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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:08 | paul | 'morning owen |
| 11:08 | owen | Hi paul |
| 11:55 | hdl | Hi. |
| 11:55 | Paul Around ? | |
| 11:55 | paul | tu causes plus la france maintenant ? |
| 11:55 | hdl | Si, mais c + fun. |
| 11:55 | Paul : problème avec mailman.... | |
| 11:56 | Les listes sont maintenant sur le serveur. | |
| 11:56 | Mailman actif. | |
| 11:56 | paul | et... |
| 11:56 | hdl | Mais il semblerait que le process n'ai pas les même droits qu'apache. |
| 11:56 | error : permission denied. | |
| 11:56 | Une idée ? | |
| 11:57 | paul | oui, la visio |
| 12:29 | owen | Paul, wouldn't 'items.dateaccessioned' be a better field to sort by for the recent acquisitions search? Is that possible? |
| 12:29 | We end up getting results in that search for items which were merely modified, not recently acquired. | |
| 12:31 | paul | mmm... maybe |
| 12:31 | i'm not sure | |
| 12:31 | (& don't have time to investigate more) | |
| 12:31 | owen | It's something to think about. |
| 12:33 | kados | hi all |
| 12:33 | paul | hi kados |
| 12:40 | kados | select distinct m1.bibid from biblio,biblioitems,marc_biblio,$sql_tables where biblio.biblionumber=marc_biblio.biblionumber and biblio.biblionumber=biblioitems.biblionumber and m1.bibid=marc_biblio.bibid and $sql_where1 order by $orderby |
| 12:40 | oops | |
| 12:45 | paul ... was the 'recent acquisitions' search meant to be a 'recently returned' search? | |
| 12:45 | biblio.timestamp doesn't really tell anything about 'acquisition' | |
| 12:45 | paul | no kados. |
| 12:45 | it's related to acquisition | |
| 12:45 | (at least it should ;-) ) | |
| 12:45 | kados | hehe |
| 12:46 | maybe not in our database eh? | |
| 12:46 | isn't biblio.timestamp just the 'last modified' field? | |
| 12:46 | paul | yes |
| 12:46 | it's updated when the book is acquired AND when the biblio is modified. | |
| 12:47 | kados | ahh... like when it's returned for instance ;-) |
| 12:47 | paul | in this second case, "last acquired book" is poor |
| 12:47 | no | |
| 12:47 | owen | No |
| 12:47 | Returns don't affect the timestamp | |
| 12:47 | kados | ahh |
| 12:48 | paul | return is related to ITEMS |
| 12:49 | while timestamp is related to BIBLIO | |
| 12:49 | kados | so how does it define 'last acquired' ... what kind of time-frame? A week? a month? |
| 12:49 | we'd expect it to return ALL results ordered by biblio.timestamp | |
| 12:52 | paul | that's the actual weakness of my method |
| 12:52 | can't limit the search to some duration. | |
| 12:53 | owen | The strange thing is that it /doesn't/ return ALL results for a particular itemtype |
| 12:53 | paul | should not be too hard, but requires some tmeplate change & maybe an API change too. |
| 13:28 | slef | where's Cat Maintenance gone in 2.2? |
| 13:30 | owen | Is that something in system administration? |
| 13:30 | slef | It was on intranet -> Catalogue -> Catalogue Maintenance in 2.0 |
| 13:35 | Sylvain | paul I've commited CVS for duplication |
| 13:35 | of biblios | |
| 13:36 | owen | slef, I think that was for non-marc databases, so we never used it. Maybe paul know's what happened to it. |
| 13:37 | paul | slef : it was buggy & dangerous for the DB. I dropped it. feel free to fix & reintroduce it if needed. |
| 13:37 | sylvain, ok i'll look | |
| 13:41 | Sylvain | paul sur bureau.pp.com il y a des bases où les autorités sont prises en charge ? |
| 13:42 | paul | quel genre ? auteur ? sujet ? |
| 13:42 | Sylvain | sujet |
| 13:42 | paul | EMN |
| 13:42 | Sylvain | enfin auteur ça irait aussi en fait |
| 13:42 | d'accord merci | |
| 13:42 | paul | auteur => dombes |
| 13:42 | Sylvain | ok, j'vais voir ça |
| 13:46 | paul j'ai un exemple qui fait ressortir le pb dont je te parlais hier soir | |
