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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:52 | kados | hey owen |
| 13:06 | if not can you give me the exact error and I'll try to track it down ... | |
| 15:02 | tim | I looked into that. It's cool blog software. |
| 15:04 | kados | yea I really like it |
| 15:04 | actually it's not blosxom that's screwing things up it's actually one of the plugins | |
| 15:04 | called blox | |
| 15:04 | it basically takes a plain text file and puts html wrappers around it | |
| 15:05 | so I don't need to specify any wrappers for br and p | |
| 15:05 | but it's messing things up at the moment ... | |
| 15:08 | owen | re-subscribing to your feed just now looked like it worked--the latest stuff is showing up in Bloglines |
| 15:10 | kados | cool |
| 15:10 | I can't figure out what the problem is with these <p> ... or does xhtml use <p /> ? | |
| 15:11 | owen | <p> has to be closed with </p> It's a wrapper. |
| 15:11 | But it looks like that's working correctly, judging from the source | |
| 15:12 | kados | yea ... what do you make of the xhtml errors? |
| 15:13 | Line 355, column 2: document type does not allow element "p" here; missing one of "object", "applet", "map", "iframe", "button", "ins", "del" start-tag | |
| 15:14 | <p> | |
| 15:14 | owen | What's the <p> nested inside of? (Can't look, helping a patron) |
| 15:15 | kados | <tr> |
| 15:15 | <td valign="top"> | |
| 15:18 | owen | I see the problem: At line 356 (according the the validator output), you open a paragraph tag, and then open another one at line 359. You can't nest them. |
| 15:18 | kados | hmmm |
| 15:19 | tim | Is there a 2.0.1 stable release yet? |
| 15:19 | kados | must be a blox bug |
| 15:19 | should be | |
| 15:19 | owen | Something in the template, maybe? |
| 15:19 | kados | you can download it from sourceforge |
| 15:20 | but it's not open cause mj hasn't released the repo (that I know of) | |
| 15:20 | well those <p>s are generated on the fly by a blosxom plugin | |
| 15:20 | I'll just change them to <br /><br /> hehe | |
| 15:23 | owen | Instead, wrap those titles in a div, and style the div to match what you want. So maybe div.title { font-weight : bold; margin-bottom : 10px; } . something like that. |
| 15:23 | Then you can leave out the <br /> and the <b></b> and the initial <p> | |
| 15:25 | kados | blox handles all the tags for the actual blog |
| 15:27 | ok it's almost valid ... one problem left | |
| 15:28 | Line 370, column 49: element "STDIN" undefined | |
| 15:28 | # ipcs -s | grep apache | perl -e 'while (<STDIN>) {<br /> | |
| 15:28 | is there some tag I can use to say 'ignore this next bit' | |
| 15:29 | I'd like to preserve the command for future generations :-) | |
| 15:32 | owen | You have to use escaped entities for < and >: < and > |
| 15:46 | kados | yay! validated now ... thanks owen |
| 15:47 | owen | Now if only I could finish that darn web standards speech... |
| 15:47 | kados | hehe |
| 15:48 | well you can always pick on some of the state-wide sites OPLIN/OVAL/State library | |
| 15:48 | owen | That'd be fun! |
| 15:51 | chris | ata marie |
| 15:55 | owen | hi chris |
| 15:55 | chris | heya |
| 15:57 | kados | morning chris |
| 16:05 | we'd need to hire some contractors to maintain the interstates, etc... | |
| 16:05 | chris | u do? |
| 16:05 | kados | hehe |
| 16:05 | our political discussion spilled over into #koha | |
| 16:06 | we're discussing abolishing the nation state | |
| 16:06 | but voting out bush for starters | |
| 16:06 | there's a rally tonight in athens featuring Edwards | |
| 16:07 | chris | ahh right |
| 16:08 | edwards was going for the democrat nomination eh? | |
| 16:08 | kados | well actually it's Kerry/Edwards ... he's the fall guy |
| 16:09 | so hopefully he'll be vice-prez | |
| 16:09 | chris | ohh right |
| 16:09 | kados | but I'm doubtful we'll beat bush |
| 16:09 | ToyKeeper | Hopefully *someone* will get rid of bush... |
| 16:09 | kados | hehe |
| 16:09 | chris | seen this ? http://betavote.com/ |
