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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 12:43 | owen | Hi paul |
| 12:43 | paul | good morning owen |
| 12:44 | owen | I made a couple of commits yesterday that might be good to put in HEAD, but I don't have a HEAD installation to test them in. |
| 12:45 | I found that opac-serial-issues.pl didn't have a biblionumber variable passed to it, so the link back to opac-detail.pl was broken. | |
| 12:45 | paul | how did you your previous commits to head ? blindly ? |
| 12:45 | that would not be a problem, as head is supposed to be unstable anyway ! | |
| 12:46 | owen | Many things right now are the same in HEAD and rel_2_2, so it's easier. |
| 12:46 | paul | yep |
| 12:46 | owen | But the subscription files I changed yesterday were different in each |
| 12:46 | paul | for instance no head-specific code. |
| 12:47 | mmm... did i forgot something ? | |
| 12:47 | maybe | |
| 12:47 | owen | I don't know. I dealt with two files: opac-serial-issues.pl and Bull.pm |
| 12:47 | Bull.pm didn't properly format subscription start date according to system preference | |
| 12:48 | ...in the get_subscription_list_from_biblionumber subroutine | |
| 13:32 | tungsten | hi |
| 13:34 | wherun overdue report on 2.2 and I select an indivdual it goes into my email client. I suppose I would then email the overdue notice to the patron. Can this be changed to produce a snail mail letter? | |
| 13:35 | is this a librarian interface option? | |
| 13:43 | owen | We have a set-up that generates overdue letters, but it's not built into Koha |
| 13:44 | I think what we do is run a query directly on the database, and output the results into a text file that gets sent to a printer. | |
| 13:44 | kados: are you around? Maybe you know the details? | |
| 13:47 | tungsten | Okay |
| 13:47 | I'm still having a problem with a search within a search | |
| 13:48 | owen | Can you describe what you mean? |
| 13:48 | tungsten | I need to change machines and log back on 2 minutes. |
| 13:50 | http://mreavey.homeip.net:8001 | |
| 13:50 | do an opac search mystery | |
| 13:51 | take the first hit | |
| 13:51 | "a case of poison" | |
| 13:52 | owen | What version is this? |
| 13:53 | tungsten | on the return which comes from /usr/local/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/npl/en/opac-detail.tmpl |
| 13:53 | ver 2.2 | |
| 13:53 | owen | Okay, I've got the "case of poison" record up. |
| 13:53 | tungsten | the related link polution et.al are boken |
| 13:54 | owen | Yes they are. |
| 13:54 | paul | right (hello owen & tungsten) |
| 13:54 | they should use the new API for searches. | |
| 13:54 | it's a NPL template problem | |
| 13:54 | tungsten | yet if I put pollution in the search term in the box on top of the page it works |
| 13:54 | owen | Those got left in from the previous version. In fact, I may have updated that just yesterday. I'll have to check. |
| 13:55 | tungsten | I noticed the same thing on npl site |
| 13:55 | paul | right, because the templates are OK here : |
| 13:55 | <input type="hidden" name="op" value="do_search" /> | |
| 13:55 | <input type="hidden" name="type" value="opac" /> | |
| 13:55 | <input type="hidden" name="marclist" value="" /> | |
| 13:55 | <input type="hidden" name="and_or" value="and" /> | |
| 13:55 | <input type="hidden" name="excluding" value="" /> | |
| 13:55 | <input type="hidden" name="operator" value="contains" /> | |
| 13:55 | <input type="text" size="12" name="value" id="value" /> <input type="submit" class="submit" name="Go" value="Search" /></form></div> | |
| 13:56 | tungsten | it's line 60 of the above file which refers to the related link |
| 13:56 | on the return which comes from /usr/local/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/npl/en/opac-detail.tmpl line 60 | |
| 13:57 | owen | NPL is currently running a strange mix of 2.0 and 2.2. The subject search links on our OPAC page point back to a 2.0 machine which uses the old-style search syntax. It's a long story! |
| 13:58 | tungsten | what do you recommend? I do |
| 13:58 | owen | Grab and updated copy of the templates from CVS, or I could email them to you |
| 13:59 | tungsten | the latter please I'm not fam with using CVS |
| 13:59 | mrmrmr50rediffmail.com |
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| 13:59 | thanks | |
| 14:00 | owen | Sure. Let me make sure the subjects are working correctly now, and I'll send the files to you. |
| 14:00 | tungsten | great |
| 14:01 | owen | You'll be much better off. The version of the NPL templates you're using have an embarassing number of mistakes in them :( |
| 14:01 | tungsten | one more question I know you are busy |
