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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:25 | paul | hi ambrose|w |
| 13:26 | ambrose | hi paul |
| 13:34 | paul | good morning owen |
| 13:35 | owen | Hi paul |
| 13:35 | Snowy morning here today | |
| 13:36 | paul | mistral here... |
| 13:36 | (mistral is the wind we have in Marseille) | |
| 13:36 | when there is mistral : blue sky, but very very cold (for Marseille...) ! | |
| 13:55 | owen | We're talking here at NPL about the possibility of blocking patrons from placing reserves if they are debarred. I wonder how difficult that would be? |
| 13:56 | paul | mmm... it's probably easy |
| 13:56 | use C4::Members.pm::getmember to get member informations | |
| 13:57 | and add a <!-- TMPL_UNLESS name="debarred" --> <!-- /TMPL_UNLESS --> in the templates | |
| 13:58 | owen | That doesn't sound too bad. |
| 13:59 | paul | maybe another solution would be to store debarred information in a cooki |
| 14:00 | (at login stage) | |
| 14:00 | will be a less load for the server | |
| 14:00 | owen | That's not a bad idea... Then you could use that cookie to change the template to one that was all red and black with skull-and-crossbones :) |
| 14:01 | paul | :) |
| 17:25 | kados | chris around? |
| 17:26 | chris | yep |
| 17:26 | kados | owen and I are trying to figure out where the holdingbranch value (available in the template) is hidden in request.pl |
| 17:27 | chris: nevermind ... | |
| 17:27 | chris | found it? |
| 17:27 | kados | sortof |
| 17:27 | owen can fill you in on the details ;-) | |
| 17:28 | looks like there's a npl customization for holdingbranch that was never committed | |
| 17:28 | owen | Here's the big picture: I was enlisting Joshua's help to get the holdingbranch information for waiting items output by opac-user.pl |
| 17:28 | chris | right |
| 17:28 | owen | I wanted to get both holdingbranch and pickup branch into that script so they could be compared |
| 17:29 | If they match, then the items is really waiting. | |
| 17:29 | chris | righto |
| 17:29 | owen | If not, then the item is still in transit |
| 17:29 | chris | yep |
| 17:30 | owen | I thought we could use getiteminformation() inside the foreach at line 124 of opac-user.pl |
| 17:30 | but that doesn't seem to work. | |
| 17:32 | chris | there is ItemInfo in Search.pm that might give you too much info tho |
| 17:33 | how are u calling getiteminformation? | |
| 17:34 | kados | so owen ... if you add $reserve{'holdingbranch'}=$item->{'holdingbranch'}; in the RESERVES loop that might work |
| 17:35 | oops that won't work ... | |
| 17:35 | chris | what script are u looking at joshua? |
| 17:35 | :) | |
| 17:35 | kados | :) |
| 17:36 | owen | Here's what I have in our copy of request.pl: |
| 17:36 | if($reserve{'holdingbranch'} eq $reserve{'wbrcode'}){ | |
| 17:36 | $reserve{'atdestination'} = 1; | |
| 17:36 | } | |
| 17:36 | where 'wbrcode' is the destination branch for the reserve. I'd like to be able to do the same thing in opac-user.pl | |
| 17:36 | chris | my $item=getiteminformation('',$res->{'itemnumber'},''); |
| 17:37 | $res->{'holdingbranch'}=$item->{'holdingbranch'}; | |
| 17:37 | might do it | |
| 17:37 | or | |
| 17:38 | if ($res->{'branchcode'} eq $item->{'holdingbranch'}){ | |
| 17:38 | $res->{'atdestination'}=1; | |
| 17:38 | } | |
| 17:38 | im assuming that $res contains the itemnumber | |
| 17:39 | else my $item=getiteminformation('',$res->{'itemnumber'},''); | |
| 17:39 | will fail | |
| 17:39 | if it does, if you put that in around line 127, and then the if you should have the value available in the template | |
| 17:40 | owen | syntax error at /usr/local/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac-user.pl line 126, near "'';" |
| 17:41 | kados | missing the ) ? |
| 17:41 | owen | Yep |
| 17:42 | Looks like it's working! | |
| 17:42 | kados | cool! |
| 17:42 | better commit it right away :-) | |
| 17:43 | owen | :) |
| 17:53 | Hi rach | |
| 18:19 | tim | Anyone here know anything about Flat Stanley? |
| 18:21 | An off-topic question at the children's librarians request. | |
| 18:21 | She's looking for sponsors. | |
| 18:22 | owen | I've heard of it. |
| 18:22 | Can't remember if its something I heard about being done here or not. | |
| 18:23 | tim | She'd like to get someone from out of the US. |
| 18:23 | chris | doesnt ring any bells for me |
| 18:24 | tim | One of the kids even asked for NZ |
| 18:24 | chris | ooh, i live there :-) |
| 18:24 | owen | :) |
| 18:24 | chris | what is flat stanley? |
