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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:46 | kados | what time was the IRC meeting today set for /me erased the email by mistake |
| 13:46 | paul | mmm... wait, i'm searching |
| 13:47 | 9GMT if i don't mind | |
| 13:47 | (thanks to remind it to me, as I would have missed it...) | |
| 13:47 | kados | ok ... thanks paul |
| 13:47 | :-) | |
| 13:47 | paul | Is Thursday December 2nd, |
| 13:47 | 9PM GMT | |
| 13:47 | 4PM Eastern Standard (USA) | |
| 13:48 | (copy of Rachel mail) | |
| 13:48 | kados | cool |
| 13:48 | paul | i'll release a 2.2.0RC4 very soon. |
| 13:48 | unless everybody want me to name it 2.2.0 ;-) | |
| 13:49 | (but i think rach had a very good idea : release the 2.2.0 official on January 2 or 3, for the 5th birthday of Koha !) | |
| 14:14 | kados | that's a great idea! |
| 14:14 | I've submitted some docs for Koha to Stephen ... so those will be included | |
| 14:14 | paul | great |
| 14:15 | i've a woman that translate docs for me (being paid) | |
| 14:15 | so, french docs should follow soon | |
| 16:50 | rach | hello |
| 16:52 | rosa | morena |
| 16:52 | as I heard someone say this morning, to the surprise of the Morning Report reporter | |
| 16:52 | are we an hour ahead of GMT now? | |
| 16:57 | rach | I wish I knew |
| 16:57 | right I gotta shut down the electrics for a few minutes according to the sparky | |
| 16:57 | back shortly | |
| 17:54 | kados | I guess it's close to that time eh? |
| 18:00 | hi stephen | |
| 18:01 | shedges | hi josh -- small group? |
| 18:01 | kados | sofar |
| 18:01 | paul and I talked about the meeting earlier and he said he'd be here | |
| 18:01 | hi owen | |
| 18:01 | chris | hi all |
| 18:01 | shedges | how's the baby, owen? |
| 18:01 | owen | Feeling lots better. |
| 18:02 | My wife's got her at the moment, but I may need to disappear at a moment's notice here. | |
| 18:02 | genji | hiya all |
| 18:02 | chris | i have apologies from rach and russel, rach has no power currently and russel's net connection is down |
| 18:02 | kados | ahh ... |
| 18:03 | genji | oh, the meeting.. cool. |
| 18:03 | kados | yea rach mentioned something about power earlier |
| 18:03 | hehe | |
| 18:03 | shedges | are you our fearless leader today, chris? |
| 18:04 | chris | dunno about that :) |
| 18:04 | but i can have a crack at chairing | |
| 18:04 | owen | I wonder if slef will be joining us? |
| 18:05 | chris | shall we give it a couple more minutes see if paul or slef wander in |
| 18:05 | owen | Yeah, we really should have paul here |
| 18:05 | shedges | i've forgotten what rach wanted to accomplish today |
| 18:05 | chris | me too |
| 18:05 | owen | And slef is the one that knows what's going on with 2.0 |
| 18:05 | chris | and i think her phone is down also |
| 18:05 | shedges | does she still have a house?? |
| 18:06 | chris | :) yeah, its just the phone is one of those cordless jobs, they dont handle having no power very well |
| 18:07 | owen | Rachel wrote: "As Paul is making good progress with the release of 2.2, another release candidate out over the weekend, can we please have another Koha IRC meeting. |
| 18:07 | Specifically we'll be looking for feedback on the release canadidates, to see where the documentation project is at, and to sort out a publicity plan for when the new release is out. " | |
| 18:07 | kados | I've emailed slef and paul ... |
| 18:07 | chris | ahh cool |
| 18:08 | owen | Seems like this is later than our usual time. I hope they can make it. |
| 18:08 | kados | not much of a meeting without the two release managers :-) |
| 18:09 | chris | yeah, i think we forgot we are gmt+13 at the moment |
| 18:09 | 8pm gmt might have been a better time | |
| 18:09 | owen | Be good to have Emiliano here too...I don't think I've heard anything from him recently though |
| 18:09 | chris | i wonder if we should try to reschedule |
| 18:10 | kados | might be a good idea |
| 18:11 | shedges | chris, have you looked at 2.2 yet? |
| 18:12 | (I confess I haven't, just seen Paul's docs.) | |
| 18:12 | chris | yep, we have a copy running |
| 18:12 | functionality wise .. its pretty sweet | |
| 18:12 | shedges | stable? |
| 18:13 | chris | so far so good, but we havent done any load testing |
| 18:13 | i have some issues with the interface .. but those are purely cosmetic | |
| 18:14 | id really like for us to do a "pretty" version for the default intranet/opac templates | |