| 14:02 | I noticed on npl you use icons for you item types | |
| 14:02 | owen | Yes. |
| 14:02 | tungsten | is it because I'm using "BK" as an item type that the icons don't show up? |
| 14:03 | kados | paul still around? |
| 14:03 | paul | yes (for few minuts) |
| 14:03 | owen | Yes. Paul's working on a way to make this easier, but right now you have to manually change the name of the image file |
| 14:04 | tungsten | should I use a different name than "BK" to see them? |
| 14:04 | owen | So there are two copies of the plain book image: One is called AF.gif, and one is called Fiction.gif. AF is the item type code, and Fiction is the item type description. |
| 14:04 | kados | paul: so I committed some Amazon stuff a few minutes ago |
| 14:04 | paul: I didn't commit any template changes ... not sure what the best way to do that is | |
| 14:05 | tungsten | thanks I get it now |
| 14:05 | owen | Change AF.gif to BK.gif, and Fiction.gif to book.gif |
| 14:05 | tungsten | ok |
| 14:05 | kados | paul: also, since I'm sure that "most" libraries may not want the amazon features I wasn't sure whether to commit it as a comment or as actual code ... I did it as actual code but if you want me to change it that's fine with me |
| 14:06 | paul | your modifs are in npl theme ? |
| 14:06 | or in default ? | |
| 14:06 | however, this requires specific modifs, as for ldap server. | |
| 14:06 | kados | paul: I didn't make any changes to any templates |
| 14:06 | paul | so I think it's a good thing to have it, with some doc, but not in official templates. |
| 14:07 | kados | paul: just added Amazon.pm |
| 14:07 | paul | Amazon.pm is documented ? |
| 14:07 | kados | paul: and made some additions to opac-details.pl |
| 14:07 | paul: not well | |
| 14:07 | paul: but I can add documentation on how to enable it in the templates (i.e., what variables are now available) | |
| 14:08 | paul | pls, do it, that should be enough for instance. |
| 14:08 | we will see with 2.4 release manager how to integrate it into official koha | |
| 14:08 | kados | paul: ok ... so I should take it out of opac-detail.pl then ... or just put it in comments? |
| 14:09 | paul | (about 2.4 RM : ask stephen for the mails Emiliano & me exchanged yesterday) |
| 14:09 | put it in comments. | |
| 14:09 | kados | paul: ok |
| 14:09 | paul | with something like #AMAZON start |
| 14:09 | and #AMAZON stop | |
| 14:09 | kados | paul: ok ... sounds good |
| 14:09 | paul | between amazon commented code |
| 14:09 | ok, i mus leave now. | |
| 14:10 | (baby ill...) | |
| 14:13 | tungsten | thanks |
| 14:14 | owen | 'morning kados |
| 14:15 | kados | morning owen :-) |
| 14:21 | slef | debian security advisory on libdbi-perl |
| 14:23 | kados | yea noticed that ... thanks slef |
| 14:27 | owen | Strange, the getMARCnotes subroutine should be pulling notes information from the MARC record and outputting them for opac-detail.pl, but nothing shows. |
| 14:33 | kados | they assume that the marc notes are in 500 and 599 |
| 14:33 | are those the right tags? | |
| 14:33 | for our data? | |
| 14:33 | owen | Between 500 and 599, I thought |
| 14:34 | "AND tag BETWEEN ? AND ? " | |
| 14:34 | kados | ahh ... so the entire 500s |
| 14:34 | owen | ...which should work. |
| 14:35 | The example I'm looking at has notes in the 520 tag. | |
| 14:36 | Plugging the query into mysql gets the right results | |
| 14:36 | kados | huh |
| 14:36 | owen | I wonder if it's a problem with the getMARCnotes subroutine |
| 14:39 | No, because it was working on the OPAC page that tungsten showed me | |
| 14:41 | kados | how are you attempting to display it in the template? |
| 14:41 | owen | <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="MARCNOTES" --> |
| 14:41 | <i>- <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="marcnote" --></i><br> | |
| 14:41 | <!-- /TMPL_LOOP --> | |
| 14:41 | ...that's from the default template | |
| 14:42 | kados | hmm ... looks right |
| 14:42 | strange | |
| 14:43 | owen | Heh... I got it. |
| 14:43 | kados | what was it? |
| 14:43 | owen | It was checking for $marc = "yes" from parameters. |
| 14:44 | kados | so we don't have that set/ |
| 14:44 | owen | But we have $marc = 1. It must have changed in a later release and we never updated the database |
| 14:44 | kados | ahh |
| 14:44 | that sounds like a bit of a bug | |
| 14:45 | owen | Yeah...not a change in database structure, but a change in the way the database stores the data |
| 14:46 | Hmmm... but using the system pref interface to change that value only changes it from 1 to 0 and back. | |
| 14:47 | ...but it's working in tungsten's new installation? | |
| 14:47 | something about the way the installer sets up the database? | |
