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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 23:54 | indradg | rach: r u online? |
| 00:05 | rach | yes |
| 00:05 | indradg | hi |
| 00:05 | rach | hi :-) |
| 00:05 | indradg | got a question for u... is the websites table linked to the Koha interface? |
| 00:06 | rach | I think so yes |
| 00:06 | indradg | ok |
| 00:06 | rach | it's if you want to use the current koha templates that you would need to use it |
| 00:06 | whereas if you are just going to display the marc using that interface, you wouldn't | |
| 00:06 | does that make sense? | |
| 00:06 | indradg | aah... i'm afraid u lost me there :( |
| 00:07 | rach | Hokay - now I should confess that I am not a programmer |
| 00:07 | so I have been known to get a bit confused myself | |
| 00:07 | indradg | i'm not a librarian... just the resident linux tech at our place |
| 00:07 | rach | but as I understand it |
| 00:07 | indradg | lol |
| 00:08 | rach | there are essentially 2 databases and interfaces running at the same time |
| 00:08 | the simplest is the original "koha" database and interface | |
| 00:08 | indradg | right... i understand that |
| 00:08 | rach | which has the "nice" displays |
| 00:08 | indradg | :) |
| 00:08 | rach | then Paul has given people the ability to actually see the MARC directly as well |
| 00:09 | and to search it | |
| 00:09 | indradg | and we are using MARC here |
| 00:09 | rach | so if you were happy to do everything in "MARC mode" (on the catalogue display side of things), you might not need to populate that table |
| 00:09 | but basically it's pretty ugly to actually display everything that way | |
| 00:10 | does that make more sense? | |
| 00:10 | using MARC is something that everyone does | |
| 00:11 | but not everyone chooses to actually *look* at the MARC | |
| 00:11 | other than to get the data into the system | |
| 00:12 | It doesn't help that the MARC view templates are broken in our version here | |
| 00:13 | indradg | i get u... believe me after from the head lib here and me no one else even wants to know abt MARC :-) |
| 00:13 | rach | lol |
| 00:13 | indradg | s/after/apart/ |
| 00:13 | rach | http://library.katipo.co.nz/cg[…]detail.pl?bib=135 |
| 00:14 | chris | im pretty sure the websties table is not for cataloguing websites, its for adding links to other |
| 00:14 | a website is just an itemtype | |
| 00:14 | indradg | u r using the vanilla template there? |
| 00:15 | chris | but the websites table allows u to associate 1 or many urls with a biblio |
| 00:15 | ie u can have a book | |
| 00:15 | and then 5 links to reviews | |
| 00:15 | of that book | |
| 00:16 | indradg | ok |
| 00:16 | chris | its a separate table so that it can handle the 1 to n relationship |
| 00:16 | rach | urg |
| 00:17 | indradg | essentially what we are looking for is not just an ILS/OPAC for books, rather we want is catalogue electronic materials we are generating as well as links to online resources |
| 00:17 | chris | right |
| 00:17 | those are just different itemtypes | |
| 00:18 | so dont need that table | |
| 00:18 | that table is for linking material about an item | |
| 00:18 | indradg | chris: howdy?? |
| 00:18 | rach | chris - on our site - http://koha.katipo.co.nz/cgi-b[…]ype=intra&bib=135 |
| 00:18 | then it's the additional web links? | |
| 00:19 | chris | thats right |
| 00:19 | its urls "about" the item | |
| 00:19 | rather than the url of the item | |
| 00:19 | rach | all righty |
| 00:19 | chris | thats the difference |
| 00:19 | does that make sense indradg? | |
| 00:19 | and howdy :) | |
| 00:20 | rach | so indradg do you know if the MARC tags you mentioned make that distinction? |
| 00:20 | or is that a useful distinction to you? | |
| 00:20 | I guess it;s like a built in "see also" | |
| 00:20 | chris | thats it rach |
| 00:21 | indradg | chris: I believe that 856u in repeatable mode cud do the same perhaps |
| 00:22 | but I haven't tried it yet with multiple entries | |
| 00:23 | chris | yeah im sure there will be a repeatable field that could do it |
| 00:23 | i dont know which one tho:-) | |
| 00:23 | indradg | and the marc_subfield_table can prolly hold it |
| 00:23 | let me just check it out right now | |
| 00:29 | urgh... it concats the URLs... | |
| 00:29 | chris | darn |
| 00:29 | indradg | http://www.wrox.com/%20|%20http://www.wrox1.com/%20|%20http://www.wrox2.com/ |
| 00:38 | chris | russ: i reran the htdig indexer and apart from it refusing to index pdfs |
| 00:39 | it worked fine | |
| 00:39 | i dont know why its not running nightly, and i dont know why it wont do pdfs anymore | |
| 00:39 | indradg | ok... apparently the Koha.marc_subfield_table is storing all the three URLs separately, *but* the Koha.biblioitems table stores it in the concated fashion :( |
| 00:40 | chris | woops wrong # :) |
| 00:40 | indradg | i was wondering :) |