| 18:25 | tim | I'm trying to find a web site that would explain it better than I could. |
| 18:25 | chris | righto |
| 18:25 | owen | http://www.enoreo.on.ca/flatstanley/ |
| 18:26 | tim | I couldn't connect. |
| 18:26 | chris | i could do that |
| 18:26 | so they mail me a flat stanley, and i take it places and write a journal and take photos of it? | |
| 18:27 | shame it couldnt get here by monday, i could take it to the NZ vs the World 11 cricket match :) | |
| 18:27 | owen | Can Stanley be faxed? ;) |
| 18:27 | chris | ohh yeah if you could fax it, and the journal |
| 18:28 | if stanley was hanging out with me, he'd be in computer machine rooms, and in front of computer screens a lot :) | |
| 18:29 | oh, and im going to australia for a week in february | |
| 18:29 | tim | I connected on the second try. |
| 18:30 | chris | or do they want kids? i know someone who teaches at a primary school (u guys call it elementary i think) |
| 18:31 | tim | It doesn't matter if there are kids. |
| 18:31 | chris | right, well id be willing to look after stanley for a while |
| 18:32 | ill even write a blog for him | |
| 18:32 | :-) | |
| 18:32 | tim | I think they mail it. |
| 18:32 | She asked me before she went to start todays after-school programing. | |
| 18:32 | chris | cool, ill take him to the nz vs australia cricket match later on then |
| 18:33 | waitangi day is feb 6 | |
| 18:33 | which is kinda like your guys independence day | |
| 18:33 | so that might be interesting | |
| 18:36 | tim | I can ask her for more detail when she gets out. |
| 18:37 | chris | thatd be cool |
| 18:37 | tim | Thanks! She's been trying different places from a Flat Stanley mailing list without any luck. |
| 18:38 | owen | Maybe Paul knows someone who'd take him in? |
| 18:40 | tim | That would be cool. We have a bunch of kids who made 'em. |
| 18:42 | I think I finally got the records and mapping set right on Koha. Been importing everything for a couple hours now. | |
| 18:42 | chris | sweet |
| 18:44 | kados | hehe that Flat Stanley looks like a lot of fun ;-) |
| 18:46 | tim | It does. |
| 18:46 | We probably have more to send if you want to do one. | |
| 18:47 | owen | Okay, I've committed those changes to both opac-user.pl and request.pl. |
| 18:47 | Next on the list is circulation.pl :) | |
| 18:49 | kados | owen did you commit them to HEAD or 2.2.0? (how do we commit things to 2.2.1?) |
| 18:50 | owen | I committed them to HEAD, though they probably could go in rel_2_2 as well |
| 18:50 | kados | so rel_2_2 will become 2.2.1 right? |
| 18:50 | chris | yes |
| 18:51 | and 2.2.2 and however many are made before 2.4.0 comes out | |
| 19:08 | owen | So the itemswaiting loop in circulation.pl has holdingbranch but not destination branch. Would I use FindReserves() to get reserves.branchcode? |
| 19:27 | LLMark | Hi |
| 19:28 | Anyone awake? | |
| 19:29 | Need to set up a "dual" install, one for our local campus and one for our extensionin Romania. Seems like I need to be able to set the ETCDIR variable, but I need a little help, if possibel. Thanks, Mark | |
| 19:32 | chris | hi mark |
| 19:32 | so you want to have a central database somewhere, and have to machines serving the opac and librarian interface .. is that right? | |
| 19:41 | kados | chris I may have asked you this before ... do you use ssh_keygen to create passwordless ssh keys for use in backup scripts (using scp)? ... /me recently read that if the keys are passwordless the key is unencrypted ... |
| 19:41 | chris: I was going to add some documentation on setting that up for Koha (in the backups document) but I wanted to pass the idea by you first (to make sure it's the 'right' way to do it) | |
| 19:43 | LLMark | sorry, I went away . . . |
| 19:43 | Yes, two installations of KOHA | |
| 19:43 | chris | hmm if the key is unencrypted that doesnt sound 2 nice kados |
| 19:44 | mark: sharing the same database? | |
| 19:44 | if so, its not too hard | |
| 19:44 | in you /etc/koha.conf | |
| 19:44 | LLMark | no, two different collections, tho I will transfer records between the two occasionally, probably |
| 19:44 | chris | ahh, right |
| 19:45 | then you just do 2 installs | |
| 19:45 | one on each machine | |
| 19:45 | and they each use their own database | |
| 19:46 | LLMark | OK, at the beginnig of running installer.pl it says something about setting etcdir, but I didn't know when or where to do that. I take it this is to be done AFTER the installation? |
| 19:46 | kados | chris: how do you do passwordless scp? |
| 19:46 | LLMark | oops, I miscommunicated |
| 19:47 | I want TWO separate databases on the same Linux Box | |