| 13:46 | c'est sur Dombes | |
| 13:46 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]l.pl?authid=51440 | |
| 13:46 | pour cet auteur, il t'annonce 3 notices | |
| 13:46 | et quand tu les consultes, il n'y en a plus que 2 | |
| 13:47 | paul | c'est normal (même s'il y a un bug que je vais détailler) |
| 13:48 | dans la 1ere notice, l'entrée y est 2 fois | |
| 13:48 | (sauf que dans le 701, il est écrit lemann augustin alors que l'autorité est lemann joseph) | |
| 13:49 | (mais le 700 ET le 701 piontent sur cette même autorité. | |
| 13:49 | qui est donc utilisée 3 fois, dont 2 dans la même notice. | |
| 13:49 | alors j'accepte la remarque qu'il faudrait "utilisé 3 fois" et pas "utilisé dans 3 biblios" | |
| 13:49 | Sylvain | bon ok, c'est pas le bon pb, je vais essayer de trouver celui que j'ai chez moi ;) |
| 13:51 | paul, tu as accés à koha.ensmp.fr ? | |
| 13:51 | paul | connexion refusée... |
| 13:51 | donc non. | |
| 13:51 | Sylvain | k |
| 13:52 | paul | mais mon IP a changé. Il faut peut être demander une modif du firewall |
| 13:52 | Sylvain | c'est chiant toutes ces histoires d'accès ! :( |
| 13:52 | paul | ma nouvelle IP est : 213.41.174.86 |
| 13:52 | a qui demander la modif... that is the question | |
| 13:52 | Sylvain | le pb c'est que koha.ensmp c'est un gars de là-bas |
| 13:53 | je sais que lors de la réunion à Paris, matthieu lui avait parlé en sortant | |
| 13:53 | faudra essayer de voir ça avec Matthieu mais il vient de partir | |
| 13:54 | ah si j'viens de trouver un truc sur Domes qui cocrespond à mon pb. http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]l.pl?authid=48042 | |
| 13:55 | il y a une notice pour ce gars | |
| 13:55 | mais il y est en 702 | |
| 13:55 | et quand on veut consulter la liste des notices, il dit "vide" | |
| 13:55 | et si on change l'ordre des champs dans l'url en : | |
| 13:55 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]or=and&excluding= | |
| 13:55 | la ça passe | |
| 13:55 | il ne prend que le premier élément de l'attribut marclist | |
| 13:57 | parcequ'on fait un substr(0,4) dans search.marc/search.pl. Si on ne fait pas le substr mais place la ligne entière ça fonctionne | |
| 14:01 | owen | The 'published between' options for the opac search don't seem to be working for us. I can never get any results. |
| 14:03 | paul | owen do you tried a date ? |
| 14:03 | (a year) | |
| 14:03 | (between 2003 and 2004) | |
| 14:04 | owen | Yes |
| 14:04 | paul | the search is done on biblioitems.publicationyear |
| 14:04 | (not on copyrightdate), maybe that's the origin of your pb ? | |
| 14:04 | owen | biblioitems.itemtype = DVD and items.holdingbranch = CPL and biblioitems.publicationyear >= 2004 and biblioitems.publicationyear <= 2005 |
| 14:05 | Sylvain | time to go, see you later |
| 14:05 | paul | sylvain, j'ai pas tout compris. |
| 14:05 | on en reparle demain matin (aprèsm idi je suis absent) | |
| 14:05 | Syl_away | ok, pas de pb pour demain matin, bonne soirée |
| 14:32 | hdl | paul: le site marche chez moi. C'était un problème d'utilisateur koha_spip non déclaré pour la gestion de la base. puis de rafraîchissement. |
| 15:14 | paul : débranche-t-on les listes de discussion de l'ob | |
| 15:14 | ? | |
| 16:18 | paul_away | hdl : oui, on peut. Pour éviter les erreurs de DNS |
| 16:18 | bon, je pars, on est mardi soir, j'ai mon rencart du mardi ;-) | |
| 17:15 | rach | good morning |
| 17:19 | JYL57 | hello rach |
| 17:27 | rach | hello |
| 19:15 | michael | hi everyone |
| 19:16 | ... oups... good to be alive ... and to lunch at last... too cold in France outside... -10° C... hum too cold | |
| 19:16 | chris | hi michael |
| 19:16 | michael | hi ;-) |
| 19:17 | i wish to myself a "bon appétit" !!! :-) | |
| 19:17 | chris | heh |