| 16:10 | pretty much the rest of the world hopes you do :-) | |
| 16:10 | ToyKeeper | I doubt that kerry is anywhere close to ideal, but it would be hard to be as bad. |
| 16:10 | kados | well it's hard to be optimistic when one remembers that bush actually lost last time |
| 16:10 | ToyKeeper | ... yeah. |
| 16:10 | And that his friends are the ones who make the voting machines. :( | |
| 16:10 | chris | New Zealand 134 1477 8 % 91 % |
| 16:11 | owen | Not very scientific, though, is it? :) |
| 16:11 | chris | no .. not in ths slightest |
| 16:11 | owen | I see Bush is doing very well in Liechtenstein |
| 16:11 | chris | heh |
| 16:12 | owen | Well, Kerry gets another vote from me on behalf of the Czech Republic! |
| 16:14 | Are there really 19 bored websurfers in Vatican City who are voting on this thing? :) | |
| 16:14 | chris | somehow i doubt it :-) |
| 16:14 | ToyKeeper | The voting system in the US really needs to be fixed. |
| 16:15 | chris | dont get as confusing as nz toykeeper |
| 16:15 | ToyKeeper | If there were a multiple-vote system in place, I suspect the 3rd-party candidates would suddenly start winning. |
| 16:15 | chris | for the general elections (ie parliament) we use MMP |
| 16:15 | owen | yeah, fixed like a broken clock, rather than fixed like a Vegas slot machine. |
| 16:15 | chris | then for the local govt elections, there are about 4 systems in use |
| 16:15 | ToyKeeper | I don't even care which multiple-vote system is used... I prefer condorcet, but approval is good too, as are others. |
| 16:16 | chris | for the wellington city council, its STV, and the wellington regional council its FPP |
| 16:17 | id like if they picked a system .. and stuck with it :-) MMP i like | |
| 16:17 | ToyKeeper | Er, rather, I like the concorde system. :) |
| 16:17 | http://seehuhn.de/comp/vote.html | |
| 16:17 | It's pretty simple from the voter's point of view, but has good properties. | |
| 16:18 | You just rank all the candidates in order, and may place more than one at the same rank if you have no preference between them. | |
| 16:18 | chris | ahh thats STV (well what they call it here) |
| 16:19 | thats how we vote for our mayor and councillors | |
| 16:19 | MMP = mixed member proportional .. for the general elections | |
| 16:19 | u get 2 votes | |
| 16:19 | 1 for ur local representative, and 1 for a party | |
| 16:20 | thats how the greens got 5 seats, because they got 6% of the total vote .. but didnt actually win in any electorate | |
| 16:21 | seems to work quite well, makes for coalition governments .. which doesnt allow any one agenda to run roughshod over the others | |
| 16:22 | ToyKeeper | Yeah, that sounds like a good thing... it would hopefully avoid things like the past 4 years of US gov't. |
| 16:23 | I feel like I'm living in late 1930's germany. | |
| 16:28 | chris | well, one good thing, the nz$ is much stronger against the us$ now than it was 4 years ago, makes our wedding cheaper ... (looking for a silver lining :-)) |
| 16:29 | ToyKeeper | I've been wanting to move to NZ for several years now... |
| 16:29 | chris | shortage of IT workers they reckon |
| 16:29 | over here | |
| 16:30 | http://www.nzherald.co.nz/stor[…]ubsection=comment | |
| 16:30 | ToyKeeper | That's not why I'm interested, though. :) It just seems like a much nicer place to live. |
| 16:30 | chris | yep, just thinking it would be easyish to get a job :) |
| 16:31 | owen | I wonder if that includes web designers |
| 16:31 | Someone told me it was really tough to get a visa | |
| 16:31 | chris | depends |
| 16:32 | on how nice ur employer is | |
| 16:32 | ToyKeeper | I heard it was easier for IT people and doctors to get visas... but otherwise pretty difficult. |
| 16:32 | chris | and depends on which country ur coming from too |
| 16:32 | laurel has permanent residence now | |
| 16:33 | owen | Can she vote by absentee ballot here? :) |
| 16:33 | chris | getting her work visa was a bit tricky, but thats cos ur not supposed to get it when ur already in nz |
| 16:33 | but once she got that, residence was pretty easy | |