| 19:47 | chris | ahhh right |
| 19:47 | thats fine then :) | |
| 19:47 | how you do that is | |
| 19:47 | you do one install | |
| 19:48 | and put the stuff in /usr/local/koha1/ say when it asks you where to put the opac /usr/local/koha1/opac etc | |
| 19:48 | then when that is finished | |
| 19:49 | mv /etc/koha.conf to /etc/koha-1.conf (or some more senseable name) | |
| 19:49 | and edit the line in the httpd.conf that says | |
| 19:49 | SetEnv KOHA_CONF "/etc/unidokoha.conf" | |
| 19:49 | will say /etc/koha.conf | |
| 19:49 | set it to /etc/koha-1.conf | |
| 19:50 | you can see here that i set it to unidokoha.conf .. we have about 8 kohas running one box | |
| 19:50 | then you do another install | |
| 19:50 | and you will have 2 koha's with 1 db each | |
| 19:50 | does that make sense? | |
| 19:51 | LLMark | yes! |
| 19:51 | chris | cool |
| 19:51 | joshua: i use passwordless keys | |
| 19:52 | LLMark | there must be a separate section in httpd.conf for each install, I take it? |
| 19:52 | chris | thats right |
| 19:52 | kados | LLMark: actually, two, one for the opac and one for the intranet |
| 19:52 | chris | koha-unido-httpd.conf for eg |
| 19:52 | i do it that way i have one conf file for each install then in my main httpd.conf | |
| 19:52 | LLMark | WIll I have multiple SetEnv KOHA-CONF lines? |
| 19:53 | chris | i have |
| 19:53 | include /etc/apache/koha-unido-httpd.conf | |
| 19:53 | LLMark | OK! I'll go try and attempt to repor to the devel group when I get it all online and working! |
| 19:53 | chris | Include /etc/apache/koha-somethingelse-httpd.conf |
| 19:54 | then its all nice and seperate and to turn one off, i just comment out the include line | |
| 19:55 | kados | chris: this guy might be bsing but he says " An interesting feature of ssh-keygen is that it will allow you to simply press enter when prompted for a passphrase. If you don't supply a passphrase, then ssh-keygen will generate keys which are not encrypted!" |
| 19:55 | http://www-106.ibm.com/develop[…]=dgr-lnxw07Backup | |
| 19:56 | chris | ahh right, i cant remember how i generated the keys |
| 19:57 | it was a while ago now | |
| 19:57 | si | ssh-access |
| 19:57 | breakfast of champions | |
| 19:57 | kados | :-) |
| 19:57 | si | sorry ssh-keychain |
| 19:57 | kados | ahh yea I've heard about that |
| 19:57 | so that will start the ssh_agent for you on reboot right? | |
| 19:58 | LLMark | Thanks chris, et al. Bye |
| 19:58 | chris | cya |
| 19:59 | si | it makes the keys available to multiple processes |
| 20:00 | kados | si: so this would be a better choice than passwordless keys generated via ssh-keygen? |
| 20:01 | (writing up docs for backing up Koha to a remote server via scp) | |
| 20:01 | si | ohh my word yes |
| 20:01 | keychain helps you to manage ssh keys in a convenient and secure manner. It acts as a frontend to ssh-agent, but allows you to easily have one long running ssh-agent process per system, rather than the norm of one ssh-agent per login session. This dramatically reduces the number of times you need to enter your passphrase. With keychain, you only need to enter a passphrase once every time your local machine is rebooted. keychain also makes it easy | |
| 20:02 | http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/keychain/index.xml | |
| 20:02 | kados | thanks si |
| 20:03 | si | it's a nice end run around th eproblems normally associated with running keys under screen |
| 20:07 | kados | yikes! this article also says that passwordless keys are unencrypted |
| 20:09 | chris | i think that means they are just stored unencrypted, not the connection is unencrypted |
| 20:09 | kados | right ... |
| 20:09 | chris | which i cant see is any worse than coding a user name and a password into an expect or shell script |
| 20:10 | which is the other way you could do an automated scp | |
| 20:11 | kados | yea ... I guess for the purposes of this documentation keychain may be a bit too complex ... but I'll include a link |
| 20:12 | keychain will let your cron jobs 'source' your ~/.ssh-agent file to obtain access | |
| 20:15 | tim | Hey chris! We mail a packet with Stanley and some info in it. |
| 20:16 | You keep it for 5 days and write about what he's doing. Pictures would be nice too. | |
| 20:17 | If you'd still like to do it, let me know. We can exchange contact info and we'll send it out right away. | |
| 20:17 | chris | cool ill email you my address |
| 20:17 | whats a good email addy to send it to? | |
| 20:19 | tim | tmcmahon at wlpl.org |
| 20:19 | chris | cool |