| 14:53 | Okay, so now the related links are showing but still not the marcnotes loop... | |
| 14:54 | $marcnote is coming up empty? | |
| 15:02 | kados | owen have you discovered this: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/moz[…]eloper-0.8-fx.xpi |
| 15:03 | owen | the web developer toolbar? I couldn't live without it! |
| 15:04 | kados | I just discovered it |
| 15:04 | it's like discovering css ;-) | |
| 15:06 | owen | Along with that one, my required extensions are chatzilla, foxytunes, ieview, paste and go, and the bloglines toolkit |
| 15:07 | kados | :-) |
| 15:41 | slef | kados: I like the look of the amazon stuff, but are there similar alternatives |
| 15:41 | ? | |
| 15:41 | For those of us who would like to avoid supporting the one-click patenters if possible ;-) | |
| 15:42 | owen | For what it's worth, Amazon is used partly because of the wealth of information they provide, and the extent of their collection |
| 15:42 | The module is not intended specifically to drive business to Amazon (although that certainly could happen) | |
| 15:43 | I think many libraries use Amazon for reference purposes without ever spending a dime there | |
| 16:43 | well, I'm stumped about why marcnotes isn't showing up in opac-detail.pl. It must be getting lost somewhere in the getMARCnotes subroutine. | |
| 16:54 | kados | slef: the only other alternatives I'm aware of are 'for pay' |
| 16:54 | slef: syndetic solutions for instance | |
| 16:56 | slef: from my perspective, it's more rational to allow your patrons to 'pay' for the extended services via purchases than using limited library funds to buy that content ... but I'm also aware that my opinion is not shared by all (including my director) | |
| 16:59 | owen | In case it's not already clear, Joshua's setup assumes the library has created an Amazon Associates account and is getting a cut from each purchase at Amazon resulting from a link from the catalog. |
| 17:00 | kados | slef: BTW: I'm right there with you against that silly patent |
| 17:01 | (and it's not just 'one click' anyway) | |
| 17:01 | owen | I think the blame lies more with the patent office for granting it, but Amazon still shares the blame. |
| 17:07 | kados: I wonder if the boss would go for a list in the opac of the top 10 most-reserved items in the collection? | |
| 17:07 | ...just to steal more ideas from Amazon ;) | |
| 17:09 | kados | that'd be swell :-) |
| 17:09 | not too hard to do either | |
| 17:10 | owen | Yeah, Stephen said you whipped it together quick. He sounded impressed :) |
| 17:11 | kados | good :-) |
| 17:12 | there's still a few things to be done ... but it works now which is the important thing | |
| 17:12 | owen | I take it that was what your long conversations with si were about? |
| 17:12 | kados | I still can't find a good way of forcing IE not to cache when it redirects |
| 17:12 | yea | |
| 17:13 | so say I type in sex.com ... I'm taken to the override page ... but the browser _should_ think that it is actually sex.com | |
| 17:13 | so when they authenticate I redirect them to the referring url ... in mozilla that's sex.com ... in IE it's the authentication page | |
| 17:14 | I think it's because IE caches the page but I could be wrong | |
| 17:15 | owen | It's hard for me to picture it |
| 17:16 | kados | yea ... that's ok ... I need a break from it anyway |
| 17:24 | looks like apls network is lagging | |
| 17:24 | or else mine is | |
| 17:29 | so owen last time I tried to access the Koha z3950 client on 101 it gave me an internal server error | |
| 17:30 | owen | Was it a template error, or something else? |
| 17:30 | kados | looked like a template error ... but I didn't save it |
| 17:30 | one of the loops wasn't closed iirc | |
| 17:31 | looks like default is loaded now | |
| 17:31 | owen | I'm switching now |
| 17:31 | Nothing, just trying to figure out how stuff works. | |
| 17:32 | kados | ahh |
| 17:32 | owen | (and failing, btw) |
| 17:32 | kados | yea it's about time I did too ... I know next to nothing about acquisitions in Koha |
| 17:32 | http://66.213.78.101:8080/cgi-[…]imple/addbooks.pl | |
| 17:32 | so this is to search within the Koha database? | |
| 17:33 | owen | That's the search you're expected to do to determine if a newly acquired book is in your collection already |
| 17:33 | kados | ahh ... I wonder how our catalogers handle that currently |
| 17:34 | owen | It used to be that their cataloging software kept track of anything they had cataloged, so it knew whether or not the record had gone on to be added to our system. |
| 17:34 | kados | maybe after we figure out how it works we oughta get a meeting together between us and the catalogers to go over their current process and how best to make the transition |