| 16:33 | yep owen, she can vote here, and in the us elections | |
| 16:34 | ToyKeeper | I'm hoping to save up enough to be able to sell my house and move in the next year or two. |
| 16:35 | owen | Depending on how much one owes on one's house, a sale might not bring in much money! |
| 16:36 | chris | laurels employers wrote a nice letter say how she is perfect for the job, they couldnt find anyone else .. and how they wanted someone who had studied overseas ... which if you have the immmigration dept is pretty happy |
| 16:36 | owen | That's cool. |
| 16:37 | chris | so thats the trick, a nice employer who is willing to help out with the visa |
| 16:37 | ToyKeeper | Oh, heh. I need to get enough money to fix up some things before selling it. Not much, but it's been difficult to get any income at all around here. |
| 16:38 | owen | Where are you located, ToyKeeper? |
| 16:39 | ToyKeeper | Right in the middle of the US... Colorado. |
| 16:39 | chris | ohh |
| 16:39 | near grand junction? | |
| 16:39 | ToyKeeper | A few hours north of that. |
| 16:39 | owen | Right in the middle, and...over to the left a bit ;) |
| 16:39 | chris | both rach and I have been there |
| 16:40 | at different times | |
| 16:40 | colorado is the same size as nz (if u squish nz up) | |
| 16:40 | ToyKeeper | If I lived about an hour south (Denver), it'd be much easier to find work... but where I'm at now just isn't big enough to support the amount of open-source geeks living here. |
| 16:41 | chris | ahh right |
| 16:44 | owen | chris, it sounds like you've been doing a lot of Koha installs recently. Will any of that lead to any Koha development work, do you think? |
| 16:45 | chris | i hope so |
| 16:46 | rachel and russel are talking with lots of libraries around the place, and we have done lots of installs for people to evaluate .. hopefully it will lead to some live installations and development work | |
| 16:47 | there is a lot of interest in koha at the moment, so we'd like to generate that into some work | |
| 16:48 | owen | I'm looking forward to the IRC meeting. It's hard to tell these days what's going on on the development front. Paul seems to be dominating all the new work. |
| 16:48 | I'm grateful that work is getting done, but I'd prefer to see more than one person doing it! | |
| 16:48 | chris | yep it'll be good to catch up |
| 16:48 | ahh there are other french developers working on it | |
| 16:49 | but yep its mostly paul .. the argentinians are doing some work for 2.4 | |
| 16:49 | owen | Under Paul, though right? |
| 16:49 | chris | im not sure |
| 16:49 | hes the release manager | |
| 16:50 | so he will have the say whats in or out of the release | |
| 16:50 | owen | Sure. |
| 16:50 | chris | i think the kaitiaki role will come up at the meeting |
| 16:50 | owen | Yes |
| 16:50 | chris | thats what we are missing i think .. that overall leadership |
| 16:52 | ToyKeeper | The word "katipo" came up in balderdash last week during game night... |
| 16:52 | chris | heh? really |
| 16:52 | ToyKeeper | I was happy I finally knew what one of the words meant. :) |
| 16:52 | kados | paul wan't the argentinians to be the 2.4 release managers and he want's to maintaine 2.2 last I heard |
| 16:52 | chris | yep |
| 16:54 | more power to him, maintaining the stable release is hard work :) | |
| 16:54 | ToyKeeper | Hard and usually no fun. |
| 16:54 | chris | yep |
| 16:54 | owen | I wonder if the whole arch vs. cvs issue should be discussed? |
| 16:54 | chris | its much more fun breaking stuff in the development branch |
| 16:54 | i think so owen | |
| 16:55 | ToyKeeper | Does koha use arch? |
| 16:55 | chris | we are trialing it |
| 16:56 | for the 2.0.x branch | |
| 16:56 | (current stable) | |
| 16:56 | ToyKeeper | svn is pretty nice too, and has good windows clients. |
| 16:57 | chris | my thing is .. sourceforge for all its faults .. mostly does what we want |
| 16:57 | ToyKeeper | I don't have much experience with arch, but it does seem like a big improvement over cvs. |