| 20:20 | email on its way | |
| 20:25 | tim | Firefox flagged it as junk mail. |
| 20:33 | chris | thats me, spammer chris |
| 20:33 | :) | |
| 20:37 | tim | Thanks. It'll probably go in the mail tomorrow morning. |
| 20:38 | chris | cool |
| 20:43 | tim | Could you email me if you do the blog so the kids can keep track of him while he's there? |
| 20:44 | chris | sure can |
| 20:45 | ill try to do a blog, and take digital photos, so they can keep an eye on him | |
| 20:45 | tim | That would be cool. The kids'll like that. |
| 21:13 | kados | tim if you have any other kids I'd do the Flat Stanley thing too :-) |
| 21:15 | tim | I'll check if any are left. |
| 21:18 | She's out for supper. I think we'll have one, but I'll have to check later. | |
| 21:19 | woohoo! I have over 10000 records imported. | |
| 21:20 | chris | excellent :-) |
| 21:20 | tim | Almost half-way there |
| 21:22 | Is there any way I can switch it to run in the background so I can log off the server and let it run over night? | |
| 21:39 | kados | tim: take a look at "screen" a terminal multiplexor |
| 21:40 | multiplexer even | |
| 21:40 | http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ | |
| 21:40 | it will let you keep a terminal running on your server allowing you to disconnect and reconnect at will | |
| 21:41 | tim | I knew about that, but wasn't using screen when I started the import. |
| 21:42 | We have a Flat Stanley for you if you want kados | |
| 21:43 | kados | cool |
| 21:44 | I don't think you can background a running terminal | |
| 21:44 | tim | That's what I thought. |
| 21:44 | kados | so ... can you email it to me? |
| 21:44 | tim | Email the flat stanley? |
| 21:44 | kados | yea |
| 21:45 | jferraro at athenscounty.lib.oh.us | |
| 21:45 | tim | We could probably do that. Would you like it emailed too chris? |
| 21:45 | chris | depends what the kids would like more |
| 21:46 | tim | I guess it tepends on if they fit in the scanner too. |
| 21:46 | chris | if they want something back, that they can stick up on the wall, mail is fine |
| 21:46 | kados | same here |
| 21:46 | chris | if they dont mind digital format, email is fine also |
| 21:47 | i guess they could always print it out when we send it back | |
| 21:48 | mail takes anywhere up to 3 or 4 weeks to get to nz .. so email would be a lot faster for me, unless u airmail it | |
| 21:51 | tim | We'll probably scan and email tomorrow. |
| 21:51 | Just about closing time today. | |
| 21:55 | If I close the ssh connection, will the script stop running? | |
| 21:56 | chris | maybe ;) .. probably |
| 21:56 | tim | That's what I was thinking. |
| 21:56 | This computer runs XP and it's never held up running over night. | |
| 21:58 | chris | ull have to play world of warcraft with the ssh session in the background :) |
| 21:58 | tim | Thanks for helping out the kids. And for helping me out. |
| 21:59 | Gotta go to a board meeting now. | |
| 22:03 | kados | no local stores have it ... |
| 22:32 | chris ... have you seem Amarok? | |
| 22:32 | http://amarok.kde.org/ | |
| 22:33 | it does audioscrobbler natively | |
| 22:33 | it also downloads recommended songs from AS, and if you have the songs on your hard drive you can drag them onto the playlist | |
| 22:38 | chris | ill have to check that out |
| 22:40 | kados | chris: what level are you in WoW? |
| 22:40 | chris | which character? ;) |
| 22:41 | the one im playing at the moment is level 18 | |
| 00:09 | kados | chris if you do check out amarok best start here: |
| 00:09 | http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/14/2/ | |
| 00:34 | it also uses taglib for meta data reading: http://ktown.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html | |
| 01:18 | rach | http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/al[…]ncept_home_review |
| 01:56 | kados | looks nice rach |
| 01:56 | are those templates available somewhere in cvs? | |
| 01:56 | that's a nice addition too (10 most recently acquired items) | |
| 02:02 | rach | ha ha |
| 02:02 | you are such a card :-) | |
| 02:02 | they are currently in photoshop | |
| 02:03 | about to get made into actual templates -richard is in for a busy week | |
| 02:03 | but what I would like to know is if I've missed anything off | |
| 02:03 | etc | |
| 02:03 | I've based the book bag one on the NPL ones | |
| 02:04 | and I wasn't sure how realistic having an actual item featured on the front page was going to be | |
| 02:04 | we do it for a library customer who doesn't use Koha |
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