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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:27 | hdl | bye |
| 12:32 | shaun | hi (was watching the simpsons///) |
| 12:40 | which is correct: Bar Codes or Barcodes? | |
| 12:41 | owen | Barcodes |
| 12:41 | shaun | oh - quite a few templates use Bar Codes... *does mass find and replace* |
| 12:57 | owen | Tinkering with RSS feeds is a pain when your RSS reader won't update the feed... |
| 13:02 | kados | this looks promising: |
| 13:02 | http://print.google.com/print?q=your query here | |
| 13:13 | shaun | *arguing with ben: should the title of the page (e.g. Circulation: Issues) be within mainbloc or not? |
| 13:15 | owen | Visually, or semantically? |
| 13:15 | shaun | both - CSS positioning hurts web designers ;) |
| 13:17 | owen | ? |
| 13:18 | shaun | visually. |
| 13:19 | owen | Looking at the default template, it makes sense for the main heading (<h1>) to be inside the mainbloc div |
| 13:19 | Things that are outside that div are external to the task at hand | |
| 13:21 | shaun | *tells ben* |
| 13:23 | should it be left- or centre-aligned, in your opinion? | |
| 13:26 | owen | My personal opinion is left (as you can tell from our template ;) ) |
| 13:28 | shaun | *left-aligns header and ducks* |
| 13:32 | does koha have any support for ldap (e.g. in a school system, opac login should match network login)? | |
| 13:33 | owen | I know there's some ldap stuff in there, but I don't know how it works. |
| 13:42 | Ben | hi |
| 13:42 | 'patron', 'borrower' or 'member'? | |
| 13:42 | owen | Depends on your library |
| 13:43 | shaun | (for the templates) |
| 13:44 | Ben | standardised |
| 13:44 | owen | Our library had always used 'patron', so we used patron in our templates. There's no standard as far as I know. |
| 13:44 | Ben | for the default of every koha install that will occur with our new templates |
| 13:44 | shaun | put it this way: what is the default in the templates currently marked as "default"? |
| 13:45 | Ben | none, as far as I can tell: it's very inconsistent |
| 13:45 | owen | The current default templates use both borrwer and member, terms which it inherited from the original Koha written in NZ |
| 13:46 | shaun | well, "member" is on the tab on the navigation, so i will go with member. |
| 13:46 | Ben | ok |
| 13:56 | kados | I don't know what this does, because I don't understand how reserve |
| 13:56 | constraints work. I think the idea is that you reserve a particular | |
| 13:56 | biblio, and the constraint allows you to restrict it to a given | |
| 13:56 | biblioitem (e.g., if you want to borrow the audio book edition of "The | |
| 13:56 | Prophet", rather than the first available publication). | |
| 13:59 | owen | Remember, the reserves system was designed to use the biblio-biblioitems-items scheme, where one biblio might have multiple item types attached |
| 13:59 | So there's a mechanism to choose by biblioitem, but not (I believe) item | |
| 14:01 | kados | it looks to me like Koha doesn't even track which 'items' are on reserve at all |
| 14:01 | it only cares about the biblioitem number | |
| 14:01 | meaning that the checks for whether an item is on reserve probably rely on biblionumber rather than barcode ... interesting | |
| 14:01 | owen | http://66.213.78.101:8080/cgi-[…]uest.pl?bib=93738 |
| 14:01 | kados | I wonder what the reason for that was |
| 14:06 | shaun | circulation appears to be somewhat broken in cvs: [Thu Apr 28 20:02:02 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Q cardnumber : Select * from borrowers, referer: http://kohacvs.localhost:8080/[…]rc/circulation.pl |
| 14:06 | [Thu Apr 28 20:02:02 2005] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] \t\twhere ((surname like ? or surname like ?, referer: http://kohacvs.localhost:8080/[…]rc/circulation.pl | |
| 14:08 | owen | kados, on that reserve page see how there's a checkbox next to the item type listing? |