| 16:58 | chris | i think itd be a biggish discussion .. so last on the agenda might be good :-) be good to talk about roles etc first |
| 16:58 | and itd be time for a round of intro again i reckon | |
| 16:59 | its been a long time since we have had a meeting, there are quite a few new developers | |
| 16:59 | :-) | |
| 17:01 | ToyKeeper | Wow. Politicians there must not be the pox-infested slime buckets that I'm used to around here... I wouldn't want one anywhere near my kids, if I had any. |
| 17:01 | chris | heh |
| 17:04 | thanks for that email to the list joshua | |
| 17:06 | kados | np :) |
| 17:11 | chris | http://www.wired.com/news/prin[…]294,64945,00.html |
| 22:31 | kados | great article chris |
| 02:06 | chris | morning paul |
| 02:08 | paul | good evening chris |
| 02:39 | emiliano | Hi everybody |
| 02:39 | paul are you here? | |
| 02:39 | paul | yep |
| 02:39 | hi emiliano | |
| 02:40 | emiliano | I've "finished" |
| 02:40 | a 2.4 roadmap | |
| 02:40 | send you the URL by mail? | |
| 02:40 | have assigned login pswd to modify contents also | |
| 02:40 | paul | please. |
| 02:40 | emiliano | ok |
| 02:40 | paul | do you see the IRC meeting ? |
| 02:40 | emiliano | yep |
| 02:41 | I was trying to | |
| 02:41 | finish it before 20 | |
| 02:41 | paul | you must be here |
| 02:41 | ;-) | |
| 02:41 | emiliano | of course |
| 02:44 | has gone...the email | |
| 02:45 | pls tell me if it was received | |
| 02:45 | paul | ok, recieved. |
| 02:45 | emiliano | quick ;-) |
| 02:45 | paul | i'll check today |
| 02:45 | emiliano | ok |
| 02:46 | I'm going to sleep!!!! | |
| 02:46 | paul | good night |
| 02:46 | emiliano | what time is it in France? |
| 02:47 | paul | 10AM |
| 02:47 | ok, the address & login works fine | |
| 02:47 | (altough a little bit slow) | |
| 02:54 | emiliano | ups |
| 02:54 | paul | your night is ended ? |
| 02:54 | lol | |
| 02:54 | emiliano | should but... |
| 02:54 | send me an email | |
| 02:55 | I have forgotten to add in the last screen that should | |
| 02:55 | add some OPAC features | |
| 02:57 | paul | i don't understand what you mean |
| 02:57 | emiliano | jajajaj, could be |
| 02:57 | where? | |
| 03:00 | I have to leave Paul, pls tell me what you think by email | |
| 03:01 | paul | think of what ? |
| 03:01 | your roadmap ? | |
| 03:01 | emiliano | yes |
| 03:01 | paul | ok. |
| 03:01 | good night | |
| 03:01 | emiliano | ok, perhaps could be more generic and so on |
| 03:01 | bye | |
| 10:57 | paul | g' morning emiliano |
| 10:57 | you had a good night ? | |
| 10:57 | emiliano | jajajaja |
| 10:57 | yes! | |
| 10:58 | could you read our proposal Paul? | |
| 10:58 | paul | no, i was out |
| 10:58 | emiliano | ups |
| 10:58 | don't worry | |
| 10:58 | paul | (a customer had problems with virus...) |
| 10:58 | emiliano | ooohhh |
| 10:59 | paul | (i installed a firewall/mail server/web access 7 months ago |
| 10:59 | telling they MUST install anti-virus on the 40 windows computers. | |
| 10:59 | they didn't | |
| 10:59 | so they were infected... | |
| 10:59 | emiliano | what a headeache |
| 11:00 | paul | in fact, they tell me they installed MacAfee. But in fact, they just installed a small MacAfee soft that cleans Netsky ! |
| 11:00 | emiliano | jajajaja |
| 11:00 | paul | ;-) |
| 11:01 | emiliano | well paul, perhaps we could nt tell Koha 2.4 Roadmap |
| 11:01 | perhaps is better to tell Koha 2.4 proposal for Roadmap | |
| 11:01 | dont you think? | |
| 11:02 | paul | mmm... as you want. |
| 11:02 | emiliano | it'll be discussed next week and now sounds |
| 11:02 | paul | in fact, there are 2 solutions : |
| 11:02 | emiliano | as an imposition |
| 11:03 | paul | either you consider yourself as release manager. In this case, you say "will contain this, because i'll do it", and we add other features from ppl saying "ok, i'll do this myself" |
| 11:03 | or you consider that we are still dreaming and say "what would be nice in 2.4" ? | |
| 11:03 | emiliano | not! |
| 11:03 | most part of the things are done | |
| 11:03 | paul | not to "dream" ? |