| 00:41 | chris | ahh it will be because its not storing them in the right table, biblioitem only has one field for url |
| 00:42 | so if you had 3 urls (that were items) u should have 3 biblioitems | |
| 00:42 | attached to one biblio | |
| 00:42 | indradg | right-o! |
| 00:42 | but there is only one field Koha.biblioitems.url | |
| 00:43 | chris | yep |
| 00:43 | so say u were cataloguing a website that had 3 urls | |
| 00:43 | u should have 1 biblio "chris's website" and three biblioitems | |
| 00:43 | one for each url | |
| 00:44 | indradg | yep! |
| 00:44 | chris | u might also have some addiotional urls that are about the website, which would go in the other table |
| 00:44 | indradg | basically we need a 1:n relation to another table |
| 00:44 | chris | so i think the marc->koha conversion is doing it wrong |
| 00:44 | indradg | or can we just use the websites table :) |
| 00:44 | chris | yep |
| 00:45 | indradg | its designed for 1:n :D |
| 00:45 | chris | yep |
| 00:46 | :) | |
| 00:47 | indradg | been around PHP much of the time |
| 00:47 | so reading perl code is OK... but seriously hacking it is another matter :P | |
| 00:48 | chris | i feel the same about php :) |
| 00:48 | indradg | hahaha |
| 00:51 | gotta go | |
| 00:52 | rachel + chris... thanks :) | |
| 00:52 | ciao! | |
| 03:25 | rach | evening paul |
| 03:25 | paul | hi rachel |
| 03:27 | rach | have you heard any more from Pat? |
| 03:27 | paul | no. |
| 03:27 | except one | |
| 03:28 | rach | that one seeing if you want to be Kaitiaki |
| 03:28 | paul | he sended me a mail to give me the kaitiaki role |
| 03:28 | rach | yep |
| 03:28 | paul | but I don't want |
| 03:28 | rach | :-) |
| 03:28 | yep | |
| 03:28 | paul | (we already spoke of this didn't we ?) |
| 03:28 | rach | yes - but it was before you went on holiday :-) |
| 03:28 | so your mind has been wiped clean, by fresh air | |
| 03:29 | paul | lol |
| 03:29 | (i remembered speaking of this, but didn't remember with who...) | |
| 03:29 | rach | yes it was me |
| 03:29 | we are busy planning our talk and stand for the library association conference next month | |
| 03:30 | it is going to feature orange fake fur - we'll make sure we take pictures :-) | |
| 03:30 | paul | (/me remembers better when he saw someone in real life... maybe we would organize a real meeting somewhere in the world ;-) ) |
| 03:30 | feature orange fake fur ?? | |
| 03:32 | rach | yep |
| 03:32 | paul | (what does it mean ??) |
| 03:32 | rach | yes - oh it is Koha's 5th birthday on the 5th of january 2005! |
| 03:32 | the anniversary of the first day it went into production in a real library | |
| 03:33 | paul | why orange fake fur ? (i don't understand this term at all...) |
| 03:33 | rach | sorry a disconnected thought |
| 03:33 | umm - it actually is what you are imagining | |
| 03:33 | orange | |
| 03:33 | material, that looks like fur | |
| 03:33 | it is to draw people into the stand to touch it | |
| 03:34 | and all women like to touch fabric | |
| 03:34 | and then we have a story about Koha being a "small furry mamal - unlike the big dinnosour IILs systems" | |
| 03:34 | it is just something very different, to make Koha "real" - tactile | |
| 03:35 | we have been running tests here, and everyone does indeed come in to touch it | |
| 03:35 | and then you get to talk to them | |
| 03:35 | cheeper than one of those flash back drop print out things | |
| 03:37 | http://www.katipo.co.nz/soluti[…]lianza/index.html | |
| 03:43 | paul | GREAT rach |
| 03:43 | Just 1 suggestion : Koha don't work well on a machine less that 800MHz | |
| 03:43 | (due to lot of packages to compile at run time : MARC::Record & others | |
| 03:44 | ) | |
| 03:44 | so saying "486 & +" is ... a little optimistic imho | |
| 03:51 | rach | ah good call |
| 11:09 | indradg | paul: around? |
| 11:09 | paul | yes |
| 11:10 | indradg | hi |
| 11:10 | paul | hi |
| 11:10 | you have a question ? | |
| 11:10 | indradg | i wonder if u can help me out with subject based searching |
| 11:11 | paul | ask your question. |
| 11:12 | indradg | when I try to search on subject.. shud it list all the subjects which meet the criteria from the OPAC interface... right? |
| 11:14 | or am I assuming wrongly? | |
| 11:14 | paul | 1st question : 2.0 or 2.1 ? |
| 11:15 | indradg | oops! :-P |
| 11:15 | 2.0 | |
| 11:16 | paul | in the 2.1, i've rewritten a lot of things for subject search. |
| 11:16 | are you able to look inside mySQL table ? | |
| 11:17 | indradg | yes |
| 11:17 | paul | is bibliosubject filled ? |
| 11:17 | indradg | yes |
| 11:17 | paul | can I access your opac ? |
| 11:18 | indradg | aah.. no not yet... i am still on internal IP |
| 11:20 | paul | what do you see when looking at a biblio detail ? |
| 11:20 | is there some subject ? | |
| 11:25 | indradg | yes.. I can see the subject when I click on a biblio detail |
| 11:25 | paul | (stay on private chanel) |
| 11:27 | indradg | ok |
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