| 18:14 | shedges | hey, would you and owen consider working up a doc on templating? |
| 18:14 | chris | im game if owen is |
| 18:14 | owen | It's already on my list, stephen. |
| 18:14 | shedges | great! |
| 18:14 | chris | he could tackle the html, ill tackle the perl side |
| 18:15 | shedges | i think it's help a lot of folks |
| 18:15 | chris | i think you are right |
| 18:16 | kados | speaking of docs ... I was working on the Backing up and Restoring section earlier and I was wonder whether chris uses keychains for passwordless authentication (to scp backups offsite) |
| 18:16 | JYL57 | Stephen, can you give us a 2.2 doc status ?! |
| 18:17 | shedges | I'm waiting for Paul to approve the XML of his French version |
| 18:17 | JYL57 | We are using a 2.2 release but french online help is missing... |
| 18:17 | shedges | As for English, somebody's supposed to be working on a translation |
| 18:17 | JYL57 | I can read and check it for you both if you want |
| 18:18 | Yes, I saw that a part of the documentation is already translated in french | |
| 18:18 | kados | I wonder how well google would translate french to english docs |
| 18:18 | shedges | sounds good -- what's your e-mail |
| 18:18 | chris | joshua, yep i use keys |
| 18:18 | JYL57 | jylemairerocketmail.com |
| 18:19 | shedges | (I think that's what I've got so far, and the translation is way too rough.) |
| 18:19 | JYL57 | google translation is a starting point... but anything will do for my librarians... ;-) |
| 18:20 | My opinion is that the manual is IT focused | |
| 18:20 | shedges | i've got the docs stored on a different machine, I'll e-mail what I've got later. |
| 18:20 | JYL57 | Ok, no prob |
| 18:20 | shedges | yeah, the online help was supposed to be aimed at the user. |
| 18:21 | JYL57 | Is the online help included with screens copies ?! |
| 18:21 | I mean in your manual | |
| 18:21 | shedges | nope. In fact, we're avoiding screen shots if possible, because different installs can look very different. |
| 18:21 | JYL57 | Or should I post some french translation proposals to the wiki ? or you directly ?! |
| 18:21 | kados | owen I noticed that the npl templates aren't loaded on our test machine (101) ... is that just from the last update? |
| 18:22 | owen | You mean they aren't set as the current template, or they're not there? |
| 18:22 | kados | the're not set up as the current template |
| 18:22 | shedges | to me would be great JY -- shedgesskemotah.com |
| 18:22 | JYL57 | wiki or mail ?! |
| 18:22 | shedges | |
| 18:22 | JYL57 | Ok ! |
| 18:23 | owen | kados, I think the last thing I worked on yesterday was in the default template, so it got left that way |
| 18:23 | kados | ahh |
| 18:23 | I like chris's proposal that we have a "pretty" default template ... | |
| 18:24 | chris | i still think that being able to switch templates is really cool .. just as an aside |
| 18:26 | joshua: i think perhaps we should aim to have a nice set of pretty default templates for the jan release if possible .. im not sure how feasible it is .. but we should be able to do that for the opac at least | |
| 18:27 | shedges | and the opac is the most important... |
| 18:27 | chris | http://opac.qa.katipo.co.nz/cg[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 18:27 | is a 2.2 version running | |
| 18:27 | so there are a few template issues (the title being one of them) | |
| 18:28 | JYL57 | Stephen, I thought about online help again |
| 18:28 | chris | that id like to see fixed before the 2.2 full release .. as i said before im pretty happy with the functionality though |
| 18:28 | JYL57 | Wouldn't it be nice to have a date or a version of the online help text ?! |
| 18:28 | chris | paul and anyone who has been helping have done well with that |
| 18:29 | kados | well as far as templates go, how do the npl templates compare? |
| 18:29 | JYL57 | I want to be able to check easily some changes in one version or another |
| 18:29 | shedges | JYL, yeah, I think I should be knocking the online helps into XML, complete with revision numbers |
| 18:30 | the revision numbers match (sort of) the version numbers | |
| 18:30 | JYL57 | Yes, I read that some weeks ago |
| 18:30 | Online help in the XML is fine for me, one place for all ! | |
| 18:31 | shedges | Maybe I'll make that a priority. |
| 18:31 | chris | http://opac.qa.katipo.co.nz/cg[…]koha/opac-main.pl whoops i think the npl ones are busted on our install :) |