| 14:08 | That's where, if we were using the old Koha, there would be a list of item types (book, CD, AV, etc) | |
| 14:08 | It's a good example because you can see how it lumps all the barcodes under one entry (the biblioitem entry) | |
| 14:09 | The need to reserve a specific copy probably just wasn't seen as necessary. | |
| 14:09 | Indeed it's not something we want the patrons to have the option of doing (because they're not smart enough to know not to!) | |
| 14:11 | kados | right! |
| 14:12 | but the old Koha didn't let us reserve a specific item did it? | |
| 14:13 | owen | No. That's what I mean about it not being seen as necessary |
| 14:14 | kados | right ... I get it now |
| 14:15 | well it's not necessary for patrons ... but would be nice for staff | |
| 14:15 | trouble is, it looks like the whole reserves system would need to be overhauled to do it | |
| 14:15 | I wonder if we can let staff set another status on an item to prevent it from being circulated (for replairs, etc) | |
| 14:17 | owen | We talked with Paul about setting up a list of authorized values for 'not for loan' |
| 14:18 | shaun | guys - any ideas about the problem above? |
| 14:18 | owen | We haven't updated our test machine since Paul committed his last change to circulation.pl. |
| 14:18 | Did you update since then shaun? | |
| 14:20 | shaun | yes |
| 14:21 | when was the last change? | |
| 14:22 | owen | So maybe there's a bug in his bugfix |
| 14:23 | I guess I must be imagining things. I thought I'd seen an update for that. But now I don't | |
| 14:23 | kados | there was a change this morning IIRC |
| 14:23 | I think it was in one of the modules | |
| 14:23 | shaun | well, since i have been on the cvs list, i have not had anything to do with circulation.pl |
| 14:24 | owen | I see an update to returns.tmpl |
| 14:24 | But that's all | |
| 14:24 | shaun | same here |
| 14:25 | owen | shaun what were you trying to do when you got the error? |
| 14:26 | shaun | i type anything into the box on the circulations page, and there is no response - the page merely refreshes, with no action |
| 14:27 | owen | you mean where it says 'enter borrower card number or partial last name'? |
| 14:28 | shaun | the error is from the apache error log - the interface itself does nothing |
| 14:28 | yes | |
| 14:28 | owen | Is that only when you enter a name or number that's not in the database? |
| 14:29 | shaun | *just realises i have not currently got any members* |
| 14:32 | when adding a member: The following fields have a forbidden value. Correct them and press OK again : | |
| 14:32 | Postal Street Address | |
| 14:34 | yet i have a perfectly acceptable value in there... | |
| 14:34 | brb | |
| 14:35 | Ben | happens with me as well |
| 14:36 | owen | Here's one: The ability to work with fellow Koha developers. |
| 14:37 | Ben | ??? |
| 14:37 | oh, I see | |
| 14:38 | unfortunately, being able to report on bugs you already know about is not a justification for losing functionality | |
| 14:40 | installing the cvs version in order to be able to work with you (and we are not working with you over anything which is different in the cvs version) is not a good reason for installing the cvs version, which is buggy enough to prevent us from actually developing our contribution | |
| 15:05 | shaun | anyway... owen, or anybody else, got any ideas about the two (one plus 0.5?) bugs above? |
| 15:06 | owen | I'm trying the member entry and don't get any error. |
| 15:06 | Can you check the version of the copy of circulation.pl that you have? Is it up to date? | |
| 15:07 | shaun | *does cvs co* |
| 15:11 | owen | Also, could you check to see what your memberentry.tmpl has for the Postal Address input tag? |
| 15:11 | shaun | the last time i updated was a couple of days ago - and i think the change you made was in rel_2.2 |
| 15:11 | owen | What name and template variable is has in it? |
| 15:13 | Do you see an instance of this in your circulation template: <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="message" --> | |
