comments into it, then ill commit it to head.. if i can remember how. |
| 06:45 | hmm? | |
| 06:45 | koha-cvs mailing list? | |
| 06:47 | anyway. Bedtime. nighters all. | |
| 06:51 | paul | GenjiZzZz, the koha-cvs mailing list where all commits are sent. So, subscribers to this list (heavy traffic, be warned), are aware of all changes. I'm a fan of this mailing list ;-) |
| 08:48 | gavin | hi all |
| 08:54 | would anyone have time for a short discussion about otpmising the web-based opac system? | |
| 08:54 | paul | not a lot of ppl at this houre |
| 08:54 | you should wait 2 hours to get USA too. | |
| 08:54 | gavin | sorry, forgetting the time difference |
| 08:54 | paul | (for instance, it seems i'm alone ;-) ) |
| 08:55 | where are you located ? | |
| 08:55 | (/me in France, the dummy country that voted no yesterday) | |
| 09:04 | gavin | Dublin |
| 09:05 | basically, i've done a fair few of these sort of things and it seems the opac end could be optimised quite a lot without too much work | |
| 09:07 | (i'm not sure voting no makes france a dummy country, but that's a different issue) |
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