| 18:31 | JYL57 | Didn't dare to ask for... ;-) |
| 18:31 | chris | maybe missing the css file? |
| 18:31 | kados | chris looks like the css files are missing |
| 18:32 | owen | I wonder if the path to the css file is wrong... |
| 18:32 | chris | ill look to see if its there |
| 18:33 | JYL57 | The OPAC is really cool in the 2.2 |
| 18:33 | shedges | yeah, you know, it really is pretty impressive. |
| 18:33 | owen | That's the old version of the npl templates that still has our navigation menu items in it (fixed in CVS this week) |
| 18:34 | chris | ill get the new versions from cvs and install them later on then |
| 18:34 | ta owen | |
| 18:34 | shedges | does the default opac-main use css now? |
| 18:34 | owen | Yes |
| 18:35 | shedges | (thought so, from the bottom of the page) |
| 18:35 | owen | Or no, is Paul's css version called 'css', and the default is still the non-css one for the OPAC? |
| 18:35 | chris | http://opac.qa.katipo.co.nz/cg[…]koha/opac-main.pl <-- default .. i think should be deprecated and something else should become the default |
| 18:36 | thats right owen | |
| 18:36 | opac.qa is running the default templates now, i think either npl or css ones should become the default or a new set made | |
| 18:37 | and what is the default now, should be taken out | |
| 18:37 | kados | I think paul recently mentioned that css is the new default |
| 18:37 | shedges | good. |
| 18:37 | chris | yep, would be good to call it default then i think |
| 18:37 | kados | on both opac and intranet I think |
| 18:38 | the change language feature is really nice but sofar I haven't seen it work since no other language templates have been committed | |
| 18:38 | chris could you commit your mauri templates? :-) | |
| 18:39 | owen | css should be in English and French, shouldn't it? |
| 18:39 | kados | hmm ... lemme try |
| 18:39 | chris | maori :) |
| 18:39 | kados | yep french works |
| 18:39 | ahh ... well I was close :-) | |
| 18:39 | chris | so far i only have them for the vanilla theme |
| 18:40 | JYL57 | Yes, franch is working quite nice |
| 18:40 | french sorry | |
| 18:40 | kados | hmmm, on chris's opac french doesnt' give an option to switch back to english :-/ |
| 18:40 | JYL57 | switching is useful to take a look at the online advices ! ;-) |
| 18:40 | shedges | yep. |
| 18:41 | chris | yeah the buttons is missing in the french templates |
| 18:41 | JYL57 | It was a bugg in earlier versions |
| 18:41 | but should be solved now ! | |
| 18:41 | chris | i think there is stuff like that, that we need to iron out before release |
| 18:41 | JYL57 | anyway a quick SQL query can do |
| 18:41 | chris | annoyances for the users |
| 18:41 | and we dont want that :) | |
| 18:42 | JYL57 | I'm confirming it's okay for 2.2 RC2 & RC3 releases ! |
| 18:43 | chris | maybe in the css templates |
| 18:44 | ill switch the opac back to them | |
| 18:44 | kados | yep that did it chris |
| 18:45 | chris | cool |
| 18:45 | thats why we should make the default templates vanish | |
| 18:45 | since if you switch to them, stuff doesnt work | |
| 18:45 | kados | we should have names for the languages rather than just letter codes IMO |
| 18:45 | right | |
| 18:46 | chris | yeah |
| 18:46 | shedges | yeah, letter codes aren't user-friendly |
| 18:46 | chris | so i think the consensus is .. online help, and tidying templates/interface is where we should expend some energy |
| 18:47 | owen | Right now it's just looking at directory names, I think. How do we tell it something different? New system preferences? |
| 18:47 | kados | sounds like a hash would be nice here |
| 18:48 | owen | I wonder if this bug is affecting people's interest in Koha: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=798 |
| 18:49 | chris | hmm yeah that should be fixed really |
| 18:50 | shedges | it's still assigned to Steve? I thought MJ assigned it to someone else. |
| 18:50 | JYL57 | didn't notice it or check it but will have soon to deal with that... |
| 18:51 | owen | MJ just marked it as a 2.2 bug since it wasn't going to get done for 2.0 |
| 18:51 | chris | i think it might be time for me to become one with the how the permissions work |
| 18:51 | kados | hmmm someone moved the index files for opac and intranet out of htdosc |
| 18:51 | in cvs ... anyone know about that? | |
| 18:51 | owen | This seems to be the only "critical" bug in Bugzilla, but I don't know if it's current: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=824 |