| 19:19 | michael | for information, great opac.css to use with koha http://bibcmi.univ-mrs.fr/~annaw/opackoha.css / Anna made it (OPAC here : http://bibcmi.univ-mrs.fr:8000[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 19:19 | some pb with IE for Mac... but that's nearly normal | |
| 19:19 | :-( | |
| 19:19 | chris | yeah its very hard to get things to work in IE for the mac |
| 19:20 | michael | yeap |
| 19:22 | yes but people who use IE for Mac are like some kings of slaves to me | |
| 19:22 | Voltaire said one day | |
| 19:22 | "Plus les hommes seront informés, plus ils seront libres" | |
| 19:22 | in english "More the people will be informed, more they'll be free" | |
| 19:22 | people who use IE for Mac are not informed about how this browser is bad and don't know Mozilla and cie... | |
| 19:22 | too sad :-( | |
| 19:23 | chris | yep |
| 19:23 | michael | yep yep |
| 19:23 | paul isn't in bed yet but i guess he will be asleep soon :-) | |
| 19:24 | rach | he should get into bed before that happnes then :-) |
| 19:24 | michael | happnes ?? what that means ?? |
| 19:24 | chris | means rachel was typing to fast :) |
| 19:24 | should be happens | |
| 19:25 | michael | hum... ok ;-) |
| 19:25 | ... do you know in NZ the italian "ravioli" ??? | |
| 19:26 | chris | we sure do |
| 19:26 | did you have that for lunch? | |
| 19:27 | michael | ... that makes my lunch front of the screen for tonight... i finish my work in library at 8 PM every tuesday... hard to believe... |
| 19:27 | hard but that's how it works in this library... that's good too... but it's late neithertheless :-( | |
| 19:28 | chris | what is your job at the library? |
| 19:29 | michael | in fact, i'm "discothécaire" (means i take care of the collection of CD / rock, world, rap and soundtracks...) but i'm some kind of geel-librairian too |
| 19:29 | geek-librairian | |
| 19:29 | (not sure we can say that / not sure of the spell) | |
| 19:30 | chris | yep geek-librarian :) |
| 19:30 | cool, working with the music cd's must be fun also | |
| 19:30 | michael | talking much about linux... not always about music... yes chris you're right too |
| 19:32 | i also have the "charge" to buy some books... the music books and also the books about computer and programmation... i specially like the O'Reilly ones | |
| 19:32 | chris | yes O'Reilly publish some very good books |
| 19:33 | michael | and members of the library like it too... |
| 19:33 | so that's not in vain :-) | |
| 19:34 | chris | thats great |
| 19:35 | about how many patrons/borrowers/users (every library calls them something different) does your library have? | |
| 19:35 | and are you on the koha map? | |
| 19:35 | http://koha.org/about/map/europe.html <-- theres the europe bit | |
| 19:36 | if you arent on there and want to be, you can drop me an email with the details and I can add you | |
| 19:37 | michael | about 10 000 borrowers i think |
| 19:37 | chris | ahh cool |
| 19:38 | michael | no i'm not in the map... |
| 19:38 | in Meudon (France, 92) we got about 50 000 biblios (i mean "notices") ... | |
| 19:38 | more items i guess because some documents are buy in several numbers... | |
| 19:39 | i install and test koha for personnal... my library have accept to pay more and to pay a commercial society for the SIGB | |
| 19:39 | this is GEAC... with the Vubismart software... do you know it ? windows only... | |
| 19:39 | chris | ahh yes ive heard of that .. thats a shame |
| 19:41 | michael | ... i make some "stages" in Fontainebleau with Pascale Nalon (Ecole des Mines) and also in ESIEE with Serge Renaux |
| 19:41 | but they said koha (or any free SIGB in open source) is too young and not enought complete... | |
| 19:41 | they prefer to pay ... than help and develop... and contribute... a shame yes... but i have not a decisionnal position... | |