| 11:04 | emiliano | because of this we include screenshots |
| 11:04 | paul | ok, but go a little bit further. |
| 11:04 | emiliano | but we want know |
| 11:04 | paul | WHEN do you plan to release 2.4 ? |
| 11:04 | emiliano | ah ok |
| 11:04 | paul | if it's far enough, then we could add other features. |
| 11:04 | emiliano | the things that are done if there is interest |
| 11:04 | we could deliver now | |
| 11:05 | paul | don't think just your case. Think community interest. |
| 11:05 | (intestest => wishes) | |
| 11:05 | emiliano | you're right |
| 11:05 | paul | delivering a public version means a lot of packaging & testing |
| 11:05 | that's why it's a "long" process. | |
| 11:06 | for 2.0, there was 7 versions before official 2.0.0 release | |
| 11:06 | emiliano | we could divide in features that are in test/production locally |
| 11:06 | paul | that's too much. I'll do just 1-2 for 2.2 |
| 11:06 | good idea (to divide) | |
| 11:06 | emiliano | to test if there is interest on its |
| 11:06 | paul | and remember also that your features must be MARC21 / UNIMARC / other compatible. |
| 11:07 | emiliano | yes, no problem I think |
| 11:07 | paul | consider i'll do many tests for france ;-) |
| 11:07 | emiliano | great! |
| 11:07 | paul | and i'm sure there are dozens of other ideas that will appear. |
| 11:07 | i already have some ;-) | |
| 11:07 | emiliano | jajaaja, excelent! |
| 11:07 | paul | (mmm... no, my customers have some ;-) ) |
| 11:08 | emiliano | perhaps the problem as we shown the features |
| 11:08 | paul | the release manager role is to put on the right what is a good idea, a possible idea, and has a volunteer |
| 11:08 | emiliano | is that they give the idea of closed |
| 11:08 | paul | and on the left things that are for later |
| 11:08 | emiliano | I agree |
| 11:09 | paul | for example, i've ideas to integrate a synonym dictionnary in Koha |
| 11:09 | good idea => yes. | |
| 11:09 | possible idea => not sure | |
| 11:09 | volunteer => not yet | |
| 11:09 | emiliano | yes |
| 11:10 | paul: I'm looking for a title for that "Roadmap" | |
| 11:10 | that is not a Roadmap | |
| 11:10 | paul | you're right. not yet. |
| 11:10 | emiliano | could be features to potentially add |
| 11:10 | paul | will become a roadmap later. |
| 11:10 | maybe we could speak of a "brainstorming". | |
| 11:11 | in this case, the best place is the wiki, to get a lot of ideas from a lot of people. | |
| 11:11 | then you compile ideas to a roadmap on your site. | |
| 11:11 | emiliano | but there is a little difference |
| 11:11 | this "ideas" are implemented, we wish to know if | |
| 11:12 | must be included in official version or not | |
| 11:12 | paul | i didn't saw anything that could not be included for instance. |
| 11:12 | emiliano | ok |
| 11:12 | paul | but maybe some modifs to improve versatility will be done |
| 11:12 | emiliano | great for us |
| 11:13 | paul | for example => the "suggestion" module. |
| 11:13 | it's written, OK. | |
| 11:13 | but some libraries don't want to get suggestions from the borrowers. | |
| 11:13 | so => need a systemparameter to set ON/OFF | |
| 11:13 | and modify the code accordingly | |
| 11:13 | emiliano | but could be configured from Syspar actually |
| 11:13 | yes | |
| 11:14 | paul | yes, but if I do this for MY library, i may ignore this. |
| 11:14 | emiliano | ok |
| 11:14 | paul | and it would be bad/poor |
| 11:14 | that's the release manager role too. | |
| 11:14 | emiliano | ok |
| 11:14 | paul | to help coders being better |
| 11:15 | emiliano | if you have a bit of time could you tell me by mail |
| 11:15 | what do you see | |
| 11:15 | for making more generic | |
| 11:15 | paul | ok, unless you have something to add, i'll leave to be with my family. |
| 11:15 | emiliano | ups |
| 11:15 | the ideas | |
| 11:15 | paul | ok, i'll do. And maybe i'll modify the CVS myself ;-) |
| 11:15 | that's the beauty of free software | |
| 11:15 | emiliano | great |
| 11:16 | paul | bye |
| 11:16 | emiliano | regards |
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