| 18:52 | kados | chris or at least how they dont :-) |
| 18:52 | chris | :) |
| 18:53 | shedges | owen, i suspect that bug has more to do with the MARC records than anything. |
| 18:53 | MARC uses things like "c1998" for dates | |
| 18:53 | Koha needs an integer. | |
| 18:54 | (Our import script cleans the dates before loading.) | |
| 18:55 | I think the fix for this bug would be to modify the Koha tables to take character data | |
| 18:55 | owen | Or maybe we need to put the same magic into the breeding farm import script? |
| 18:55 | chris | either fix has pros and cons |
| 18:55 | character data, makes it harder to sort | |
| 18:55 | owen | Harder to limit by date, no? |
| 18:56 | chris | ie c1998 comes after 2000 in ascii sort |
| 18:56 | owen | Right |
| 18:56 | JYL57 | character data for date should be limited to the tank I think |
| 18:56 | shedges | then we need to clean the dates before loading. |
| 18:56 | JYL57 | yes |
| 18:56 | chris | the con with dropping the data, is we lose some data .. so i guess the question is what is that c for and is it important? |
| 18:57 | JYL57 | in a second step |
| 18:57 | shedges | the c is for copyright. |
| 18:57 | chris | ahh |
| 18:57 | owen | It's just MARC junk. As long as it's still intact in the MARC record why keep it? |
| 18:58 | shedges | catalogers get picky, and even put several dates in the date field if the copyright date doesn't match the pub date |
| 18:58 | librarians are just anal | |
| 18:58 | owen | That's the real issue--how to tell what the real (or most important) copyright date is |
| 18:58 | chris | i think im agreeing with owen .. without the c we can do things like find me all the stuff between 1998 and 2000 quite simply .. with character data it becomes much more cpu intensive |
| 18:59 | owen | Stephen, does your script simply take the first one in the field? |
| 18:59 | shedges | the most recent date is always last, so that's what I kept in our import script |
| 19:00 | something like a reissue of Gone with the Wind could have "c1936, 1987" | |
| 19:00 | owen | It's a toughie...Someone searching the catalog might be looking for something based on its original copyright date or the most recent one. |
| 19:01 | shedges | more likely they're going to be looking for new issues, don't you think? |
| 19:01 | JYL57 | Guys I 'll get some rest now, but I'm hoping to read wonderful stories on the Koha IRC log tomorrow ! |
| 19:02 | shedges | cya JYL |
| 19:02 | JYL57 | see you ! |
| 19:02 | chris | cya jyl |
| 19:02 | JYL57 | Still searching for some translations stored somewhere but where ?!... |
| 19:02 | bye | |
| 19:02 | shedges | we've got biblio.copyrightdate and biblioitems.publicationdate, maybe we use them both? |
| 19:03 | genji | we do. |
| 19:03 | chris | we do at hlt |
| 19:03 | shedges | only one will show in the template, right? |
| 19:03 | genji | copyrightdate is the date that the work was first created. |
| 19:03 | chris | nope both can show |
| 19:03 | genji | publication date is the date that this copy of the work was created. |
| 19:04 | chris | i think in the opac tho, by default only the copyright is showing |
| 19:04 | shedges | We should check with some of the MARC experts on the list, but I think if there's more than one date in the MARC record, the first is always copyright date, the second the pub date |
| 19:05 | chris | right |
| 19:05 | thatd be worth checking | |
| 19:05 | shedges | Steven B. would probably know |
| 19:06 | chris | then the trick is how do you map 1 MARC field to 2 koha fields |
| 19:06 | i think that is more an interface problem | |
| 19:06 | shedges | oh yeah... tricky. |
| 19:07 | well, it messes with the MARC tag structure, too. | |
| 19:07 | chris | true |
| 19:08 | we could do something fancy | |
| 19:08 | on importing from the reserviour (whats it called now?) | |
| 19:08 | shedges | MARC reservior |
| 19:08 | reservoir | |
| 19:09 | chris | if koha notices 2 dates in a field, it could do somehting like, hey there are 2 dates here, shall i put the first one in copyright the secondone in publication date |
| 19:09 | of course .. you still have the problem come edit time that way | |
| 19:10 | shedges | the simplest (though not the best) thing to do is pick one date. Probably the copyright date. |
| 19:10 | (unlike what I chose) | |
| 19:11 | paul | i made a big mistake... |
| 19:11 | we are in WINTER time. So GMT+1 !!! | |