| 15:13 | shaun | in memberentry.tmpl: <td colspan="2"><input type="text" name="streetaddress" size="40" value="<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="address" -->"></td> |
| 15:14 | owen | That looks right. |
| 15:15 | shaun | <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="message" --> is there |
| 15:16 | owen | Hunh... So your circulation.pl script is up to date, and your template has the right 'if' block to catch the 'no patrons found' message. I'm stumped. |
| 15:22 | Ben | shaun, can you do what I asked at 9pm now please |
| 15:28 | shaun | done; owen - do you know why the messages box seems to display even though there are no messages? |
| 15:30 | owen | Can I see it on your site? |
| 15:31 | shaun | sure: http://kohacvs.shaunevans.co.uk:8080 |
| 15:31 | un: kohacvs, pw: hexthouse | |
| 15:34 | if you have any tips for making it more slick, they are still welcome | |
| 15:35 | owen | Are you going to modify the front page? |
| 15:36 | shaun | yes - we haven't got round to that yet... we'll probably look at incorporating the concept rach and chris were producing |
| 15:37 | owen | shaun, which messages box are you talking about? |
| 15:37 | shaun | returns |
| 15:38 | and branch transfers | |
| 15:39 | owen | Oh |
| 15:39 | I don't think it *has* to appear in returns if you don't want it to. I do recall having trouble getting it not to show up in branch transfers, though. | |
| 15:40 | The problem with branchtransfers is that there are a whole list of messages that might appear, so it's not as simple as saying <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="message" -->Display message box<!-- /TMPL_IF --> | |
| 15:40 | shaun | also, have you seen the behaviour of circulations: issues now? |
| 15:41 | (and the address in the members section) | |
| 15:41 | owen | circ looks fine to me. If I put in a name or a number I get back a message that says 'No borrower matched...' |
| 15:42 | Is that what you're talking about? | |
| 15:42 | shaun | on our cvs version, link above, you're going into circulation, and you can type in something, and get a "no borrower matched"? for both of us, it does absolutely nothing |
| 15:44 | owen | Oh, sorry...wrong link |
| 15:45 | shaun | you're using a mozilla browser... my computer is being overloaded with requests for favicon.ico, with a 404 every time... ;) |
| 15:48 | are you seeing the errors that i am describing? | |
| 15:48 | owen | I see the circ one |
| 15:49 | shaun | how about members? |
| 15:50 | owen | Yeah, I see that one too |
| 15:50 | This is your installation from rel_2_2? | |
| 15:50 | Or HEAD? | |
| 15:53 | shaun | head - the 2.2.2b release version is over at http://koha.shaunevans.co.uk:8080/ with kohaadmin as un, pw the same. |
| 15:54 | owen | I think the problem is that some bugfixes from rel_2_2 haven't been copied over to HEAD |
| 15:54 | Look at line 33 of your memberentry template | |
| 15:54 | <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="aERROR_ddress" --> | |
| 15:56 | shaun | <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="ERROR_address" --> |
| 15:57 | who's typo is that? | |
| 15:58 | Ben | owen |
| 15:58 | it says so | |
| 15:58 | duh | |
| 15:58 | by the way this is bens sis | |
| 15:58 | paul_away | shaun : owen is right : i haven't synch rel_2_2 into head. will do it next week, ASAP. |
| 15:59 | (synch done, but many, many conflicts to solve now. I have 2 hours in train tomorrow to work on this ;-) ) | |
| 15:59 | paul_bed | bye & fare well. |
| 16:00 | shaun | (bye paul) |
| 16:01 | paul_bed | shaun : ldap works well (used for 8 months in EMN, in France). look in C4/Auth_with_ldap.pm to see how I do |
| 16:01 | (available in 2.2 as well as in head iirc) | |
| 16:02 | shaun | k, i'll look into it a bit more |
| 16:02 | thanks | |
| 16:14 | going now, bye | |
| 04:26 | Sylvain | hi all |
| 07:47 | hdl | hi |
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