| 17:35 | owen | that'll be about as fun as trying to convince Greg that he needs a computer on the bookmobile |
| 17:35 | kados | yea ... |
| 17:36 | owen | It was a template error on the z3950 page--it was asking for an include file that wasn't there. So that's fixed, but it's still saying "Still ?? requests to go" |
| 17:37 | kados | hmmm ... that sounds like yaz language to me |
| 17:37 | it might not be an error per say ... I can't get the pages to load from 101 (must be something going on between me and npl today) | |
| 17:43 | it looks to me like it's reloading every couple of seconds | |
| 17:44 | owen | Yeah, that's automatic under certain conditions: |
| 17:44 | <!-- TMPL_IF name="refresh" --> | |
| 17:44 | <meta http-equiv="refresh" content="2; url=<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="refresh" -->"> | |
| 17:44 | <!-- /TMPL_IF --> | |
| 17:44 | kados | hmmm |
| 17:45 | what's this: | |
| 17:45 | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '' at line 1 at /usr/local/koha/intranet/modules//C4/Search.pm line 2464. | |
| 17:45 | that's not related is it? | |
| 17:45 | owen | No idea |
| 17:46 | Yes | |
| 17:46 | sub breedingsearch { | |
| 17:46 | my ($title,$isbn,$z3950random) = @_; | |
| 17:47 | ...something to do with z3950, at least? | |
| 17:47 | kados | yea ... |
| 17:48 | maybe we need to add some z-servers | |
| 17:50 | huh ... loc is in there ... m | |
| 17:59 | huh ... that subroutine breedingsearch shouldn't be called by the z39.50 search | |
| 17:59 | or at least that's a bit counterintuitive | |
| 18:08 | hmmm this is suspicious: | |
| 18:08 | whois gbrowser.com | |
| 18:08 | Technical Contact, Zone Contact: | |
| 18:08 | Google Inc. | |
| 18:09 | Registrant: | |
| 18:09 | Google Inc. | |
| 18:09 | owen | yeah, there's been speculation about that for a while....a Google-branded browser? |
| 18:09 | To add fuel to the fire, the number-1 Firefox developer just took a job with Google | |
| 18:09 | kados | thats quite a thing |
| 18:10 | yea heard about that this morning | |
| 18:10 | pretty interesting | |
| 19:45 | slef | google-- |
| 19:46 | kados: have you tried both Expires and Cache-control headers? | |
| 20:04 | kados | slef: yep tried both |
| 20:06 | slef: assuming you're refering to the meta tags | |
| 20:06 | slef | no, HTTP headers |
| 20:07 | kados | ahh ... I didn't know about them ... thanks |
| 20:09 | slef | http-equiv meta tags are a bit of an ugly hack anyway |
| 20:09 | useful for testing local disk files on gecko-based browsers, though | |
| 20:12 | kados | slef do you use gentoo? |
| 20:13 | slef | I did, but it crashed and burned a bit easily. |
| 20:13 | Currently I have debian and gobo systems. | |
| 20:13 | kados | ahh |
| 20:13 | yea ... finding a good distro is tough | |
| 20:13 | slef | also, the difficulty of checking licences on gentoo is not nice |
| 20:14 | kados | I like debian but things are so old it's hard to use |
| 20:14 | I like FC3 but things are done stupidly sometimes (like networking) | |
| 20:14 | slef | "all our stuff is free but our free stuff might install evil stuff without warning" |
| 20:14 | kados | :-) |
| 20:15 | slef | "and what's more, we will illegally distribute some stuff on our CDs because we can't be bothered checking properly" |
| 20:15 | kados | this is gentoo? hehe |
| 20:15 | slef | yeah |
| 20:15 | they shipped patched mpg123 binaries on CDs for shops IIRC | |
| 20:16 | kados | hehe good one |
| 20:16 | slef | if it's important, I'll go find the exact details, but bleah! |
| 20:17 | I'd suggest trying a d-i/testing install or finding a young distribution with helpful maintainers | |
| 20:17 | depends what you want to do with it | |
| 20:17 | kados | naw ... every so often I just get fed up with the distro I'm using and look for another |
| 20:17 | slef | could always help fix debian RC bugs if you want a challenge ;-) |
| 20:17 | kados | and dream about having time to do LFS |
| 20:17 | :-) | |
| 20:17 | chris | isnt great to be able to do that tho kados |
| 20:17 | (switch distros that is) | |
| 20:17 | kados | yep |
| 20:18 | si | joshua: have you tried ubuntu? |
| 20:18 | kados | I'd sooner quit computer science than go back to windoes |
| 20:18 | no...it was on the list tho | |
| 20:18 | I take it you like it si? | |
| 20:20 | si | I've not used it |
| 20:20 | although I did download it the other day | |
| 20:20 | and I suspect it might get it's first trial on my sister in law | |
| 20:21 | who's the typhoid mary of IT | |
| 20:21 | kados | :-) |
| 02:29 | rach | hi |
| 02:29 | http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/al[…]ranet_home?full=1 |
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