| 19:12 | shedges | yeah, yeah |
| 19:13 | I've gotta step away for a while, hope to be back later. | |
| 19:13 | (I'll stay logged in so I don't miss anything.) | |
| 19:13 | chris | :) |
| 19:14 | i probably need to wander off and do some work about now | |
| 19:18 | paul | mmm... i've read logs. |
| 19:18 | anybody still around ??? | |
| 19:18 | or I go to bed ? | |
| 19:19 | chris | i think probably head to bed paul, we should try to reschedule another meeting when more people can make it .. some good stuff came out of this one though |
| 19:19 | some things to work on | |
| 19:19 | paul | ok, did you do some tests with MARC=OFF ? |
| 19:20 | (note also I confirm that language switching works perfectly between fr & en in css opac) | |
| 19:21 | chris | yep, im pleased to report full acquisitions (with budgets) worked fine with marc=off |
| 19:21 | we plan to do more testing still | |
| 19:21 | but so far so good | |
| 19:21 | paul | (except that i commited something VERY important today) |
| 19:21 | I copy the commits notes : | |
| 19:21 | CRITICAL bug in acquisition (another one...) : when MARC=ON, and an order line is created from an existing biblio (to buy another item), the MARC biblio is lost and replaced by the non marc one (that has a lot less informations...). To solve the problem, the biblio can no more be modified after the order has been placed. Less feature, but more reliable ! (not simple solution to solve this problem. Would imply to rewrite the MARC biblio from the | |
| 19:21 | non marc datas, and no API is provided for this yet) | |
| 19:22 | chris | ahhh right |
| 19:22 | paul | maybe we could also test if MARC=ON or OFF. |
| 19:22 | and if MARC=OFF, we could let the old behaviour if katipo needs it | |
| 19:22 | chris | ahh good idea paul |
| 19:23 | ok i have visitors be back later | |
| 19:23 | paul | (in fact, I just show the variables, without <input type=text> when it's a modif) |
| 19:23 | ok, i'll take care of this idea. Should be really easy | |
| 19:23 | have a good day, i go to bed | |
| 20:01 | kados | chris still around? |
| 20:01 | I'm wondering how I can use the koha.conf file to populate some variables for a script I'm working on | |
| 20:17 | genji | okay, i found something interesting. |
| 20:18 | savebiblio.pl saves the subjects, but something else erases them, something happens between savebiblio and searching for an item from the biblio. so.. could be saveitem.pl.. could be searchmarc... could be anything. | |
| 20:22 | any way to trap a write attempt onto that table? | |
| 20:25 | found the bug. legacy code in biblio.pm | |
| 23:06 | kados | chris around? |
| 23:08 | chris | sorta |
| 23:08 | kados | I'm wondering how I can use the koha.conf file to populate some variables for a script I'm working on |
| 23:09 | chris | is the script running as a cgi? ie under apache? |
| 23:09 | kados | no |
| 23:10 | it's just a script to build the symlinks to a CVS koha repo | |
| 23:10 | chris | in that case probably C4::Context is ur best bet |
| 23:10 | kados | and I want to keep the configurable variables to a minimum |
| 23:11 | chris | use C4::Context("/path/to/koha.conf"); |
| 23:11 | kados | (It's going into the documentation I'm writing at the moment) |
| 23:11 | chris | $config_value = C4::Context->config("config_variable"); |
| 23:11 | kados | cool, thanks |
| 23:13 | chris | or if its just in /etc/koha.conf |
| 23:13 | you can go | |
| 23:13 | use C4::Context; | |
| 23:13 | my $context = new C4::Context; | |
| 23:14 | then $config_value = $context->config("config_variable"); | |
| 23:14 | bit less typing :) | |
| 03:02 | genji | hey chris, you in? |
| 04:04 | chris | am now genji |
| 04:27 | now im gone | |
| 05:03 | genji | hiya paul. okay, something wierd... got a multipage search result, click next page, and it doesn't search on the same terms.. and, on first page, it doesn't show number of items. |
| 05:03 | nor location | |
| 05:19 | search.marc does not search subjects.... this is with MARC=OFF. | |
| 05:20 | same with MARC=ON | |
| 05:23 | doing rebuildnonmarc.pl to see if something happens. | |
| 06:02 | and no. it didn't work. | |
| 06:16 | hmm.. going to do a fresh install of everything, and see what happens. | |
| 07:31 | fresh install done, import done. still the subjects won't search. only through catalogue-home.pl and the result interface is buggy. |
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