| 19:41 | can't decide fot the chief of the library :-( | |
| 19:42 | chris | yep thats true, ah well all we can do is keep making koha better and sooner or later people will realise its better :-) |
| 19:42 | michael | i just can upload some "notices" on my USB removable key and test koha at home... |
| 19:42 | that works great when you know a little but about Linux and UniMARC | |
| 19:43 | chris | ahh good idea |
| 19:44 | michael | but i agree to admit it's not so simple and perfect but it's good to undestand "how it work"... |
| 19:44 | beside i don't know i bit of Perl and MySQL... it works already... | |
| 20:20 | JYL57 | chris, do you know or even use eclipse ?! |
| 20:20 | chris | cant say that i do |
| 20:20 | but now im gonna go google for it | |
| 20:21 | eclipse.org ? | |
| 20:22 | JYL57 | yes |
| 20:22 | chris | hmm looks interesting |
| 20:24 | we just need an eclipse-perl plugin :) | |
| 20:25 | JYL57 | http://e-p-i-c.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:26 | chris | ohh i was thinking epic as in my irc client |
| 20:26 | :) | |
| 20:27 | hmm that does look very interesting | |
| 20:27 | there goes my weekend :) | |
| 20:29 | JYL57 | just finished eclipse install but failed on epic... ;-/ |
| 20:29 | Will try that tomorrow, going to bed ! | |
| 05:50 | Syl_away | hi all |
| 05:50 | JYL57 | hello |
| 06:21 | sylvain | salut paul |
| 06:21 | paul | (au tel) |
| 06:22 | sylvain | (au café alors ;)) |
| 06:42 | bon, jvais regarder par rapport à la liste des besoins ENSMP la sortie triée par ordre croissant/décroissant | |
| 06:42 | tu ne l'as pas déjà fait paul ? | |
| 06:54 | paul ? | |
| 06:54 | paul | (tjs au tel) |
| 06:55 | sylvain | ok ;) |
| 07:04 | paul | ca y est, j'ai fini sylvain |
| 07:04 | cela dit, je ne comprend pas ta question ;-) | |
| 07:06 | sylvain | bon, on dirait que j'ai du mal à me faire comprendre ;) |
| 07:07 | je regardais ton dernier doc envoyé à l'ENSMP le point mars 2005. J'me demandais si la selection dans l'OPAC de l'ordre de sortie des résultats (ascendants et descendant) tu l'avais fait | |
| 07:08 | paul | non |
| 07:08 | ce n'est pas très compliqué cela dit. | |
| 07:08 | sylvain | oui je sais ;) |
| 07:08 | paul | mais ca demande un chti changement dans l'API de catalogsearch |
| 07:08 | à faire avec précaution donc. | |
| 07:08 | petit truc : | |
| 07:09 | sylvain | ah, j'ai pas encore été dans les détails |
| 07:09 | paul | après le paramètres $desc_or_asc que tu vas rajouter |
| 07:09 | mettre | |
| 07:09 | $desc_or_asc = 'ASC' unless $desc_or_asc | |
| 07:09 | si tu mets le paramètre en dernier | |
| 07:09 | il n'y aura pas de risque pour les occurences de catalogsearch que tu aurais oublié de modifier. | |
| 07:10 | sylvain | k |
| 07:10 | paul | puisque $desc_or_asc ne serait pas passée, et serait donc positionnée à ASC ! |
| 07:11 | (et le mettre en dernier est OK, puisque ce serait juste après le "orderby", donc logique) | |
| 07:11 | sylvain | ok, bon bein j'vais aller faire ces petites modifs |
| 07:11 | tu as fait d'autres trucs par rapport au doc envoyé a l'ENSMP ? Si t'es pas la cet AM que je sache | |
| 07:11 | ? | |
| 07:33 | paul | non |
| 07:33 | (rien fait de plus que le doc envoyé) | |
| 07:34 | sylvain | k |
| 07:41 | et au fait pour le pb que j'avais soulevé hier au niveau des autorités tu veux que j'te le réexpose maintenant ? | |
| 08:08 | une petite question rapide avant d'aller manger, les modifs sur les templates OPAC, je dois les faires sur default/en ou j'peux les faire sur CSS (c'est ce que j'ai fait pour le moment, est-ce que je dois reporter dans default/en ? ) | |
| 08:13 | sachant que quandje passe en default comme interface, j'ai pas le choix du order by ! |
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